Gotcha. Congrats on all the weight loss!Was avid in the gym and just kinda lost motivation and stuff through a divorce and got a lot of extra "nonmuscle weight" lol. Struggled to get back to it for years but completely destroyed my metabolism, so I opted for the surgery. I was at 340 peek weight and now 10 months from surgery back down to 215. Muscle loss and weakness is my struggle now. Also I have done approx. 6 or 7 cycles including tren ace before all this, found it always tied well with test e for me
I know what you are saying....I think what coach was inferring is that when someone doesn't want to put the hard work/discipline into losing weight and opts for the "easy" way, that they aren't someone who will use but rather abuse gear. IDK.Bit of harsh feedback... From what OP said he gained the weight due to depression and life being life. Shit happens to all of us, we all deal with shit differently, the good thing is that his mind seems to be back in the game. I have no experience with gastric bypass surgery, BUT my 2 cents would be to just get back in the gym natty and work on getting things rolling again as well as building and dialing a meal plan during that time. Seems like you've been out of the weight room for some years, so it's almost like starting all over again which is good.
A few months in you'll start seeing progress, some of that muscle coming back, fat further shedding away. Then somewhere between the 6-12 month mark once you know you're in it to win it, both physically and mentally and in the kitchen, then maybe do a moderate test only cycle. I would not advice to just hop on gear especially tren just because you've done it years ago. More than likely your bf % is quite high at the moment with low muscle mass and throwing gear without a good workout regimen and diet could be a disaster. Especially, coming from 340lbs you probably won't eat enough and it'll be a waste. Get dialed in first.
Thanks for introducing yourself and reading the rules and such in the new members section. If you don’t see any advice in my post, you are definitely closed minded. You came to a steroid forum looking for a shortcut. Tell me I’m wrong.Didn't ask for your opinion.....asked for anyone with specific experience thanks for no valid advice
Thank you for this. It is a prime example of justification and rationalization.If your view on weight loss surgery is the easy way out or cheating, then the same could be said for not being natty and resorting to (the easy way/cheating) gear for gaining muscle.
OK. The amount of food necessary to fully realize the effects and benefits of steroids will not be possible for someone who has had their digestive track modified.I'm looking more for what affects it would have after surgery not life lessons on my disciplines.. ill worry about that part. Alot of info I've read goes both ways that no steroids are recommended for weight loss patients and the other half says it's fine. Literally was looking for someone with personal life experience with this.
Going back to the point you're making. I've seen it first hand with a family friend and wives coworker. He used to be huge before I met him and had the surgery done. When I met him he was still big, but you could tell he had lost a lot of weight. Now he's got the chubby cheeks again. No diet and social alcohol consumption. The rebound does happen due to lack of lifestyle changes.If people don’t know what I am talking about, watch a few seasons of “My 600lb Life” and see the reccuring theme. People can lose 400lbs in six months and even though they now know how easy it is to actually lose weight, they still focus only on the surgery. Most just go back to their old ways after they have the surgery.
Surgery is no joke. I have had dozensnof them, none elective. I can’t imagine being so lack of disciplined that I would willingly go under the knife vs just dialing in my lifestyle.
First of all- didn't see ur age anywhere- makes a difference on your natty test levels. I'm sure u've had plenty of bloodwork done- but did any of it check ur natty test levels. U've actually been given some good advice already. Never had gastric bypass or been on any "structured" weight loss program. And the reason is I've never needed too. Somehow( and I'm not bragging) I've learned along the way to have the discipline Coach is referring too. Probably because I was a fat kid that got picked on and I dug my way out ( with the help of an older friend who lifted weights). I found that when I got some muscles- didn't get picked on and even got laid. I'm not trying to give u a high school lesson here. But I've also been wrecked by a divorce and had my share of battles w/ substance abuse. However through all that I NEVER quit working out- NEVER gone over a couple weeks- due to injuries and a health scare in 2014- w/o working out. That's the discipline Coach is talking about. Started when I was 14- now 59. And I didn't start juice until my mid 20s after pretty much maxing out natty. Ur a grown man, so ur gonna do what ur gonna do- personally I think the advice of doing a trt dose for a little extra incentive- and for the health benefits is not a bad idea- assuming u have low T like the rest of us. THEN once u prove that u can stick it out- maybe a test only cycle- but NO TREN imo. Ur gonna need to learn to take some constructive criticism if u hang here though. Coach tells it like it is- sometimes he's a little rough- but he's usually right imo. Anyway- congratulations on the weight loss. Now let's see if u can keep it off and maybe move it around some. Good luck friend!- HRWondering if anybody has any experience using gear after gastric surgery?
OK. The amount of food necessary to fully realize the effects and benefits of steroids will not be possible for someone who has had their digestive track modified.
This was my first thought. I know someone that had that and no way would they be able to eat enough to put muscle on so steroids would be a waste. I have heard of people pushing hard and stretching there stomache back out and gaining all the weight back. Lol. So you I would concentrate on that first. To answer your question I don't see why a cycle would effect you any different but it would be a waste of time imo. You will need to eat enough calories to build muscle and I doubt you can do that now. Also as already stated tren would be pointless. Are you 200 plus lbs single digit body fat trying to get that dry hard look? Trying to break through a sticking point and hammering 4-5000 calories a day? A legit strength athlete trying to break prs. If no to all of them tren is a waste. If anything just some test all by itself might help body composition.
all you’ve done is list excuses...Was avid in the gym and just kinda lost motivation and stuff through a divorce and got a lot of extra "nonmuscle weight" lol. Struggled to get back to it for years but completely destroyed my metabolism, so I opted for the surgery. I was at 340 peek weight and now 10 months from surgery back down to 215. Muscle loss and weakness is my struggle now. Also I have done approx. 6 or 7 cycles including tren ace before all this, found it always tied well with test e for me
Thank you for an actual response to my question and not a life lesson or "coaching" on my personal disciplinesYes you can use test after gastric sleeve surgery. I had a sleeve about 6 years ago and it worked well for me. About 30% of the people who get a sleeve will regain all their weight in 24 months. The point of the sleeve is to force yourself onto an extreme diet for about 12 months. After that, if you haven't developed new eating habits it will all come back eventually. I've tried a few big cycles after my sleeve but they haven't really worked. I think the problem is I just can't get in enough calories to really make use of the extra gear. I pretty much just do TRT now and get slow but steady gains. I haven't tried tren, again I don't think I could take in enough calories to make it worthwhile. I don't have any heartburn issues on anything I've tried.
Thank you for an actual response to my question and not a life lesson or "coaching" on my personal disciplines
Oh, you have no personal discipline, that's why nobody gave you a response.Thank you for an actual response to my question and not a life lesson or "coaching" on my personal disciplines