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I already know you guys are doing to tear my ass off the bone for not keeping ai on hand. I should've looking back and could've prevented every bit of this. I wouldn't consider myself a beginner but I'm no expertby far. I've ran a few cycles in the past. My Blood levels have always checked out. Before starting in Nov everything looked normal. So, I went with it and didn't do routine bloods like I should've. This is the situation. Go easy on me...So, I started a cycle November of last year. I noticed around the end of December start of January that I got super sensitive around the nipples. I had just upped the dosage on test to 750mg/wk. The previous dose was 500mg/wk. For about 6 weeks and 400 mg/wk of Tren. I upped the Tren to 500mg. When I brought the Test up to 750mg/wk. I was hoping it was just a flare up due to the dosage increase. Instead of starting Nolva or using Arimidex for maintenance. I keep going and they were super sensitive and knots in each one by February. I dropped to TRT dose on Feb 1 Test only 175-200mg/wk. Dropped tren completely. They're not hurting anymore but you can still feel a slight knot and very mild sensitivity. I bought the Nolva and received it yesterday. I've never developed Gyno in the past. I've also kept Test at 500mg/wk or less. For Gyno what do you recommend dosage and duration? I read 40Mg/ daily for 2 wks then 20mg daily for 4 wks. That's all. Then next cycle use .5Mg. ARIMIDEX Daily through cycle?
 

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yeah man- if u would have had the nolva- u could have totally nipped this in the bud-(get it-nipped) Not gonna bust ur balls bro, but u should be able to get rid of MOST, if not all, w/ the doses u have posted- maybe even less.- prob. 40mg for a week, then 20 pretty much until it's gone- most guys, but not all, can get rid of it w/ this. Good Luck bro! (And I'm no expert on AI, but u prob. don't need much, if any, on 500 or less test, but it's poss- u just adjust it as needed- .5mg EOD to start- IF needed )
 

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I would do the nolvadex 40 mg a day for three weeks or letro but it’s going to suck . You will learn to always keep some nolvadex on hand . There is a thread here somewhere diy Gyno surgery.
 

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Not everyone is the same. I ran gear for over thirty years with AI and everything in place, but still about 5 years ago developed gyno. Once you have its pretty much going to be there unless you have surgery. It will shrink quiet a bit but will not all disappear. I've had surgery on both side and took them out.

Don't beat yourself up. Even pro bodybuilders with all the gear and AI and coaches sometime develop gyno. Believe it or not there are many food out there that actually causes gyno as well Offcourse not to the extent of the gear. Good luck bro.
 

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As others have said 40mg ed of nolva will help reduce it but not make it disappear.

I’ve seen a friend get rid of this using 12.5mg of Aromasin daily until its gone. But I would go the nolva route.

An important lesson to learn from this:

Always listen to your body!

Few weeks ago I was benching 315, got up to the 7th rep and felt extreme tightness in my right peck. Instead of pushing out the 8th rep, I racked it, and ended my workout. Took 2 weeks of only benching 275. And then I was back to 315 pain free. If I didnt listen to my body I could have potentially tore my peck and been out of the gym for months. Off topic story, but it relates to always listening to your body.

Any time you start a cycle you should have on hand:

AI
PCT
HCG
Viagra

I dont personally need an AI at 500mg of Test or less, but anything over 500mg I make an AI protocol based on what cycle I’m running.

On 750mg of Test and 500mg of Tren I would be using 25mg of aromasin eod


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A couple years ago I ran into the same issue(but only in one nipple) Ran 40mgs of Tamoxifen for 2 weeks then 20mgs for a few more weeks...disappeared after the first 2 weeks and hasn’t been back since.
 

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Will nipples always become sore before the growth of gyno? Is it possible to feel noting at all and then one day notice a lump? Occasionally I see the puffiness of the nipples in the mirror and think oh shit but never any soreness. I have never felt sensitive or sore at all in the nips so I don’t know what to expect really. Fear of gyno keeps me from exploring different compounds and more advanced cycles
 

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I appreciate the advice. I will keep an ai on hand at all times in the future. I realized this time through Trial and error that sometimes it's more important than the juice.
 

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As others have said 40mg ed of nolva will help reduce it but not make it disappear.

I’ve seen a friend get rid of this using 12.5mg of Aromasin daily until its gone. But I would go the nolva route.

An important lesson to learn from this:

Always listen to your body!

Few weeks ago I was benching 315, got up to the 7th rep and felt extreme tightness in my right peck. Instead of pushing out the 8th rep, I racked it, and ended my workout. Took 2 weeks of only benching 275. And then I was back to 315 pain free. If I didnt listen to my body I could have potentially tore my peck and been out of the gym for months. Off topic story, but it relates to always listening to your body.

