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Can I avoid HCG? First cycle at 39.

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I will be starting my first cycle at the age of 39, soon. Test E 250 twice per week for 10 weeks. For PCT I got Nolvadex although I know many use clomid as well, but I hear just one of them will do, most of the time. I realize hcg is quite popular during cycle, to prevent testicular atrophy and, as some say to help jumpstart PCT. Based on your experience or research or both, just how important do you think hcg is during a cycle? Does age matter? Any advice, especially from people around my age who have experience, will be greatly appreciated. I am 39yo, 1.89cm and 91kg. Working out intesevely for the past 4 years, steady 4 day per week and try to eat as clean as my schedule allows. Thanks in advance.
 

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I will be starting my first cycle at the age of 39, soon. Test E 250 twice per week for 10 weeks. For PCT I got Nolvadex although I know many use clomid as well, but I hear just one of them will do, most of the time. I realize hcg is quite popular during cycle, to prevent testicular atrophy and, as some say to help jumpstart PCT. Based on your experience or research or both, just how important do you think hcg is during a cycle? Does age matter? Any advice, especially from people around my age who have experience, will be greatly appreciated. I am 39yo, 1.89cm and 91kg. Working out intesevely for the past 4 years, steady 4 day per week and try to eat as clean as my schedule allows. Thanks in advance.

I run HCG for PCT. Not during. There’s no point really, although some people do. I asked my doc about it and he said the same thing. It basically has no benefit during cycle, but helps normalize you post cycle. For 10 weeks you could probably get away with not running it, but your post cycle recovery will be better with it. I always run it post, and my levels always stabilize after several weeks. Run HCG, and nolva or clomid and you’ll be good to go.


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Clomid is better than nolva at kickstarting the HPTA. There's a reason doctors use it for hypogonadism and infertility
 

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I run HCG for PCT. Not during. There’s no point really, although some people do. I asked my doc about it and he said the same thing. It basically has no benefit during cycle, but helps normalize you post cycle. For 10 weeks you could probably get away with not running it, but your post cycle recovery will be better with it. I always run it post, and my levels always stabilize after several weeks. Run HCG, and nolva or clomid and you’ll be good to go.


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Thanks! At which point post cycle do you use it and for how long?
 

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I run HCG from start to finish...you don't really have to during, but some of us don't like atrophy. Depends on your AAS lifestyle IMHO.



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Thanks! At which point post cycle do you use it and for how long?

I start 2 weeks after last injection. Run HCG ed @ 1000iu, or eod @ 2000iu. Run that for 2-3 weeks depending on cycle length. After my HCG, I start clomid. Usually 100mg ed for the first few days (5-7), then 50mg every day for a couple weeks. Total PCT is 4-6 weeks for me. Longer cycles = longer PCT.

That’s what works for me. Different people may have different protocol, but it should be similar dosing/lengths.


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HCG mimics LH and so shuts the pituitary down while taking.
 

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HCG mimics LH and so shuts the pituitary down while taking.

So can too much of it cause further shutdown instead of helping the body get back to natural production?
 

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So can too much of it cause further shutdown instead of helping the body get back to natural production?

If you run it with nolva and clomid yes it will delay recovery. Should run it last 2 weeks of cycle and for 1-2 weeks after cycle before starting clomid and nolva. Should take a little AI while using too.
 

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I run HCG for PCT. Not during. There’s no point really, although some people do. I asked my doc about it and he said the same thing. It basically has no benefit during cycle, but helps normalize you post cycle. For 10 weeks you could probably get away with not running it, but your post cycle recovery will be better with it. I always run it post, and my levels always stabilize after several weeks. Run HCG, and nolva or clomid and you’ll be good to go.


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Hcg is supressive and should not be ran during pct. Either run it during cycle or blast heavy at the end right up to pct but do not run hcg during pct. Pct should consist of tamoxifen and clomid for 4 to 6 weeks. I personally do not run hcg and I recover great every time. Research and make the decision for yourself. Always research what you want to do never just take anyone's advice. Ask a question you Will get 7 different opinions.

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Can someone please recommend a good and light hcg for me? I go off my first cycle in 1 week after 8 weeks of taking 500 mg testosterone a week. Got some clomid but would like to know what hcg to get. Thanks everyone
 

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skip the HCG, its your first cycle and you are over complicating it.
 

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skip the HCG, its your first cycle and you are over complicating it.

