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To subjective, it can serve its purpose for some people. Its like anything else, you'll hear good and bad. I personally think that information and articles give people high hopes and expectations. When it doesn't deliver what people assumed, they trash it. Kind of like Drol, for decades people have read somewhere, that users can expect anywhere from 20-30lbs using drol. Certainly someone could expect that, but what others may get doesn't make that info wrong or right. I think its a great tool when someone is coming off of a recomp and increasing their macros and nutrients each week while staying clean and lean as possible.. It can assist with adding on lean gains when staying conditioned with cardio. If someone is watching the scale everyday, this drug isn't for them.. If they make there assessments gradually with what the mirror is saying, this drug could be of great help for them. my take on bold.
 

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First time using it. I am 9 weeks in at 500 a week. Stacked with Test E and Deca, along with hgh. Best cycle ever so far. Still getting big and putting on weight, but way more hard and defined. The vascularity is absolutely insane. I have not suffered from any sides yet, but I will be donating blood next week. Just my 2 cents.
 

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No anxiety?
The anxiety on this stuff is awful for me. I actually feel it almost right away. And it has a weird lingering hang Time, just about all day long.
 

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I really don't even want to try this stuff anymore. My life cannot have anxiety.
 

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You could always start at 300 and see how you feel after a free weeks. If you feel like you’re responding well, bump it to 400. I know saturation doesn’t occur until about week 8-9 but I think I read somewhere in here the onset for anxiety for some was rather fast.

You could also add in anxiety support supplements (Ashwagandha, gaba, l Theanine, various types of magnesium, cbd etc.) I’m sure a quick search would provide additional Options as well.

Or maybe just drop the compound and stick with a test only cycle. You seem to be rather stressed out about the idea of anxiety being a possibility. I find with anxiety, the anticipation of anxiety leads to additional anxiety. Just some things to think about.
 

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Just wondering why it causes anxiety? Bonds better to receptors than testosterone??
 

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You could always start at 300 and see how you feel after a free weeks. If you feel like you’re responding well, bump it to 400. I know saturation doesn’t occur until about week 8-9 but I think I read somewhere in here the onset for anxiety for some was rather fast.

You could also add in anxiety support supplements (Ashwagandha, gaba, l Theanine, various types of magnesium, cbd etc.) I’m sure a quick search would provide additional Options as well.

Or maybe just drop the compound and stick with a test only cycle. You seem to be rather stressed out about the idea of anxiety being a possibility. I find with anxiety, the anticipation of anxiety leads to additional anxiety. Just some things to think about.
Good advice right here.
 

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Found this on another board…

“Anxiety is felt to be related to GABA-ergic transmission in the brain. For some time, it has been known that some steroids, particularly boldenone (eq) and stanazolol (winny), affect GABA receptors in the brain. GABA is considered predominantly inhibitory, i.e. a “chiller”. EQ can strip the brain of its natural chillers, GABA, creating waves of panic as you experience and describe so eloquently. Some people are born without sufficient GABA-ergic transmission, predisposing them to panic attacks such as you experienced, but in the absence of any externally administered drug. If you external stress overrides your GABA-ergic transmission, you will panic. So some only develop panic after a traumatic event. You probably had sufficient GABA-ergic transmssion for everyday life, but you were closer to that critical line than you thought, so when EQ stripped your GABA, you were pushed over that edge into panic. Some people are very far from that edge, so they can take a gram or two of EQ, strip their receptors, and still have no problems. Treatment options include benzos (which directly enhance GABA-ergic transmission, but have terrible tolerance and addiction potential and are NOT recommended), antidepressants (which by influencing serotonin and norepinephrine can enhance GABA-ergic transmission or simply screen more external stress through their mechanisms), and lastly DON"T DO EQ. This last one is simplest and best of course.”
 

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Found this on another board…

“Anxiety is felt to be related to GABA-ergic transmission in the brain. For some time, it has been known that some steroids, particularly boldenone (eq) and stanazolol (winny), affect GABA receptors in the brain. GABA is considered predominantly inhibitory, i.e. a “chiller”. EQ can strip the brain of its natural chillers, GABA, creating waves of panic as you experience and describe so eloquently. Some people are born without sufficient GABA-ergic transmission, predisposing them to panic attacks such as you experienced, but in the absence of any externally administered drug. If you external stress overrides your GABA-ergic transmission, you will panic. So some only develop panic after a traumatic event. You probably had sufficient GABA-ergic transmssion for everyday life, but you were closer to that critical line than you thought, so when EQ stripped your GABA, you were pushed over that edge into panic. Some people are very far from that edge, so they can take a gram or two of EQ, strip their receptors, and still have no problems. Treatment options include benzos (which directly enhance GABA-ergic transmission, but have terrible tolerance and addiction potential and are NOT recommended), antidepressants (which by influencing serotonin and norepinephrine can enhance GABA-ergic transmission or simply screen more external stress through their mechanisms), and lastly DON"T DO EQ. This last one is simplest and best of course.”
 

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Forget it. I don't want to take the chance. I just don't do well with anxiety, anger, rage and hatred. I'm not a nice person when those feelings occur. I end up saying hurtful things. End up making a fool out of myself. I'll just take more testosterone.
 

