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What’s up everyone! New member. I’m a super hard gainer. Played baseball in HS, and was a Nationaly ranked speed skater. My quads used to be EPIC! But in my late 20’s my body just went hyper skinny after I stopped training, had kids, blah blah. I’m still in the gym, but looking to get back to a nice comfy 160lbs. I’ll be posting and asking for dietary help and possible PCT pointers.
 

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Welcome to M&S man!!!

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Welcome brother. Sounds like you won't need AI's. Unless you run supper heavy. Ide recommend arganine 3 times a day. And 20g of pure cane sugar 5 times a day with creatine. To keep your insulin spiked for healthy gorowth.

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Thanks all. Great community so far. Real good discussions. 🙌
 

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Thanks Kush! I actually have a cycle of orals just kinda sitting in my office drawer as a last ditch effort. I’m reluctant to take them, but I’m desperate at this point. Paid a s**t ton of money for diet plans that failed. My gains were weak AF. I was taking in close to 10,000 calories a day with zero results. I’m see sawing between 135-140. 3 meals a day, heavy snacks, super protein, creatine, whey, and before bed a bowl of peanutbutter mixed with oatmeal. Still nothing. I was thinking of doing a quick 4 week, 50mg a day of Dbol just to kickstart some gains. Stop me if I’m wrong.
 

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Welcome to ASF. Lots of great info and people here. Read the stickies to help with your first cycle. Good luck
 

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Hey Allex.
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136lbs
3% body fat (don’t laugh please)

Bench 150 x 5
Squat 175 x 5

No deadlifts, my back is shot from skating. It’s not ruined, I’m just nervous to put too much strain on it.
 

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Thanks Kush! I actually have a cycle of orals just kinda sitting in my office drawer as a last ditch effort. I’m reluctant to take them, but I’m desperate at this point. Paid a s**t ton of money for diet plans that failed. My gains were weak AF. I was taking in close to 10,000 calories a day with zero results. I’m see sawing between 135-140. 3 meals a day, heavy snacks, super protein, creatine, whey, and before bed a bowl of peanutbutter mixed with oatmeal. Still nothing. I was thinking of doing a quick 4 week, 50mg a day of Dbol just to kickstart some gains. Stop me if I’m wrong.
If you can't gain weigjt naturally, adding Dbol wobt do much. At 136 lbs, you should have no problem adding muscle without anabolics. Post your daily diet and training.

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Hey HP. Ok here goes

7am: Large bowl of cereal, 3 hard boiled eggs, 2 pieces of toast /w butter.

10am snack: Usually 2 chicken pot pies

12pm: Red meat lunch. Usually roast beef, pork or hamburger (never fast food).

2pm snack: Tunafish right out of the bag. I’ll eat the whole 2.6oz bag and some walnuts or pistachios.

5pm whey protein shake followed by 1 hour intense workout. Then another shake.

7pm: Dinner is always chicken or fish with pasta (I’m Italian).

9pm: Bowl of oatmeal mixed with peanut butter.

10-11pm I hit the bed.
 

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Hey HP. Ok here goes

7am: Large bowl of cereal, 3 hard boiled eggs, 2 pieces of toast /w butter.

10am snack: Usually 2 chicken pot pies

12pm: Red meat lunch. Usually roast beef, pork or hamburger (never fast food).

2pm snack: Tunafish right out of the bag. I’ll eat the whole 2.6oz bag and some walnuts or pistachios.

5pm whey protein shake followed by 1 hour intense workout. Then another shake.

7pm: Dinner is always chicken or fish with pasta (I’m Italian).

9pm: Bowl of oatmeal mixed with peanut butter.

10-11pm I hit the bed.

Loose the cereal and use oats instead.

10:00 - Definately get rid of the chicken pot pies. Not a great source of protein, carbs or fat, and loaded with sodium. I would add a shake consisting of 1 cup oats, 1 cup milk or almond milk, 1 scoop whey, banana, 2 tbsp peanut butter. Thats an easy 700-800 calories.

12:00 - Add some rice or potatoes.

2:00 - 2.6 oz of tuna isnt much. Add another bag at least.

5:00 - add some carbs. My preworkout meal consists of either 1.5 cups of oats, dried cranberries, peanut butter with 1 cup pastuarized egg whites OR 90 grams of rice Chex blended with 1 scoop of whey or 1 cup egg whites

Just a few suggestions that work for me. Also, track every calorie using the app "MyPlate". Adjust calories accordingly gob you are not gaining weight.

