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Are you an Addict??

Deezo said:
Then we call it body dysmorphia, right?
Same as an alcoholic, when they're thirsty, fuck water,gimme a beer. Not getting drunk quick enough, shots.

Fuck TRT, lemme blast.
Not getting results in the timeframe? Up the dose. Sounds legit 💯
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yeah id say so, i dont think anyone is agueing that there are some with a psychological dependency to AAS with body dysmorphia playing no small part.

People are just saying (correctly in my opinion) that there is no physical dependency or addiction like other vices that were often refer the word "addiction" to. (IE, nicotine, alcohol, opiates, ect)

I think the argument that trt = dependency is fairy disingenuous.

There is no tolerance build up for AAS like there are for those vices that do develop a physical dependency.


TLDR its my opinion that people can absolutely be addicted to AAS, just not in the same sense we often associate addiction for the common big offenders (nicotine, alcohol, opiates) but more so in the sense how people with obesity may be addicted to food, or a child may be addicted to their ipad, or someone may be addicted to shopping or social media.
 
TomJ said:
yeah id say so, i dont think anyone is agueing that there are some with a psychological dependency to AAS with body dysmorphia playing no small part.

People are just saying (correctly in my opinion) that there is no physical dependency or addiction like other vices that were often refer the word "addiction" to. (IE, nicotine, alcohol, opiates, ect)

I think the argument that trt = dependency is fairy disingenuous.

There is no tolerance build up for AAS like there are for those vices that do develop a physical dependency.


TLDR its my opinion that people can absolutely be addicted to AAS, just not in the same sense we often associate addiction for the common big offenders (nicotine, alcohol, opiates) but more so in the sense how people with obesity may be addicted to food, or a child may be addicted to their ipad, or someone may be addicted to shopping or social media.
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Great, got it 👌🏻👍🏻
 
TomJ said:
I get no AI effects from mast.
I need about 25mg aromasin twice a week to keep my at around 35-50 e2 based on my most recent bloods
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Oh okay, that's good to know. Currently no plans of running 19-NORs but if I do at some point I'm taking notes on how other reacted so I'm prepared.
 
zwhit said:
@TomJ and @KrossOut

Lay out what you're running right now
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150 mg Test prop
150 mg test cyp
Pinned eod
3 iu of HGH.

Here’s a good example. In July, I bumped everything up to:
TestC 425
Test P 300
3 iu HGH

Because I had a specific goal in mind. I wanted to max out my bench press and train to get a 450-475 PR. I ran that for 3 weeks. Training was on target. Everything looked good.

Then I got a big project for work that’s going to be great but is going to take up a lot of my time.

So on August 4th, I lowered my dose down to where I am now. I’m hoping to give it another try in a couple months when I have the appropriate amount of time.

I’m not going thru the shakes. No cold sweats.
 
Get Shredded!
aimanabolic said:
Oh okay, that's good to know. Currently no plans of running 19-NORs but if I do at some point I'm taking notes on how other reacted so I'm prepared.
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i dont really notice any meaningful aromatization from NPP.
 
zwhit said:
Do you cruise or "trt+" ?
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true trt cruise 150mg-200mg which keeps me at the 900-1100 range.

I have a weight limit being a classic competitor, and im already very close to it, so there is no real competitive need for me to be reckless with my health by not taking proper time off. At my size, as long as your training and nutrition remain solid, you shouldnt really lose any appreciable muscle on just TRT. Its really only the real big boys that gotta worry about that
 
KrossOut said:
150 mg Test prop
150 mg test cyp
Pinned eod
3 iu of HGH.

Here’s a good example. In July, I bumped everything up to:
TestC 425
Test P 300
3 iu HGH

Because I had a specific goal in mind. I wanted to max out my bench press and train to get a 450-475 PR. I ran that for 3 weeks. Training was on target. Everything looked good.

Then I got a big project for work that’s going to be great but is going to take up a lot of my time.

So on August 4th, I lowered my dose down to where I am now. I’m hoping to give it another try in a couple months when I have the appropriate amount of time.

I’m not going thru the shakes. No cold sweats.
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No but you're still running about double the normal trt dose to keep you feeling good. A maintenance dose if you will

I dont even care if I'm being honest. I was just trying to prove my point that they are addictive and I'm still of that opinion. And I'm of the opinion that if you were to drop to true TRT doses, you'd want a little more, evidenced by your "cruise"

What's that sound like?
 
zwhit said:
No but you're still running about double the normal trt dose to keep you feeling good. A maintenance dose if you will

I dont even care if I'm being honest. I was just trying to prove my point that they are addictive and I'm still of that opinion. And I'm of the opinion that if you were to drop to true TRT doses, you'd want a little more, evidenced by your "cruise"

What's that sound like?
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I didn’t say I was on a “cruise”. It’s not what I “need to feel good”.