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its a anabolic steroid of course its useful

its can used in many different ways bulking/cutting

and ive noticed it gives a unique full round look to my upper chest, traps and delts that no other compound does

also crazy vascularity
 

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ive ran it,, like others have said , you must use high doses to get good results,, i ran 850mg wk for about 3 months ,, my lifts all went up , did get a little nervus tho on it,,but @ 850mg wk wat did i expect lol,, just like when i ran 500mg of tren e ,a wk,, ,, i was a psycho but man did i look boss in the gym
 

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ive ran it,, like others have said , you must use high doses to get good results,, i ran 850mg wk for about 3 months ,, my lifts all went up , did get a little nervus tho on it,,but @ 850mg wk wat did i expect lol,, just like when i ran 500mg of tren e ,a wk,, ,, i was a psycho but man did i look boss in the gym
The anxiety on it was absolutely awful for me. The returns I got from it were always better at higher dosages, I always seem to respond better to it when my body composition was lower, but that goes for just about PED, when body compositions lower it's easier to see how things are working. I already have a decent mapping with vascularity, but overall muscle density, some added strength with improving my conditioning is what made this drug worth it, when all of this was already fine-tuned from my diet and training as it was, it was just an added bonus. If guys have a higher body composition index, this drug isn't even worth it.
 

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You can increase energy, stamina, and protein synthesis with a low dose of EQ (200mgs/every 7-10 days).
At this dose, the negatives are minimal to non-existent but the positives come through over the course of the cycle.
This dose will not produce MASSIVE sudden gains but WILL compliment the cycle and help you progress.
We have seen people who swore off EQ (based on high dose cycle experience) come to really enjoy the compound at 2-300mgs instead of the typical 600-1000mg "BB-ing" dose.

Best of luck in your journey :)
 

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You can increase energy, stamina, and protein synthesis with a low dose of EQ (200mgs/every 7-10 days).
At this dose, the negatives are minimal to non-existent but the positives come through over the course of the cycle.
This dose will not produce MASSIVE sudden gains but WILL compliment the cycle and help you progress.
We have seen people who swore off EQ (based on high dose cycle experience) come to really enjoy the compound at 2-300mgs instead of the typical 600-1000mg "BB-ing" dose.

Best of luck in your journey :)
ill have to respectfully disagree ,,in low dose i tryed ,, 300mg wk , i didnt get more energy , and stamina ,, the protein synthesis ill agree with,, for me ,, imo low dose isnt really worth it ,, i mean you dont buy a supercar to always go the speed limit do ya?
 

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ill have to respectfully disagree ,,in low dose i tryed ,, 300mg wk , i didnt get more energy , and stamina ,, the protein synthesis ill agree with,, for me ,, imo low dose isnt really worth it ,, i mean you dont buy a supercar to always go the speed limit do ya?
EQ as a complimentary compound will not BLOW YOU UP, as stated. It can be useful and everyone will respond differently.
Sharing experiences helps everyone. Thank you for contributing your experience. :)
 

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I plan on ONLY doing 500 mgs per week alongside 350 per week of test prop, 350 per week of mast prop, tesamorelin 300mcg per day, 250 hcg per day, 25mg proviron per day and 20 to 30 mgs of halo pre-workout.
 

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I plan on ONLY doing 500 mgs per week alongside 350 per week of test prop, 350 per week of mast prop, tesamorelin 300mcg per day, 250 hcg per day, 25mg proviron per day and 20 to 30 mgs of halo pre-workout.
Man that's a nice conditioning, recomp, aesthetic cycle right there..
 

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Good info! I didn’t know anything about it and it was on the radar to try after researching. I’ll avoid the high risk it seems to have towards bad anxiety. Too many other good options.

Thank for post.
 

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Everyone experiences anxiety in a very different way. Just wondering what kind of anxiety symptoms should I be looking for if I were to do EQ.
 

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Everyone experiences anxiety in a very different way. Just wondering what kind of anxiety symptoms should I be looking for if I were to do EQ.
I think this is a rather difficult question to answer, as you said, anxiety seems to affect individuals differently. With that said, I would imagine things that normally cause anxiety for each of us would be amplified. You seem like youre very stressed out about using this compound, I would scrap it and just go with something else.

I just started a run with test 600mg and eq 400mg. I’m also using injectable superdrol pre workout @ 10 mg 4 or 5 times per week. Im doing my 4th test/eq injection tomorrow. I’m not feeling much at this point. I’m lethargic from the superdrol, but that’s to be expected. I can’t seem to stay hydrated no matter how much I drink. My Joints and tendons are a bit painful at the moment as well. I haven’t experienced any anxiety though - honestly, psychologically and emotionally, I feel great.
 

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Everyone experiences anxiety in a very different way. Just wondering what kind of anxiety symptoms should I be looking for if I were to do EQ.
Its not something that everyone experiences. I would not assume just that your cycling EQ you'll have anxiety....its an individualistic reaction. I have ran EQ up to 100mg/wk with no problems.
 
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