Bulking Cycle - Classic

[massthetics]

Added some things to my cycle plus minor tweaks. I know Deca causes pretty bad natural test production shutdown so let me know what to do with this PCT if anything. thanks. Cycle:

TestProp @ 100mg/eod (weeks 1-6)
Test-E@ 750mg/wk (weeks 1-16)
Deca @ 600mg/wk (weeks 1-15)
EQ@ 600mg/wk (weeks 1-15)
Caber @ 2mg(2tabs/wk) (weeks 5-15)
Aromasin@ 10mg/day (weeks 1-17)
*HCG@ 1000iu/wk (weeks 7-17)
D-Bol@ 50mg/day (weeks 12-17)

*PCT:
Aromasin @ 20/20/10/10 (weeks 18-22)
Clomid@ 100/100/50/50 (weeks 18-22)


**I will start my PCT after my last pins of both Test-E and EQ (2 weeks after TestE, 3 weeks after EQ)
*I will run HCG all the way up until I start PCT, including while esters clear.

 

[mours2]

1.5 grams of test for the first 6 weeks should do the tricky

 

[BlueJayMuscle]

Any stats?

age? height? weight? training history? AAS history?

In my opinion, that's an excessively long blast with no cruise..

 

[Mentos]

My first cycle was 6 weeks. And i did gain 16kg's
Why do you mix eq and deca ? I not say its wrong im just curious

 

[massthetics]

25 been lifting for 9 years and this will be my third run with aas. I've done plenty of research and I realize gains may taper off. I am using the EQ for quality gains and hunger promotion. Using Deca for its highly anabolic properties and obviously test e is my base compound. The collagen promotion and bone density from Deca a plus for heavy lifting throughout. Test will help counteract libido shutdown from deca. If you have suggestions I'm open to them.


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[massthetics]

I'm 5'9 and 200 lbs. goal is 230+. Looking to maximize bulk gains and retain them as well.


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[massthetics]

Can get my hands on mast e and primo too so maybe sub one of those for the EQ instead? Anybody w experience w triple stacks?


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[massthetics]

Alright I am just switching things up again with this one. Far as I can tell my AI and Caber should be enough to prevent sides if I do this combo. I'm aware of the sides for progesterone and the fact that tren and deca are both 19-nors, just to clarify. But this is actually cheaper to do Test E, Deca and Tren E than it would be for Test E, Deca, and EQ.. Just give it a look and tell me what you guys think: Cycle:

TestProp @ 100mg/eod (weeks 1-6)
Test-E@ 750mg/wk (weeks 1-12)
**Test-E @ 1000 mg (weeks 1-16)**
Deca @ 400mg/wk (weeks 1-16)
TrenE @ 400mg/wk (weeks 1-16)
Caber @ 1mg/wk (weeks 6-16)
Aromasin@ 10mg/day (weeks 1-16)
*HCG@ 1000iu/wk (weeks 7-17)
D-Bol@ 50mg/day (weeks 10-16)

*PCT:

Aromasin @ 20/20/10/10 (weeks 18-22)
Clomid@ 100/100/50/50 (weeks 18-22)

 

[sardis23]

Why don't you kickstart with dbol instead of throwing it at the end of your cycle? Also there is no reason to run aromasin during pct, but you might want to run nova with the clomid.

 

[massthetics]

Had dbol that way because the gains tend to taper off after so long of blasting, but since i upped the test dosage at week 12-16, i guess i could use prop and dbol as double kicker. From what I hear nolva is bad for 19-nor compounds as it can exacerbate the progestin-related sides upon halting deca usage. Granted it was forum research based, not official documentation. So take w grain of salt.


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[massthetics]

I hear two 19-nors can cause probs too so might just do like 750 mg test e wks 1-12 and 1000 mg wks 12-16 w 600mg deca wks 1-16 and thats it. The pct was developed based on tip from another thread and nolva does have it's downsides.. As popular as it is.


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[massthetics]

Alright.. this is pretty much my final decision for this cycle as far as everything goes for the key components. I'm hearing mixed signals on running my AI throughout PCT, so if someone could clear that up that'd be cool.. here she is:
Cycle:

D-Bol@50mg/day (weeks 1-6)
TestProp @ 100mg/eod (weeks 1-6)
Test-E@ 750mg/wk (weeks 1-12) & 1000 mg/wk (weeks 1-16)**
Deca @ 600mg/wk (weeks 1-16)
Aromasin @ 10mg/day (weeks 1-16)
Caber @ 1mg/wk (weeks 7-17)
*HCG @ 1000iu/wk (weeks 7-17)






*PCT:

Aromasin @ 10/10/10/10/10 (weeks 18-23)
Clomid@ 50/50/50/50/50 (weeks 18-23)
Nolva @ 20/20/20/20/20 (weeks 18-23)

*will have some caber left over if any progesterone related sides come upduring PCT

 

[Makeitmethylated317]

Run AI with PCT some say its the wrong way but you will still be aromatizing some. I would Run caber to week 19 at least since deca is such a long ester.

