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Tis I, the Captainmorgan, wrote this article to help people out and better educate noobs about gyno.















If you are aleady an expert, get the hell out of here
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Well, first things first, its probably # 1 most feared side effects by noobs, and they should be.

Gynocomestia is growth of breast tissue in male, mainly due to estrogen or progesterone. In other words, you are a dude growing tits.

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There are four bad thing about gyno:


1. Its fucking permanant and can only be removed by surgery. (No, letro doesnt work, despite what others tell you)


2. People think your transgender.


3. People around you know you are on gear and think your stupid enough to develope one.


4. Your estrogen value in blood serum is out of whack.




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Why the hell do we get gyno?



Well it all basically starts with estrogen or progesteron.




Estrogen and progesterone are female sex hormone. It basically binds to receptors in breast area, and signals your body to develope breast tissues.


Since anabolic steroids is synthetic male sex hormone, why the hell are we worrying about estrogen? Well the problem is that male sex hormone aromatases (changes) into these bloody estrogens.


Ok now that you understand estrogen, but what about progesterone that Ive been ranting about? Well progesterone is same as estrogen, except it makes your breast to develope milk ducts and stimulate at the same time growing tits.

You basically grow breasts and they leak milk.


So basically more you administer anabolic steroids, more of these estrogens/progesterone are produced, depending what steroids you take.


Oral steroids produce estrogens hell of faster than injectable steroids.


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Aromatase Inhibitor(AI) VS Seletive Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM)


But is there anything we can do to work against these evil female hormones? Thankfully yes.


You can use these two classes drugs to prevent estrogens/progesterones from forming in the first place, or make them unable to work.


1. AI

2. SERM




1. AI is are drugs that prevents anabolic steroids (male hormones) from turning into estrogen or progesterone.


There are four basic AI's out there, and those are : 1. Arimidex , 2. Aromasin , 3. Letrozole , and 4. Formestane


And these AI drugs falls into two sub-categories: Type 1 and Type 2 AI.


Type 1 AI is suicidal AI, which means it physically attaches to estrogen and destroys on spot. (this why they are more expensive)


Type 2 AI is non-suicidal AI, which means it prevents anabolic steroids to turns into estrogen.



Arimidex and Letrozole is Type 2 AI, while Aromasin and Formestane is type 1 AI.


But what about progesterone?


Well now it gets more complex.

You need to know what anabolic steroids turns into estrogen or progesterone so you will know what drugs to take.


For progesterone, none of type 1 and type 2 will work.


What you will need is Dopamine agonists.



Two very good drugs against progesterone gyno are:


1. Cabergoline

2. Prami pexole



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So what about serms?


SERMS basically stop gyno differently than AI's do.

SERMS immediately binds to both estrogen and breast tissue areas so that estrogen cant bind to anything. For this reason, SERMS work faster than AI, and many people take these as emergency gyno protocol.

But one thing to be VERY careful, is that SERMS DO NOT WORK with progesterone!!!!

SERMS are designed and shaped to fit into estrogen NOT progesterone structure!!!

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So what drugs are Serms?


99% of steroids users use two serms.


1. Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate)

2. Clomid (Clomifen Citrate)


Although these two work against estrogen, Nolvadex works about 25 times faster at stopping gyno than clomid.

Clomid is rather used for PCT drugs, since it raises LH level far superior than Nolvadex does.


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What compounds produce estrogen or progesterone?



Its very simple. 19 nor compounds (Tren and nandrolone) produce progesterone.


1. Trenbolone (Trenbolone acetate, Trenbolone enenthate)

2. Nandrolone. (Deca Durabolin, NPP)

3. All other compounds other than above produce estrogen.




Do NOT FUCK AROUND WITH THESE COMPOUNDS UNLESS YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENEC BETWEEN ESTROGEN AND PROGESTERONE.

YOU WILL GET GYNO, AND IT WILL BE A MILKY ONE, PERIOD.




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Well how do I know if Im getting a gyno?



Its very hard to tell, since everyone is different.




These are basic symptoms before getting gynos:


1. Right under the nipple, it itches, or sometimes hurt.


2. Nipples are puffed up (Most common)


3. Your face is bloated.


Some people get gyno without these symptoms, and only blood work showing estrogen level in blood can tell if you are in danger zone.




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Whats the dosage for AI and Serm, and emergency protocol??


If you start to get above symptoms from estrogen, then try these dosages.



1. Take 1 mg of arimidex every other day untill symptom subsides, and if no more symptoms, take .25mg everyday.


2. Take 25mg of Arimidex every other day untill symptom subsides, and if no more symptoms, take 12.5mg every other day.


3. Ill skip letro since it takes longer than 2 weeks to work.


4. Take 200mg of Formastane transdermally everyday until symptom subsides.



If you are already growing gyno, then try this:



1. Take 40mg of Nolvadex and take either 1mg of arimidex or 25mg of aromasin, until symptom subsides. It usually takes a week to start notice gyno going down.




