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I'm a fat fuck: What cycle should I be doing?

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Many of my peers have, and have always had, a slim build of which allows them to consume enormous amounts of calories; and they still have trouble putting on weight.

I'm the opposite of that. I have always been huge with a 6' 5'' 275lb frame but I'm soft af; not chewed bubblegum but definitely not known for tone......I'm girthy!

What are the ideal hormones/supplements that I should be taking?
 

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Many of my peers have, and have always had, a slim build of which allows them to consume enormous amounts of calories; and they still have trouble putting on weight.

I'm the opposite of that. I have always been huge with a 6' 5'' 275lb frame but I'm soft af; not chewed bubblegum but definitely not known for tone......I'm girthy!

What are the ideal hormones/supplements that I should be taking?

Clean diet. You can't out pin a bad diet. Period.

Good place to start:
 

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Definitely would buckle down in the kitchen and lean out first. I’m assuming you’re probably over 30% body fat. Doing a cycle would like that would be a total waste you won’t even be able to see your gains, you’ll probably just look fatter honestly. If you don’t have control of your diet now what makes you think you should throw in hormones? Need to make some lifestyle changes first IMO
 

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My brother first you need to get to the root cause of your weight gain. Full hormone panel will show your test levels, thyroid function and condition of your organs. I would not jump on any gear before doing the test. The steroids will not help with fat loss unless you have a solid diet, cardio and calorie deficit plan. As a matter of fact you might be in worst shape of you do a cycle.
Just my opinion. Best of luck to you.
 

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I know nobody wants to hear this. Diet is 95%. There are a ton of people at the gym that go 5 days a week and never change. Going to the gym is easy. Taking gear is easy. Diet 24 hours a day is the hard part to get big or lean. One thing I think that is important to mention is that steroids were developed to put more weight on feed animals while at the same time feeding them less. That being said steroids dont care what you want they will make you fat as hell just as easy as lean. The difference is what you feed them. If you are commited to diet then gear can be a game changer.
 

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Alot of people say don't get on the juice juice when your a big boy. A pork popper, dough dunker, a 747 a man with a fat shadow.

I say fuck it. Alot of that's got to be mass. Your moving all that weight. I'd try to hold on to as much muscle as I could while I was going through a cut. Let me know how things go. I'm interested. Just keep your AI dialed in and you shouldn't get Double DD's
 

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I know nobody wants to hear this. Diet is 95%. There are a ton of people at the gym that go 5 days a week and never change. Going to the gym is easy. Taking gear is easy. Diet 24 hours a day is the hard part to get big or lean. One thing I think that is important to mention is that steroids were developed to put more weight on feed animals while at the same time feeding them less. That being said steroids dont care what you want they will make you fat as hell just as easy as lean. The difference is what you feed them. If you are commited to diet then gear can be a game changer.
Well said, no better advice then this. Everyone takes the same gear. Most train hard. It's the diet that's gets you where you want to be!
 

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Diet diet diet brother. These guys have given you AMAZING advice. I definitely couldn't say it any better than they have.
 

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My brother first you need to get to the root cause of your weight gain. Full hormone panel will show your test levels, thyroid function and condition of your organs. I would not jump on any gear before doing the test. The steroids will not help with fat loss unless you have a solid diet, cardio and calorie deficit plan. As a matter of fact you might be in worst shape of you do a cycle.
Just my opinion. Best of luck to you.

This is good advice and what I encourage people everyday, you can't build a house without a blueprint. Of course diet and discipline work but if something is wrong, it will take a hell of a lot longer and be very frustrating. Treat adrenals, thyroid and then sex hormones in that order and then watch how fast it happens when the machine is working properly.
 

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Something else I wanted to add. If what I'm saying is incorrect will one of the vets correct me please.

Aromatase is the enzyme that converts test into estrogen. The fatter you are the more of this enzyme you are likely to have in your body. So if you have a lot of fat you're much more likely to have a ton of estrogen issues on a cycle and be forced to use a lot of AI.

Obviously everyone is different but this is how I understand it.
 

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Something else I wanted to add. If what I'm saying is incorrect will one of the vets correct me please.