Any time you start a cycle you should have on hand:

AI
PCT
HCG
Viagra

I dont personally need an AI at 500mg of Test or less, but anything over 500mg I make an AI protocol based on what cycle I’m running.

On 750mg of Test and 500mg of Tren I would be using 25mg of aromasin eod


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Agreed brother. For sure will listen to the body next time and order ai when I order the rest of it. I appreciate the advice and for sharing your experience with listening to the body as well. That's what the forum is about. Learning and teaching others. Hell what's to say that this won't keep someone new from blowing out something because they didn't listen. I just hope that me sharing my story keeps someone else from making the mistake I did.
 

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yeah man- if u would have had the nolva- u could have totally nipped this in the bud-(get it-nipped) Not gonna bust ur balls bro, but u should be able to get rid of MOST, if not all, w/ the doses u have posted- maybe even less.- prob. 40mg for a week, then 20 pretty much until it's gone- most guys, but not all, can get rid of it w/ this. Good Luck bro! (And I'm no expert on AI, but u prob. don't need much, if any, on 500 or less test, but it's poss- u just adjust it as needed- .5mg EOD to start- IF needed )

Thanks for the info Hot Rod. Yeah I never had a problem with the 500mg/wk test. But the jump to 750mg/wk. Messed me up. Honestly, that's why I didn't have the ai on hand. Never had a problem before. Decided to be a super star and jump up and it bit me in the ass.
 

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A couple years ago I ran into the same issue(but only in one nipple) Ran 40mgs of Tamoxifen for 2 weeks then 20mgs for a few more weeks...disappeared after the first 2 weeks and hasn’t been back since.

That's what I'm going for brother. I'm hoping for the same success rate. Thanks for the input. I posted this in hopes of others experiences. It seems like I'm about right on the Gyno protocol. I'd rather talk to people on asf than Google and get bunk information.
 

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if before, with the test alone you have had almost nothing, it is likely that the progesterone solicited by trenbolone gave you problems.


Unfortunately, AI and nolva have no impact on progesterone.
you can take winstrol which has anti-progestin properties or the only alternative is to wait and let the time pass.
the hormones will slowly return to normal


if you want it would be a good thing to do blood tests and check the current progesterone value, obviously if it has already lowered now, you will not know the value of before during the cycle.


which tren ester did you take?
 

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Well obviously you know that if you had the tamoxifen this could have been avoided, but even with that being said this can happen to even the most seasoned user.

Throughout the years I have had my issues because I'm very sensitive with gyno. I've had it dialed in for quite some time and out of nowhere last August I had two major flare-ups, I have never seen anything like it in my life and it came out of nowhere. The entire glandular duct tissue got so large that it protruded out my shirt, I targeted the one side and took care of it only for the next week the opposite side did the same thing.
It happens man, and our bodies are always changing along with our sensitivities.

You simply just learned something new with this personal science experiment. After all that's exactly what this is, each and every single one of us is our own independent experiment because we all respond differently.

This is a lesson learned and there will be more to come.
 

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I got glands removed best thing I ever did done with worrying about gyno.
 

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I got glands removed best thing I ever did done with worrying about gyno.

My Endocrinologist prescribed A-dex with my TRT. He used the blood work to prove to my insurance that I was at high risk for breast cancer. I didn't even have gyno! Got both my glands out for $150 co-pay..now I take AI just to prevent prostate cancer, I can't get gyno or breast cancer ;-)
 

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if before, with the test alone you have had almost nothing, it is likely that the progesterone solicited by trenbolone gave you problems.


Unfortunately, AI and nolva have no impact on progesterone.
you can take winstrol which has anti-progestin properties or the only alternative is to wait and let the time pass.
the hormones will slowly return to normal


if you want it would be a good thing to do blood tests and check the current progesterone value, obviously if it has already lowered now, you will not know the value of before during the cycle.


which tren ester did you take?[/QUOTE

Phill,
Trenbolone Enanthate
 

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Well obviously you know that if you had the tamoxifen this could have been avoided, but even with that being said this can happen to even the most seasoned user.

Throughout the years I have had my issues because I'm very sensitive with gyno. I've had it dialed in for quite some time and out of nowhere last August I had two major flare-ups, I have never seen anything like it in my life and it came out of nowhere. The entire glandular duct tissue got so large that it protruded out my shirt, I targeted the one side and took care of it only for the next week the opposite side did the same thing.
It happens man, and our bodies are always changing along with our sensitivities.

You simply just learned something new with this personal science experiment. After all that's exactly what this is, each and every single one of us is our own independent experiment because we all respond differently.

This is a lesson learned and there will be more to come.

Vision,
Thanks for the info, personal experience and your input. I definitely learned a new thing in this experiment called My Life. Lol.. Just making light of the situation....I definitely know what you mean though.... Regardless of trying to give myself a Breast Implant.
 
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