I was actually thinking the same while I was posting this threat. But I wanted to hear what opinions are out there from the more experienced. Still doing a bit of research on it. The only reason I am considering is my age. Being almost 40 I quess recovery may need a push, more than if I was 30. So far what I’m tending to realize is that if taken, then hcg should not be taken during pct with clomid and/or nolvadex, but rather during the days leading up to pct after your last pin. Some also run it during the last weeks of cycle.
 

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I was actually thinking the same while I was posting this threat. But I wanted to hear what opinions are out there from the more experienced. Still doing a bit of research on it. The only reason I am considering is my age. Being almost 40 I quess recovery may need a push, more than if I was 30. So far what I’m tending to realize is that if taken, then hcg should not be taken during pct with clomid and/or nolvadex, but rather during the days leading up to pct after your last pin. Some also run it during the last weeks of cycle.
have you got bloodwork done? you should just see a doctor and get on TRT at your age you may be ready for it
 

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Don’t take hcg during pct. as a matter of fact don’t take it at all this run. 500mg of test pw will shut you down pretty hard by the end of week 10. If it’s your 1st cycle you should bounce back pretty good. Remember you are almost 40 though, so your natty base line test levels aren’t what they were 10 years ago anyway. Remember it raises your e2 pretty good.

Always remember the least of any of this stuff the better. Go slow at first. Being your first run, 500mg will get you pretty jacked by week 8 or so. You should feel 500mg almost immediately but won’t see much in the way of results in the first three weeks or so. Watch for moodiness. Don’t lose your job and your wife/ girlfriend 😂. Androgenic boost is great in the gym and every day life, but there’s a fine line between a great sense of well-being and being an aggressive ahole. I’m 48 btw and just a few friendly words of advice from a two decade juicer. Moderation. Slow and go on the gains and the doses are wise. You aren’t going for mr O in this lifetime.

One more thing. Your first run should be one compound. Test. It’s all you need starting. Mine was 250 sustenon every 5 days or so and I gained ten pounds or more of solid muscle in 10 weeks. Had about five years of training under my belt. My body transformed well.

Happy lifting. These next ten weeks will be the happiest youve ever been in the gym. 500mg is more than your body has produced on its own over the last year.
 

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Btw, talking to your doctor is a waist of time and money. When it comes to juice, the lawmakers have scheduled it a II I believe and they aren’t worth a dam when it comes to knowing anything. The juice heads in these forums online know way more about this topic, and where you will learn more than most doctors will ever know about juice. It’s taboo to them and they are so restricted legally and so scared of being sued they might offer you 50mg a week and only after blood work shows a medical need. If you do go that route tell him what you want your doses to be up front the first visit. There’s only one doctor that I know of who is a wizard and has all the old school knowledge. I’ll post a YouTube link to one of his videos. Blood work is about all most of them are good for on this subject.
 

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With no hcg and only nolva for pct at 39 years old you’ll need trt for sure after this lol
 

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https://youtu.be/ciGILrMOeCc.

This dr has done years of research, trials and error and has seen many a blood work. Watch his vids and feed on his knowledge.

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I was going to blast you as I find 90-95% of YouTube videos are bullshit-LOL!

But, this happens to be a doctor at my TRT clinic and based on what I know and have read he is spot on with his opinions on AAS, dosages, health risks and life expectancy.

I agree with 100% of what he says.

I might steal this video from you some day to make my point :)
 

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And as far as avoiding HCG, why would you?

Being on exogenous hormones will shutdown your sperm production, making orgasms less intense while using AAS.
 

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I was going to blast you as I find 90-95% of YouTube videos are bullshit-LOL!

But, this happens to be a doctor at my TRT clinic and based on what I know and have read he is spot on with his opinions on AAS, dosages, health risks and life expectancy.

I agree with 100% of what he says.

I might steal this video from you some day to make my point :)


Nothing bs about this dr. Glad you like his videos. He talks about the few studies that are actually out there that speak on the side effects of aas and what would be considered somewhat benign. He’s got more videos on YouTube. Feel blessed if you get an appointment with him.
 

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And as far as avoiding HCG, why would you?

Being on exogenous hormones will shutdown your sperm production, making orgasms less intense while using AAS.


My school of thought on this particular case is that yes he’s 39, but it’s his first cycle so make it simple and just take one item to see how his body reacts so he can gauge what test does to him. Hcg will raise e2 and if he’s predisposed to gyno why risk a double whammy. So he’s throwing an anti e after the hcg now. Just too many compounds for a first run. Keep it simple.

Me personally, I don’t do pct because I’ve been on test for a long time. Yes I run hcg at 250ui twice per week. I agree with the idea of hcg while on to keep your nads in the loop. Totally agree. I’ve been running it along side test for years.
 
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