I had a goal.
I started to attack my goal with a plan.
Life got in the way and my goal will have to wait a couple months. I’m still going to attack it.
 
TomJ said:
where did he say that was a cruise?
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The part where he says he "lowered it down" on August 4th and planned on giving it (the higher doses) another go in a couple months would lead any reasonable person to believe that

This is a pretty useless argument, I see
 
I’m going to start a Steroid Addiction Foundation.

Of all my years, I have never seen a bunch of heroin addicts or crackheads supporting each others addictions they way every addict here is! You all must REALLY need help to break your steroid addictions. No one seems at all concerned for each others wellbeing. In fact, you’re all celebrating yours and each others addictions.

What a wild drug the steroids are! 🤣
 
You boys are something else. Can't reason with some people, I guess.
 
zwhit said:
The part where he says he "lowered it down" on August 4th and planned on giving it (the higher doses) another go in a couple months would lead any reasonable person to believe that

This is a pretty useless argument, I see
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Starting a “blast” in July with an intent and purpose to accomplish a specific goal… and then recognizing that something else has higher priority so lowering that that “addictive drug use” to a more reasonable amount for a couple months so that the timing and responsibilities line up better sounds like addictive behavior???
 
zwhit said:
You boys are something else. Can't reason with some people, I guess.
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No. I was thinking the same exact thing.

Let me ask you (and anyone else), why do you take steroids? If it makes you feel like an addict or if you think you’re addicted, why continue to take them?

I HATED being an addict. It fucking sucked.
 
KrossOut said:
No. I was thinking the same exact thing.

Let me ask you (and anyone else), why do you take steroids? If it makes you feel like an addict or if you think you’re addicted, why continue to take them?
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Maybe because you ARE addicted, and you know if you come off, you will go into depression, etc.... So you keep taking them to feel good. Just like any other drug 🙂.
KrossOut said:
I HATED being an addict. It fucking sucked.
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Deezo said:
Maybe because you ARE addicted, and you know if you come off, you will go into depression, etc.... So you keep taking them to feel good. Just like any other drug 🙂.
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Dang man. This thread has me bummed. I gotta go shoot up some test to feel good. I hope I don’t rip thru my entire stash again.
 
KrossOut said:
Dang man. This thread has me bummed. I gotta go shoot up some test to feel good. I hope I don’t rip thru my entire stash again.
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You can be as sarcastic as you want. It just shows your immaturity, don't go into hiding again...That's probably your lack of self confidence when you go on your "TRT" dose.
 
Deezo said:
You can be as sarcastic as you want. It just shows your immaturity, don't go into hiding again... That's probably your lack of self confidence when you go on your "TRT" dose.
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Lol.

If she floats then she must be a witch!
 
KrossOut said:
No. I was thinking the same exact thing.

Let me ask you (and anyone else), why do you take steroids? If it makes you feel like an addict or if you think you’re addicted, why continue to take them?

I HATED being an addict. It fucking sucked.
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I take steroids to build muscle and enhance my performance like most people that take them. And like alot of people, when I'm on trt, there's a urge pretty often to use more. I don't give in anymore until I've been off for a long as I deem necessary. But I did in my 20s and early 30s. And I'm not the only one, bunch of people here do it now. Tells me they're at least minimally addictive. No one said they're akin to heroin.

That's just your strawman argument. But I see why you're so sensitive to being told they're addictive now. I'm glad you broke free from whatever addictions you had but to say AAS is not addictive is disingenuous, to me. Especially when teenagers might read this and go on AAS and stay on them and wonder if they were actually addictive 15 years down the road after they've done irreversible damage.

Not everyone gets addicted to drugs but a lot do. Just because they don't suck dick for it doesn't mean they don't shave years off the back end
 
Deezo said:
You can be as sarcastic as you want. It just shows your immaturity, don't go into hiding again...
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Why do you use steroids then?

To feed the giant swole monkey on your back?
 
KrossOut said:
Why do you use steroids then?

To feed the giant swole monkey on your back?
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For the last time, read the threads... I haven't for the last 1 and a half years. If you weren't so busy hiding you would've seen this. I'm contemplating another cycle soon, as mentioned earlier,Since I stopped my last cycle, I keep thinking about another.

But I know the repercussions, I'm still young. Have alot more mileage in me... I just take as much precaution as I can 🙂.

Ive seen more people here mess themselves up than do good with the stuff. So I'm learning as much as I can before I pull the trigger with my next 🙂.

IF/When I do eventually relapse 🙂😅
 
"He went off the rails with PED's and insulin in a bad way. He aged like 20 years over the course of only a few.
200mg winny for 3 days, delusional"

Cant be because of addiction, no way. Something else..... I can't put my finger on it though....
 

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