Beginner cycle log: test cyp and anavar

[Nsimoy]

First cycle started yesterday! I’ve been wanting to do this since I started lifting 20 years ago so to say I’m excited would be a massive understatement.

37 yo
5’8” 158lbs
10% bf

Ultimate life goal is to be a lean 175 (+15 to 20lbs). Strength gain not as important, just for aesthetic reasons.

3200 calories CLEAN
Protein/carbs/fat: 30/45/25

PPL routine, 6 on 1 off (or 3 on 1 off depending on my HRV recovery)

Pre cycle blood work done. Will post that soon. With before pic.

Week 1-12:
-test cyp @ 300mg/week split in two 150mg doses. Possibly increase to 400mg/week in week 5 after additional blood work.
-Arimidex .5mg EOD
-HCG 500iu 2x/week starting week 5

Week 7-12:
-anavar 50mg daily, pending good blood panel. Might leave this out but we’ll see.

PCT (starting 10 days after last injection)
-clomid 50/50/25/25
-arimidex 1/1/1/1
-HCG 500iu 2x/wk

Also taking tudca, nac, liv.52, and pretty much every other recommended cycle support supplement for liver, heart, kidneys, etc.

I’ll try to update this log weekly if not more often. Feedback? Anything other info I should add here?

 

[Wiseguy]

Like it and looks like you know exactly what you want. Only couple of things I would drop is the Arimidex and HCG. I have three kids, been on gear for over 3 decades and never needed HCG. AI's are very harsh. At 300mg of test you don't need it.

Anyway just my recommendation. Best of luck to you.

ps I am very impressed that you are starting your test at 300 and not the so called standard out there 500mg. Good for you.

 

[Battousai]

Like it and looks like you know exactly what you want. Only couple of things I would drop is the Arimidex and HCG. I have three kids, been on gear for over 3 decades and never needed HCG. AI's are very harsh. At 300mg of test you don't need it.

Anyway just my recommendation. Best of luck to you.

ps I am very impressed that you are starting your test at 300 and not the so called standard out there 500mg. Good for you.

How much test are you generally on weekly?

 

[Wiseguy]

How much test are you generally on weekly?

200 to 300 mg. This mind set of you need huge amounts of gear to grow is non sense.

 

[Draig]

Great first cycle, seemed to do your research!

The only tweak I would make is drop the hcg/ai as previously mentioned, but add Proviron.

I started using Proviron for my cycles during this last one, and I wouldn’t go without.


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[Nsimoy]

Like it and looks like you know exactly what you want. Only couple of things I would drop is the Arimidex and HCG. I have three kids, been on gear for over 3 decades and never needed HCG. AI's are very harsh. At 300mg of test you don't need it.

Anyway just my recommendation. Best of luck to you.

ps I am very impressed that you are starting your test at 300 and not the so called standard out there 500mg. Good for you.

Ok interesting. I guess I’ll just keep the Arimidex on hand and see how my mid cycle blood comes back or if I’m seeing high e sides.

As for the HCG, I get that it’s not necessary but I would like to keep my balls working, and I haven’t really heard of any downsides to taking it unless I’m missing something.

Thanks for the feedback btw, I appreciate it.

 

[zionoir626]

Wise is on point...as always..
HOWEVER...
If you stick to 300..next cycle Needs to be Test above 500mgs..
300 no AI is most likely needed, but at 500,that may change..
If you Don't know at what dose you need an AI on Test Don't add anything Yet..
Z...

 

[Nsimoy]

Wise is on point...as always..
HOWEVER...
If you stick to 300..next cycle Needs to be Test above 500mgs..
300 no AI is most likely needed, but at 500,that may change..
If you Don't know at what dose you need an AI on Test Don't add anything Yet..
Z...

Cool yeah that makes sense

 

[Astro95]

I’d swap the arimidex on your pct for nolvadex 40/40/20/20 you’ll crash your estrogen running 1mg arimidex for 4 weeks whilst pinning nothing. Don’t see the point of it being in your Pct protocol, because of the Hcg? Some use that much Ai while on 500mgs of test, some don’t even need it at that much test. Unsure why nobody brought this up.

 

[Astro95]

Ok interesting. I guess I’ll just keep the Arimidex on hand and see how my mid cycle blood comes back or if I’m seeing high e sides.

As for the HCG, I get that it’s not necessary but I would like to keep my balls working, and I haven’t really heard of any downsides to taking it unless I’m missing something.

Thanks for the feedback btw, I appreciate it.

HCG can raise your estrogen, reason most don’t run it while on cycle. I say it’s fine as long as you keep an eye on your estrogen throughout and under control. You may not need an Ai with 300mg of test, but with both test and Hcg you might. Only bloodwork mid cycle will tell.

 

[Draig]

HCG can raise your estrogen, reason most don’t run it while on cycle. I say it’s fine as long as you keep an eye on your estrogen throughout and under control. You may not need an Ai with 300mg of test, but with both test and Hcg you might. Only bloodwork mid cycle will tell.

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[Boykinben82]

I like the test around 400 for me, even now. I only go over if I’m gonna do a heavy bulk with dbol. But I would drop the Anavar on the first cycle. Work on getting those good test gains and figuring out how it effects you solo. That’s my opinion!