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Hey Allex.
Currently
5 11”
136lbs
3% body fat (don’t laugh please)

Bench 150 x 5
Squat 175 x 5

No deadlifts, my back is shot from skating. It’s not ruined, I’m just nervous to put too much strain on it.

I would never laugh, we're all trying to improve.

You can (and should) put on a ton of weight naturally. 3% is quite hard to believe. I'd be interested in seeing a photo if at all possible.

Diet - Eat, eat and eat some more. Calorie dense foods, all you can eat buffet, ice cream, you name it. Just eat.
Training - MON/WED/FRI Bench, Squat, Weighted Pull-ups, Dips. 5 sets to positive failure between 8 and 12 reps.

And sleep more.

You should also do bloods. A female panel will shed a light on your thyroid function, test, e2 levels and few other things.

Don't complicate much more than this. Let us know after a month or so.
 

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Thank you HP! Awesome tips! I know the pot pies are no good for me. But they are so f’n good! It’s hard to give them up. I will absolutely take this advice. I appreciate your time bro. 😎
 

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Thanks Alex! I appreciate your help as well brother. Although pictures may not be an option for me. I have sleeves on both arms and my chest is very distinctively tatted as well. I work in a “public”
position. Can’t run the risk of being fired or worse because some jack off sees me in a roid forum. You’re just going to have to trust me here brother. My sternum is totally visible, and my arms are a joke. I have a decent horseshoe when flexing my tri’s, but unflexed I have all the mass of a teenage girl. It’s to the point that I avoid the beach and any kind of water activity completely.
 

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Thanks Alex! I appreciate your help as well brother. Although pictures may not be an option for me. I have sleeves on both arms and my chest is very distinctively tatted as well. I work in a “public”
position. Can’t run the risk of being fired or worse because some jack off sees me in a roid forum. You’re just going to have to trust me here brother. My sternum is totally visible, and my arms are a joke. I have a decent horseshoe when flexing my tri’s, but unflexed I have all the mass of a teenage girl. It’s to the point that I avoid the beach and any kind of water activity completely.

It's starting to sound like you're either severely malnourished or have some sort of illness. Either way, not the right timing to mess up with your endocrine system.

You need a good doctor on your corner.
 

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Allex. Moms a nurse, grandfather is a Dr.. If I was emaciated to the point I look sick, I’m sure they’d have me in the hospital ASAP. Blood work came back perfect last checkup 3 months ago. Just vitamin D deficient. Maybe I’m over exaggerating. Once I get to my laptop I’ll PM a picture.
 

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Allex. Moms a nurse, grandfather is a Dr.. If I was emaciated to the point I look sick, I’m sure they’d have me in the hospital ASAP. Blood work came back perfect last checkup 3 months ago. Just vitamin D deficient. Maybe I’m over exaggerating. Once I get to my laptop I’ll PM a picture.

Ok. Do they know about your plans?

Sometimes it amazes me how some people will say that you can cycle this and that and take some clomid and you'll be the same as before, only bigger.

I say BS on that most of the times. Hormone usage makes your system go crazy trying to balance things out and after a while it becomes a lifetime thing.

Will wait for the picture.
 

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was a Nationaly ranked speed skater. My quads used to be EPIC!
I predict that is the coolest thing anybody is going to post on here between now and the end of the year.
Hey Allex.
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136lbs
3% body fat (don’t laugh please)
Yeah, I am not laughing, but I am calling bullshit on the 3% bodyfat. The 136 pounds almost precludes that just as a matter of math. I will accept (a) a picture, and (b) a DXA scan as evidence.

Anyway, if you are anywhere actually close to that (even 7%), you could really blow up fast with a good diet and steroids and growth hormone. Starting from extremely low bodyfat works best for a whole host of reasons.
 

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Thanks Alex! I appreciate your help as well brother. Although pictures may not be an option for me. I have sleeves on both arms and my chest is very distinctively tatted as well. I work in a “public”
position. Can’t run the risk of being fired or worse because some jack off sees me in a roid forum. You’re just going to have to trust me here brother. My sternum is totally visible, and my arms are a joke. I have a decent horseshoe when flexing my tri’s, but unflexed I have all the mass of a teenage girl. It’s to the point that I avoid the beach and any kind of water activity completely.
Just cover over the tattoos with scribbling in edit picture. No biggie. Sheesh. :hmm:
 

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Hey HP. Ok here goes

7am: Large bowl of cereal, 3 hard boiled eggs, 2 pieces of toast /w butter.

