Low E2 from adding EQ

[Bigbroful]

Has anyone had low E2 after adding in EQ?

Currently I'm on 500mg GC test E and 600mg GC EQ every week. I haven't had bloodwork done yet. I will be having that done in a couple more weeks. It's the 5th week since adding EQ to 500mg of test. Since adding EQ sex drive is very low, I'm tired more than usual, joints are more sore than usual.

Everything has happened very gradually so I pinned 100mg TNE and 150mg ATIPP along with my normal weekly dose on Friday and things have seemed to get slightly better. I won't be adding any more extras until bloodwork in a couple weeks so I can get a more accurate E2 reading. If E2 is low like expected I'll be lowering EQ down to 400mg a week and maybe taking my test up another 100mg a week. Ill re evaluate in a couple weeks and maybe take another blood test just for E2 in another month to see the changes.

Any advice or anyone that has experienced this is more than welcome to share there story and advice to what I might be looking at.

 

[Wiseguy]

I will highly doubt at 500mg of test your E2 is low. Once you get your blood work it will be sorted out.

 

[Draig]

I’m with WG on this one.

EQ is a test derivative, not a DHT so it shouldn’t act as an AI, in fact EQ should also convert to estrogen.

Your estrogen should go up with adding EQ, not lower it.

Your blood may be hella thick though, I feel super sluggish when my blood gets too thick.



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[Ziath11]

If I run EQ higher than test then it lowers my e2 a shit ton. Blood work is obviously needed to confirm anything but either lower EQ or raise test or add something that aromatizes. Blood work should be step 1. Keep in mind everyone reacts to things differently.

 

[Wardamn]

How is sleep, recovery, nutrition, training? These can be factors to feeling rundown and sore. Pull bloods and see how they look before adding anything additional.

 

[Bigbroful]

Ok thanks for all the replies. I think I'm going on Monday to get bloodwork done so I should have a good idea what's going on by the end of the week or beginning the following week. I'll see where everything is make adjustments if necessary and get bloods drawn in another 4-6weeks.

 

[Bigbroful]

How is sleep, recovery, nutrition, training? These can be factors to feeling rundown and sore. Pull bloods and see how they look before adding anything additional.

Recovery has been good, sleep has been OK... I don't have any night sweats just the occasional night where I only sleep 4 hours and roll around until I get up. I do use a CPAP because I have severe sleep apnea. Nutrition is good but I've added more calories mostly more carbs. Training is always pretty fucking hard. I train very hard and as heavy as I can in the 8-20 rep range. I did start adding more volume so there is that.

 

[Bigbroful]

I did train today after having a off day and training was very good huge pump and very strong. Also I feel a bit better today but that might still be from the extra TNE and ATIPP aromatizing 🤷‍♂️ we will see how this week goes.

 

[Oldman85]

Derek from ‘More Plate, More Dates’ has a really extensive write up on EQ and the actions of the drug and it’s medabolites.

There are some suppositions and educated guesses happening b/c the scientific study of these substances on humans is thin.

Worth the read.

 

[mhw02580]

I've pulled bloods on a test/EQ cycle and my estrogen levels were low. I always have high estrogen levels even on TRT but EQ definitely lowered them for me, too low actually.

 

[Bigbroful]

I saw the more plates more dates thing and that's what has me questioning what's goimg on. I also aromatize pretty heavy on just trt. I've ran 300mg of only EQ and did bloodwork and my test levels showed that they were very low total was in the 30s and free was maybe 11 but my E2 was 29 so there seems to be some aromatizing going on from just the EQ. That was a ultrasensitive E2 test also.

 

[Bigbroful]

I've pulled bloods on a test/EQ cycle and my estrogen levels were low. I always have high estrogen levels even on TRT but EQ definitely lowered them for me, too low actually.

Do remember what your dose for test and eq was when you did bloodwork? And what wmyour E2 was

 

[BBruce]

I get get low E side on any dose of EQ, I do not like EQ at all.

 

[rawbuilt]

eq can lower e2

adjust your dosage

 

[ldog]

Absolutely it lowers E2 and....it gives me anxiety. It also makes me crave hay and feed

 

[Bigbroful]

Absolutely it lowers EQ and....it gives me anxiety. It also makes me crave hay and feed

It lowered EQ? lol. I will say although I don't crave hay and feed I'm fucking hungry as a horse allday everyday. It's very hard to get full.

 

[Bigbroful]

It lowered EQ? lol. I will say although I don't crave hay and feed I'm fucking hungry as a horse allday everyday. It's very hard to get full.

As far as anxiety goes I haven't had much of that at all at least not yet.

 

[ldog]

It lowered EQ? lol. I will say although I don't crave hay and feed I'm fucking hungry as a horse allday everyday. It's very hard to get full.

E2...typo.

 

[Bigbroful]

E2...typo.

I figured just busting your balls. I'll have blood lwork soon to be sure what's going on. I will say since increasing my calories mostly carbs I've been feeling better. Sometimes I forget I'm not a 185lber anymore and if you want to get from 220 to 240 it's time to strap on the feeding bag get to work. Double up on those carbs.

 

[Bigbroful]

Absolutely it lowers E2 and....it gives me anxiety. It also makes me crave hay and feed

Do you know how much test you were on and how much EQ you were on and how much it lowered E2?

 

[ldog]

Do you know how much test you were on and how much EQ you were on and how much it lowered E2?

No...I really don't remember...its been years.

 

[Bigbroful]

So I got my bloodwork back. I'll post it here soon tomorrow sometime. But my estrogen was 9 test was around 1500 so I'm lowering my EQ dose and I'll probably slightly raise my test dose. But that's wear I'm at right now.

 

[ldog]

So I got my bloodwork back. I'll post it here soon tomorrow sometime. But my estrogen was 9 test was around 1500 so I'm lowering my EQ dose and I'll probably slightly raise my test dose. But that's wear I'm at right now.

EQ will do that my brother

 

[Bigbroful]

O it sure did

 

[TotalWar]

Absolutely it lowers E2 and....it gives me anxiety. It also makes me crave hay and feed

Rofl!!!! I have delusions I am neighing and bucking with hooves when Im on it...swear to god..

 

[TotalWar]

Def lowers E2 and it affects GABA receptors which can cause anxiety for some. I get pretty bad anxiety while on it; stupid anxiety, no rhyme or reason just the feeling. Also insomnia at times. But I love the compound otherwise so it sucks. Helps me when I race other horses, I take alot of money home as my trainer/rider gives me a cut.

 

[ldog]

Def lowers E2 and it affects GABA receptors which can cause anxiety for some. I get pretty bad anxiety while on it; stupid anxiety, no rhyme or reason just the feeling. Also insomnia at times. But I love the compound otherwise so it sucks. Helps me when I race other horses, I take alot of money home as my trainer/rider gives me a cut.

lol...good stuff

 

[TotalWar]

lol...good stuff

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 was feeling loopy that day lmfao

 

[Bigbroful]

I can say after a week of no EQ and adding 50mg of TNE on top of test E around 350-400mg and 150mg NPP. Moods better recovery is better sex drive is better and energy levels are up so all in all improving.... I think I'm going to add EQ back in the beginning of next week around 200mg and keep and keep it there. More bloodwprk will be done around mid to end of June

 

[ldog]

I can say after a week of no EQ and adding 50mg of TNE on top of test E around 350-400mg and 150mg NPP. Moods better recovery is better sex drive is better and energy levels are up so all in all improving.... I think I'm going to add EQ back in the beginning of next week around 200mg and keep and keep it there. More bloodwprk will be done around mid to end of June

Keep us posted