Aromatase is the enzyme that converts test into estrogen. The fatter you are the more of this enzyme you are likely to have in your body. So if you have a lot of fat you're much more likely to have a ton of estrogen issues on a cycle and be forced to use a lot of AI.

Obviously everyone is different but this is how I understand it.
Are you arguing that fat people cannot lose fat because estrogen?
 

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Are you arguing that fat people cannot lose fat because estrogen?
Negative. I'm saying that if you're fat and ON gear that you are going to have more aromatase in your body resulting in more estrogen production requiring more AI.
 

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Fat fucks are in a high estrogen environment. A total snowball effect. Estrogen can make you fat and fat makes estrogen.
IF a fat dude is also a big converter, that’s a perfect storm. And when you are a blob, you can’t exactly see a new layer of fat forming under your rolls.

This is why people say to lose the weight BEFORE jumping on the juice.
 

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None. Lose the weight else you're wasting a blast, time, and probably will have to throw more drugs into your body to deal with the estrogen sides. You don't have infinite blasts.
 

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None. Lose the weight else you're wasting a blast, time, and probably will have to throw more drugs into your body to deal with the estrogen sides. You don't have infinite blasts.
100% agree
 

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Alot of people say don't get on the juice juice when your a big boy. A pork popper, dough dunker, a 747 a man with a fat shadow.

I say fuck it. Alot of that's got to be mass. Your moving all that weight. I'd try to hold on to as much muscle as I could while I was going through a cut. Let me know how things go. I'm interested. Just keep your AI dialed in and you shouldn't get Double DD's

But here’s my thing, if he can’t get a grip on his diet and loose weight now he’s probably going to just keep doing the same shit except while sticking a needle in his ass every week. Might see some gains might just get fatter… this shit takes discipline and I feel like it would be a waste if you’re not already demonstrating that discipline in the kitchen and the gym…especially first cycles which are just insane how much mass you can pack on.

I tinkered with the idea of juicing while being the fattest I’ve ever been. I decided not to and decided to diet and train for a few months prior and did my first cycle as a skinny twig rather than a fatty. I’ve got no regrets loosing my baby fat before did my first cycle, my gains were right there in my face. Didn’t have to look in the mirror and wonder if it’s working. I was lean (enough) and and new tissue was obvious.

Edit: I don’t give a fuck what anybody does to be totally honest. I just think the reward would be 10x greater if he pumps the brakes for a couple months and gets down to 15-20% body fat while training hard AF
 

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But here’s my thing, if he can’t get a grip on his diet and loose weight now he’s probably going to just keep doing the same shit except while sticking a needle in his ass every week. Might see some gains might just get fatter… this shit takes discipline and I feel like it would be a waste if you’re not already demonstrating that discipline in the kitchen and the gym…especially first cycles which are just insane how much mass you can pack on.

I tinkered with the idea of juicing while being the fattest I’ve ever been. I decided not to and decided to diet and train for a few months prior and did my first cycle as a skinny twig rather than a fatty. I’ve got no regrets loosing my baby fat before did my first cycle, my gains were right there in my face. Didn’t have to look in the mirror and wonder if it’s working. I was lean (enough) and and new tissue was obvious.

Edit: I don’t give a fuck what anybody does to be totally honest. I just think the reward would be 10x greater if he pumps the brakes for a couple months and gets down to 15-20% body fat while training hard AF
Your probably right. I was assuming he would be a complete 180. But I guess if you have more body fat you got there from bad habits and what not
So It would be hard to break.

I'd say only do the gear if your head is in the game complete. Like your 110% and nothing will stop you.

But if not, then a good diet is a damn good start. I see what your saying bro, and your definitely right.
 