10am snack: Usually 2 chicken pot pies

12pm: Red meat lunch. Usually roast beef, pork or hamburger (never fast food).

2pm snack: Tunafish right out of the bag. I’ll eat the whole 2.6oz bag and some walnuts or pistachios.

5pm whey protein shake followed by 1 hour intense workout. Then another shake.

7pm: Dinner is always chicken or fish with pasta (I’m Italian).

9pm: Bowl of oatmeal mixed with peanut butter.

10-11pm I hit the bed.
First, Excellent! Most folks disappear when we ask them to post their diet so that we can help. You posted it up. Good. Here are my edits to your diet.

7am: Large bowl of cereal, 3 hard boiled eggs, 2 pieces of toast /w butter. <--- Make this Quaker Old Fashioned Oats, one cup dry (two cups water), makes a big bowl. 8 eggs. No need for them to be hard boiled. Fry them in butter if you want. Make scrambled eggs and put cheese on them, hot sauce, whatever you want. Make them palatable and eat them. Two slices of toast are ok, but I prefer they be some kind of whole grain.

10am snack: Usually 2 chicken pot pies <--- No such thing as snacks for bodybuilders. Meals. Replace this with 8 oz of chicken. One cup brown rice. A veggie. Acceptable veggies are spinach, asparagus, broccoli, and similar.

12pm: Red meat lunch. Usually roast beef, pork or hamburger (never fast food). 8 ounces of meat. One cup rice. Veggies (starting to see a pattern here?) I would move this meal to one o'clock if you are having trouble getting in the meal at noon. Three hours between meals.

2pm snack: Tunafish right out of the bag. I’ll eat the whole 2.6oz bag and some walnuts or pistachios.

5pm whey protein shake followed by 1 hour intense workout. Then another shake. <--- Fuck shakes.

7pm: Dinner is always chicken or fish with pasta (I’m Italian). 8 ounces of chicken or fish. Weigh it.

9pm: Bowl of oatmeal mixed with peanut butter. <--- Bah! GET ANOTHER MEAL IN.

10-11pm I hit the bed. COTTAGE CHEESE AND PINEAPPLE IN BED with nuts. FINISH IT BEFORE YOU GO TO SLEEP.


OK, here is the deal. 8 ounces of meat. Not 2.6. Not 4. Not 6. It can be steak. It can be salmon. It can be tuna. It can be turkey. It can be chicken. Unless you have a very high income, it is mostly going to be chicken.

Four times. That's 2 pounds of meat a day.

Rice. It can be potatoes or sweet potatoes sometimes.

Veggies. Already explained above. I used to make at least one of my veggies a raw spinach salad with cheese and homemade olive oil dressing.

So four times a day = 2 pounds meat a day.

In addition, you are eating 8 eggs every morning. One egg is 7 grams of protein, so 56 grams of protein.

8 ounces of chicken is roughly 50 grams of protein.

We just got you to eat 250 grams of protein.

See how this works???

The oats and rice and potatoes and sweet potatoes will give you carbs to fuel your workouts. The veggies will keep things flowing. Some fats in yolks, olive oil, cheese, cottage cheese, etc.

You will not dick around weighing 135-140 if you eat like this. Don't cheat yourself. Prep the meals beforehand. Take them with you when you leave the house for the day. You will not eat like this if you expect to go out to lunch and buy it at a restaurant. Ain't happening.

Make the meals ahead of time. Pack them. Take them with you.
 

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Hey sorry for the delay. So, I’ve never been one to follow the rules. I upped my protein intake, and despite ALL of the educated advice you all have given me about cycling, I decided to go ahead and start a D-bol only cycle. That was 4 weeks ago. I went from 128lbs to 145lbs with no sides except for lower back pain. I constantly monitor my BP, and all is well. I got my gear from GR and checked the serial #’s to make sure it’s legit. And it is. So now I’m working on my PCT. I just wish I didn’t have so many tatts. I’d love to show my progress.
 
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