 

[Nsimoy]

HCG can raise your estrogen, reason most don’t run it while on cycle. I say it’s fine as long as you keep an eye on your estrogen throughout and under control. You may not need an Ai with 300mg of test, but with both test and Hcg you might. Only bloodwork mid cycle will tell.

This is helpful, thanks

 

[Nsimoy]

I like the test around 400 for me, even now. I only go over if I’m gonna do a heavy bulk with dbol. But I would drop the Anavar on the first cycle. Work on getting those good test gains and figuring out how it effects you solo. That’s my opinion!

I appreciate that and the logic makes sense. The var will be a game time decision. Good chance I’ll save it for my 2nd cycle.

 

[Boykinben82]

I appreciate that and the logic makes sense. The var will be a game time decision. Good chance I’ll save it for my 2nd cycle.

I think you would getter better use of it that way. Tbh

 

[zionoir626]

You'd be amazed at what can be gained with two or 3 compounds..
BUT...
Until you know how YOU react, it's guessing..
Z...

 

[Nsimoy]

I can't figure out how to edit my original post to add blood work and before photo so here they are.

 

[Astro95]

I can't figure out how to edit my original post to add blood work and before photo so here they are.

Looking good. You should make good progress on this cycle. Just stay on top of estro. Don’t crash it either. Good luck

 

[zionoir626]

Take it nice and easy...learn everything you can on Nutrition and proper form..
Three Equal Parts...
Training, Nutrition and Rest/Recovery
Doubling up on one, results in slow gains or None at All...
Gear just gives you that added bump, not the Whole Cake..

With two or 3 yrs...
Of hard work and sweat and blood..
The Body you desire..
Z...

 

[Wiseguy]

Very nice. You are going to be so happy with the results. You have an excellent base.

Congratulations. By the way this has to be my favorite all time beginner post and cycle.

You are not going in with crazy amount of gear. Blood work, great condition to start week, everything looks great.

Well done brother

 

[Nsimoy]

Very nice. You are going to be so happy with the results. You have an excellent base.

Congratulations. By the way this has to be my favorite all time beginner post and cycle.

You are not going in with crazy amount of gear. Blood work, great condition to start week, everything looks great.

Well done brother

Thank you. I’m going to crush it.

 

[Wiseguy]

Thank you. I’m going to crush it.

I have no doubt that you will. Along the way if you have any questions hit me up. I will be happy to help.

 

[Matt88]

Awesome progress thus far!

I definitely would not run armidex like that in your pct. You will feel like absolute shit and will likely have constant joint pain. Crashed estrogen even makes my spine hurt. It's terrible.

Would definitely wait and see if you need armidex on cycle before you add it in as well. I don't use armidex anymore. I despise it now. I switched to aromasin and haven't looked back.

 

[Nsimoy]

I have no doubt that you will. Along the way if you have any questions hit me up. I will be happy to help.

I appreciate that and will definitely take you up on it.

 

[Nsimoy]

2nd pin of test today. Felt a little more confident with it this time. Today was a rest day other than 20 min bike. Still got in my calories.

Was just looking at my blood work again and was wondering..

Considering my natural estradiol level is already on the high side (34) I’m sort of expecting some high e sides at some point probably on the earlier side.

If I were to start getting puffy nips at some point what’s the best course of action? Start on the ai at that point? Would running Nolva for a short period on cycle be an option or no?

 

[Wiseguy]

2nd pin of test today. Felt a little more confident with it this time. Today was a rest day other than 20 min bike. Still got in my calories.

Was just looking at my blood work again and was wondering..

Considering my natural estradiol level is already on the high side (34) I’m sort of expecting some high e sides at some point probably on the earlier side.

If I were to start getting puffy nips at some point what’s the best course of action? Start on the ai at that point? Would running Nolva for a short period on cycle be an option or no?

Everything is an option but E2 has to be pretty high for you to possibly get gyno. I doubt it with this dosage. Best course of action is blood work. Forget feelings. Sometimes when people are too worried about something start feeling stuff.

Let me put it this way. From my personal experience after 3 decades on gear I rarely use AI and the only time I did was because my blood work said so.

 

[zionoir626]

Everything is an option but E2 has to be pretty high for you to possibly get gyno. I doubt it with this dosage. Best course of action is blood work. Forget feelings. Sometimes when people are too worried about something start feeling stuff.

Let me put it this way. From my personal experience after 3 decades on gear I rarely use AI and the only time I did was because my blood work said so.

Now let me add...
Wise knows his body and after 30+ yrs of gear, he's smart..
Listening to guys like him, will definitely help..
But...
Time and trial by Fire , are the best teachers..slow and easy..and tons of Research...
Enjoy the Ride..
Z...

 

[Nsimoy]

Everything is an option but E2 has to be pretty high for you to possibly get gyno. I doubt it with this dosage. Best course of action is blood work. Forget feelings. Sometimes when people are too worried about something start feeling stuff.

Let me put it this way. From my personal experience after 3 decades on gear I rarely use AI and the only time I did was because my blood work said so.

This is helpful, thank you

 

[zionoir626]

Have you thought of using a coach..??
It could help avoid beginners errors..
Money well spent..
Z...

 

[Nsimoy]

Have you thought of using a coach..??
It could help avoid beginners errors..
Money well spent..
Z...

Haven’t really thought about it/didn’t know that was an option tbh