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I’m gonna throw this out there , I also advocate for a clean bodybuilding style eating regiment like many others here . But I enjoy that. If you you want to lose weight and don’t care about bodybuilding you don’t have to have a super clean diet nor do you have to follow a bodybuilding style diet that requires you to eat several times a day to maximize protein synthesis. That type of living and eating plan does not work for everyone. You don’t have to cut everything you love to eat just to lose weight . What you need to do is learn the calories in the food your eating and make easy changes to your diet like not drinking calories in soda or juices . Drink diet soda . No calories no problem . Make better choices . You need to be more active over all. Even in Your personal life not just going to the gym. I struggled with yo-yo dieting for years all through my 20s. People get fat and stay fat because they are not active plain and simple. You need to burn calories . Every thing you do burns them. I work at a bar. When I don’t have customers I am constantly walking around the bar cleaning and looking for shit to do just to burn extra calories while I’m at work and not at the gym. I have the step tracker on my phone. I worked a double yesterday and walked 20,000 steps!! That’s on top of my cardio I do during the week and all I do is walk at like 3.0 for 20-30 mins . You have to be active to get lean and stay that way . There is no other way of you are like me and are not naturally lean. No drugs , peds , or fat burners will help you without learning how to eat in a calorie deficit . These are my opinions and personal experiences. I am no expert ! Take from this what you will.
 

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None. Lose the weight else you're wasting a blast, time, and probably will have to throw more drugs into your body to deal with the estrogen sides. You don't have infinite blasts.

I second this ! I swear to you a few days ago this same shit popped into my head . All this fucking time I feel like I wasted all my cycles . I wanted to be fucking ripped . And that was all my diet . The gear didn’t make me ripped . Now I’m off all shit and more ripped then I ever been.
 

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Being fat in most cases I have encountered go far beyond just being sedentary and overeating. The state of being fat is a behavioral flaw the leaks over into everything. I have dealt with a lot of fatties and they are THE most labor intensive of clients, requiring serious head psyrinking. Denial being at the top of that list.

My friends are a Jack Sprat sort of thing. One is skinny and her wife is pretty chubby (even post tummy tuck). Every dinner out is a big dog and pony show about carbs and calories. They both know my game and still do this every time. “I’ve been on strict keto for three years and I just can’t get thin.” Oh, ok. Maybe a normal person believes that shit but it ain’t flying with me.

I eat my prep diet (which has plenty of carbs and calories) and lose 1-2lbs consistently until I am pretty damn lean with not much fat to lose.
This is the easiest way to tell if clients are doing what you say.
 

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I know nobody wants to hear this. Diet is 95%. There are a ton of people at the gym that go 5 days a week and never change. Going to the gym is easy. Taking gear is easy. Diet 24 hours a day is the hard part to get big or lean. One thing I think that is important to mention is that steroids were developed to put more weight on feed animals while at the same time feeding them less. That being said steroids dont care what you want they will make you fat as hell just as easy as lean. The difference is what you feed them. If you are commited to diet then gear can be a game changer.
I've seen countless people at the gym over the years that never seem to charge. It's so bizarre to me. Big guts and working out with a personal trainer and yet nothing to show for it. Diet, diet, diet.
 

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Many of my peers have, and have always had, a slim build of which allows them to consume enormous amounts of calories; and they still have trouble putting on weight.

I'm the opposite of that. I have always been huge with a 6' 5'' 275lb frame but I'm soft af; not chewed bubblegum but definitely not known for tone......I'm girthy!

What are the ideal hormones/supplements that I should be taking?
Personally I would just focus on your diet for know. Get to a good place physically that way. Then throw in some gear. Just my opinion.
 

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Or never throw in gear. There is something to be said for living a fit, healthy lifestyle. For a fat fuck to want to go from sloppy, undisciplined to a bodybuilder physique is ridiculous. Wouldn’t the guy just be happy not going the Big, Tall and Fat Fuck store for clothes?

Gear, gear, gear, gear…I get this is a steroid forum but for fuck’s sake, steroids aren’t some mandatory thing every guy should be doing.
 

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Well done good sir and hopefully this clears the air regarding AAS use by those who have a higher % of body fat. I myself is a bit on the heavy side 205lbs at 5’8 and fat runs in my family as both my brothers are stocky and so was my dad. I did notice some fat loss on cycle however so that actually depends on how my body handles food and gear and training.
also take a look at good article about how to lose belly fat and some info about cycles.
 
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