Reason why I added SERM and AI together is that while AI reduces number of estrogen, SERM will deactivate free floating estrogens, thus faster and steady gyno control.



If your SERM and AI is bunk(fake) at this stage, you are officially fucked, and I suggest you to start shopping for bra.



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Summary:


It aint that difficult.



All you need to know is the difference between estrogen and progesteron, what drugs to take, what compounds produces estrogen or progesteron.


Now I dont wanna hear another of you noobs complaining about "oh I didnt know, wtf is estrogen or that or this".
 
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Awesome! Great basic learning. Of EVERY SINGLE FCKING ONE i've talked to about roids, NON have a clue about SERM, AI, DA etc etc...
Everyone can inject or press orals, few new HOW to inject and maintain a more healthy balanced body with the mentioned abow.
I know the basics but far from learned.

Showed a mate who is not a fan about roids but train pro. He dropped hes jaw when i showed my stack what i have to take except the tren and test^^
 

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Tis I, the Captainmorgan, wrote this article to help people out and better educate noobs about gyno.



If you start to get above symptoms from estrogen, then try these dosages.



1. Take 1 mg of arimidex every other day untill symptom subsides, and if no more symptoms, take .25mg everyday.


2. Take 25mg of Arimidex every other day untill symptom subsides, and if no more symptoms, take 12.5mg every other day. (FIX THIS, it should be AROMASIN)


3. Ill skip letro since it takes longer than 2 weeks to work.


4. Take 200mg of Formastane transdermally everyday until symptom subsides.



Now I dont wanna hear another of you noobs complaining about "oh I didnt know, wtf is estrogen or that or this".

Damn good summary
 

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sign me up for the milkyness. do you know how much a gallon of milk costs now? think of all the savings.
JK. good info
 

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In dosage #2 you have 25mg arimidex. Don't you mean aromasin?

Ya I noticed that too. Gotta be taking aromasin because 25mg adex might fuck you up. Also I didn't seen anything in there about raloxifene for gyno. I'm taking 80mg per day along with 25mg aromasin for an existing case of gyno. I had been planning to get a appointment with a surgeon but this shit is actually shrinking and making the lump a lot softer and less painful. I'll eventually get the surgery maybe this next winter but for now I'm kinda surprised at the results.

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Excellent Post This will definitely help out a lot of noobs out there who honestly didn't research. I know my first cycle many years ago, all I new was to pin some AAS, didn't know shit about PCT SERMs or AIs.

^^^ I think he might of meant .25mg of adex
 

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Ya I noticed that too. Gotta be taking aromasin because 25mg adex might fuck you up. Also I didn't seen anything in there about raloxifene for gyno. I'm taking 80mg per day along with 25mg aromasin for an existing case of gyno. I had been planning to get a appointment with a surgeon but this shit is actually shrinking and making the lump a lot softer and less painful. I'll eventually get the surgery maybe this next winter but for now I'm kinda surprised at the results.

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Ill probably do some research on ralox. It didnt exist back in the days

And yep I meant aromsin, not adex.

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Excellent Post This will definitely help out a lot of noobs out there who honestly didn't research. I know my first cycle many years ago, all I new was to pin some AAS, didn't know shit about PCT SERMs or AIs.

^^^ I think he might of meant .25mg of adex

yep I was typing too fast
 

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Plenty of anecdotal evidence of Letro and Epistane reducing existing gyno lumps. Ralox as well. How did you conclude that Letro doesn't work?
 

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Plenty of anecdotal evidence of Letro and Epistane reducing existing gyno lumps. Ralox as well. How did you conclude that Letro doesn't work?

This. We have a few members here who used Letro to remove old existing gyno.
 

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Letro works. I have buddies that have had old existing gyno say its gone away after a couple weeks of Letro.
 

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Excellent. Well done.
This...

Glad to see that you took your time out to conduct this read... I have some topics myself that I plan on covering in the near future..This was one of them..Well done son!
 

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This...

Glad to see that you took your time out to conduct this read... I have some topics myself that I plan on covering in the near future..This was one of them..Well done son!

Vision, Id love to share what I know and help people with what I have.

Let me know if you need any help in future posts.
 

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So we are going to just ignore a few questionable points in the original post? :thinking:
 

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mods need to make this a sticky...best read i've found on gyno so far.
 

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So we are going to just ignore a few questionable points in the original post? :thinking:

I guess the three people who saw my post and commented on it must have xray vision...didn't know I could type in invisible ink on the forum ;)

Seriously though, pretty forward statement regarding gyno. With many many people having luck with letro, epistane and ralox.

There are studies showing Tamoxifen Citrate having a positive impact when administered shortly after onset of gyno.

This is far beyond bro science. There are enough people in the community that have used it in a clinical like environment. Letro is prescribed by doctors to treat gyno in some cases as well.

So to state unambiguously that surgery is the only option...well I would like to see how you arrived at this conclusion. While I am not saying unequivocally that you are wrong I do think this is a discussion with a great deal of meritorious debate.
 
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