Just how I would do things

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[theCaptn']

I would drop the deca to 400mg - any higher tends to increase sides over any additional gains (but that's me).

Test wise increase dose at week 8 and 12.

 

[BlueJayMuscle]

I would drop the deca to 400mg - any higher tends to increase sides over any additional gains (but that's me).

Test wise increase dose at week 8 and 12.

This!!

 

[massthetics]

Okay so drop to 400 and how do you think i should increase test? 750, 1000, 1250? Hows that? What about my PCT, solid?


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[massthetics]

I have enough caber to run through pct.. Recommended?


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[massthetics]

Updated Cycle:

D-Bol@ 50mg/day (weeks 1-6)
TestProp@ 100mg/eod (weeks 1-6)


Test-E@
750mg/wk (weeks 1-8)
1000 mg/wk (weeks 9-12)
1250 mg/wk (weeks 13-16)

Deca@
400mg/wk (weeks 1-12)
600mg/wk (weeks 13-16)


Aromasin@ 10mg/day (weeks 1-17)
Caber@ 1mg/wk (weeks 7-17)
HCG@ 1000iu/wk (weeks 7-17)


*PCT:
Aromasin@ 10/10/10/10/10 (weeks 18-23)
Clomid@ 50/50/50/50/50 (weeks 18-23)

 

[tony56]

Have you ever ran tren before? To me there is nothing like it. If you haven't ran tren ace in the past to see how you respond to it I wouldn't recommend jumping strait into tren e. But if you have and you handle tren ok I would go with the tren cycle. But you could always save it for cutting later on. I don't run a cycle without it. Bulking or cutting.

 

[tony56]

If you are doing the last cycle you have posted, I would raise the test e on week seven as soon as you drop the prop instead of waiting till week eight. Just my opinion. Also there's nothing wrong with throwing in a little eq in the mix. If you're bulking it will help with your appetite. It makes me want to eat everything I see.

 

[massthetics]

peep dis tony56: -Cycle:

D-Bol @ 50mg/day (weeks 1-6)
*need 210 tabs
TestProp @ 100mg/eod (weeks 1-6)
*need 21 ml


Test-E @
750mg/wk (weeks 1-6)
1000 mg/wk (weeks 7-12)
1250 mg/wk (weeks 13-16)
*need 62 ml total

Deca @
400mg/wk (weeks 1-15)
*need 30 ml

-Support:
Aromasin @ 10mg/day (weeks 1-23)
Caber@ 1mg/wk (weeks 7-23 prn)
HCG@ 1000iu/wk (weeks 7-23 prn)

-PCT:
Clomid@ 50/50/50/50/50 (weeks 18-23)
Nolva@ 20/20/20/20/20 (weeks 18-23)

 

[tony56]

Nice looking cycle bro.

 

[massthetics]

also ordering a jug of TNE before I start for pre-workout purposes. Who needs stims when there is just unbound test to be had?

 

[Makeitmethylated317]

also ordering a jug of TNE before I start for pre-workout purposes. Who needs stims when there is just unbound test to be had?

I got TNE/dbol might try it on upcoming bulk

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[theCaptn']

also ordering a jug of TNE before I start for pre-workout purposes. Who needs stims when there is just unbound test to be had?

... Ideas ideas....

 

[massthetics]

yeah TNE looks pretty sweet for pre-w/o. updated cycle, giving myself a 2 week gap between last pin of test-e and PCT, and 3 weeks between last pin of deca and PCT, since it will prob take that long for my big doses of test to clear. considering extending to 3 weeks.. here ya go: Cycle:

D-Bol @ 50mg/day (weeks 1-6)
*need 210 tabs


TestProp @ 100mg/eod (weeks 1-6)
*need 21 ml


Test-E@
750mg/wk (weeks 1-6)
1000 mg/wk (weeks 7-12)
1250 mg/wk (weeks 13-16)
*need 62 ml total

Deca@
400mg/wk (weeks 1-15)
*need 30 ml

-Support:
Aromasin@
10mg/day (weeks 1-12)
20mg/day (weeks 13-16)
10mg/day (weeks 17-24)


Caber@ 1mg/wk (weeks 8-18)
HCG@ 1000iu/wk (weeks 8-18)

-PCT:
Clomid@ 50/50/50/50/50 (weeks 19-23)
Nolva@ 20/20/20/20/20 (weeks 19-23)

*will have some caber left over if anyprogesterone related sides come up during PCT

 

[tony56]

also ordering a jug of TNE before I start for pre-workout purposes. Who needs stims when there is just unbound test to be had?

I love tne.

 

[massthetics]

I hear good things about the TNE/dbol/drol blend (100/25/25) Even vets say 1ml is all it takes.

 

[theCaptn']

I hear good things about the TNE/dbol/drol blend (100/25/25) Even vets say 1ml is all it takes.

That's an insane preWO stack loaded into 1ml

 

[heymrwaters]

I hear good things about the TNE/dbol/drol blend (100/25/25) Even vets say 1ml is all it takes.

NEVER felt the need to go over 1ml. Of course I slin pinned it (1ml barrel) but still......didn't feel the need to up it anymore than that lol


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