Intramuscular vs. Subcutaneous

[HighCotton]

I'm guessing this topic has been covered here already but I am curious what everyone's thoughts are on the subject. Sub Q is the method I use, I have performed both however. I gave Montego's post 'Testosterone types and delivery' from May of 21 a good read looking to garner a little more info on SubQ. I subsequently dove into the subject as found there has been a fair amount of University driven research on the subject.
(Yeah sorry, I quickly turn into a science nerd) You can go to Google Scholar & find it. The bulk of the research basically concludes that the efficacy is the same. Here's a couple example articles: Subcutaneous vs Întramuscular Testosterone Injections , Subcutaneous Injection of Testosterone Is an Effective and Preferred Alternative to Intramuscular Injection: Demonstration in Female-to-Male Transgender Patients - PubMed

Given this research result I thought why not ask the board your preferred method?

 

[Battousai]

Never subq for oils, shit hurts.

 

[Bob West]

Pinned Trt sub q for a few weeks. Didn’t like jabbing in my belly, switched back to VG.
I figure if I ever have a fucked injection and get an infection or some shit I’ld rather deal with it on the side of my ass rather than my belly

 

[NoTime2Lose]

I read one article that mentioned subq is better if you have high hematocrit. It referenced a study that claimed those on subq had lower hematocrit levels as compared to IM.

 

[zionoir626]

I've yet to try subs..
I need to really do some independent research..
Tons of scar tissue..God knows I get tired of pinning 1.5"...having to go deeper to pass scar tissue..
Perhaps another "Debate "

I need to start those up again..Anyway..
Z...

 

[Astro95]

For me it comes down to IM or SubQ, but for what? TRT? SubQ is fine. Small daily pins. Cycle/Blast 1+ grams of oil? IM.

 

[zionoir626]

Ultra Sound really helps with scar tissue..
So..some subs for TRT..whiles I work on getting that tissue healed..
Great..at the end..I figure this shit out..
LOL
Z...

 

[HighCotton]

Great discussion. Sorry I should have specified that I'm TRT 50mg every other day, (which I've been told many times thats not trt because of the dose. Fuck um, I feel 100% ). I never Sub in the abdominal area though with oil. Peptides, Yes. I sub in my upper glute & the top of my quads. Always rotate the sites. I cannot tell the difference, & I don't like blasting 200mg & cruising. I prefer the reasonably consistent level of EOD

 

[GYMnTONIC]

I prefer IM for everything. I feel it works better for me, even though some studies show HRT and oils can absorb about as well SubQ.
Even peptides, I feel I get a better result IM.

 

[Battousai]

I prefer IM for everything. I feel it works better for me, even though some studies show HRT and oils can absorb about as well SubQ.
Even peptides, I feel I get a better result IM.

is it safe to inject water based into the muscle?

 

[JD1155]

Someone told me recently

IM for anabolics and sub q for peptides

That’s how I’m rolling and enjoying it

 

[Johnnyhartly]

IM hands down

 

[Wardamn]

is it safe to inject water based into the muscle?

Yes

 

[GYMnTONIC]

is it safe to inject water based into the muscle?

Yep just recall Bac water is only sterile for 28 days.. after that you risk infection.

 

[ruffus]

I have been doing everything TRT, PEDS, HGH etc. sub-q for years with no issues. And the results seem the same from what i can tell. I do my sub-q in my thighs as it is easier and causes less problems from irritation. Larger doses or injecting quickly which disrupts tissue are things i avoid.

 

[zionoir626]

Yep just recall Bac water is only sterile for 28 days.. after that you risk infection.

Shit....
Z...

 

[ruffus]

Infection is a risk for any injectable past it's expiration date or once it has been used. One of the reasons for big pharm trying to go over to 1 ml vials of Test. I have used my bac water for way over 28 days after it was opened and have for over 15 years with no issues. But i am a risk taker by nature. I have even used UG products.

 

[Dogs_of_War]

Never subq for oils, shit hurts.

Same, I never do sub Q for oils.

 

[mackaveli23]

Ive been doing sub q and IM on and off. I prefer Sub Q & smaller more often dosages. I hate having a needle go a needle 1.5 deep sue me lol. I use the glutes/love handle area. Currently running 70mg every 5 days and feel great.

 

[Deeman]

Im for me. But im early in the game as well. Ill say this though i use 1 inch. No 1.5

 

[Doug 64]

My TRT clinic Male HRT had me doing TEST C at 30mg a day...I quickly got tired of jabbing myself 7xs a week and split it into 2xS a week. I feel the chance for infection was reduced and psychologically... no disrespect but I'm not a diabetic so why pin every day if I don't need too.

 

[lefty556]

My TRT clinic Male HRT had me doing TEST C at 30mg a day...I quickly got tired of jabbing myself 7xs a week and split it into 2xS a week. I feel the chance for infection was reduced and psychologically... no disrespect but I'm not a diabetic so why pin every day if I don't need too.

Yeah if you feel great 2x a week then no biggie. I can see maybe if someone had high e2, the more frequent injections might help.....

 

[Fletcher]

Hormones are naturally released from deep in the skeletal structure, the closer you mimic that natural release, the better.

 

[Broserker]

IM for everything besides GH for me