ADVANCED HRT+ with GH

[maxmuscle1]

Advanced way of Layering TRT PLUS:
Layering/Stacking the compounds rather than taking them alone could have some advantageous affects. Currently, Anti Aging dosing is between 50-400mg of Testosterone. *{Then additionally add Nandrolone/DHT by means of IM/Subq/oral}.

•For ease of discussion 240mg-340mg will be selected as the target dose. Over 40-55 yrs old.

Advanced Regimen:
100mg-150mg IM Testoviron Depot Enanthate every 5th day
50mg-100mg IM Nandrolone Decanoate every 5th day - I like 100mg
12.5-25mg Bayer Proviron twice a day {12 hour half life}
Testosterone undecanoate 1/5 ml:20units (Pharmacom)
Ztropin GH 2iu added for extra benefits

Results should be: Low androgenic sides, Low progesterone sides, Low prolactin mobilization, very little conversion, extraordinary blood stability, high libido, faster healing and recovery, very little bloating, few AI needed to suppress estrogen.
[*This was the actual write up by the clinics stating the benefits and ratios, not me. BTW*]

So I read this article and it peaked my interest. Obviously, most can not afford an Anti-Aging center that takes cash only and charges you a grip of $$ for appointments and bloodwork. I contacted 4 clinics that provide such services and the monthly price was from $1,200 to start and up to $800 per month{not including gh} for such a program and that was using their compounding center and not name brand.

Basically it is a Test C/Deca/Proviron w a long acting base of Test Undecanoate. HGH is an upgrade. It claims to maintain and build muscle as you decrease belly fat, increase bone density, better skin, hair, energy, and sexual libido. All while helping decrease bone and joint pain. It shows that taken properly, AI is rarely needed if at all. After doing the cost analysis, a person could get:
6 bottles of Test Cypionate 300 $200
2.5 bottles of Deca 300 $100
1 bottle of 250mg Test Undecanoate $55
350 tabs of Proviron 50mg(alot$) ; or 20g raw mesterolone $120
Low dose Cialis 2.5-5mg daily
**Gh- additional 5 kits (2iu 5x per week)
So basically less than $500 and you could do an anti aging program similar to these Beverly Hills Clinics and have all bloods done online. Of course all while under the supervision of your practitioner. If you wanted to add GH to your yearly regimen it would be an additional $750 annually. So, $1,250 per year{$104 per month}
A man could do a top notch anti aging program
Including all of the above. I wonder if anyone has tried such a program long term? It sounds like it may be a nice program. Of course you would definitely want all regular physical exams and bloodwork by your normal physician. They mentioned 2.5-5mg daily dose of Cialis for BPH/ED prevention. Wonder how much this might save a man in preventative health and quality of life. I, in no way think you would live longer but, you may feel good and younger than your actual age.
**This is just for entertainment/informational purposes only and not intended as advice of any kind.

Max preferred: (below) using a 1ml BD/Excel Luer Lock, an 18g-21g AHS draw needle to pull from three separate vials, then attach needle gauge/length based on injection site.

Example#2
If your test or Deca is higher milligram UG
Sample Injection Schedule: Every 5 days -
1/5ml or 20u test undecanoate 250 (50mg) P-Com
1/3ml or 35u test enanthate 300 (100mg) any brand
1/4ml or 25u deca 300 75mg Other brand
Daily Bayer Proviron 12.5-25mg split dose
2iu rHGH sub-q Ztropin, Humatrope, Spectros
Advanced TRT blend:
{80 units on slin pin or a little over .8 line on 3ml syringe}

This could be a great combo for guys who would like to keep gaining and Save $$ vs clinics .

Max

 

[DirtyIron14]

Thanks for taking the time to write this up Max. Definitely some members here that put out some killer info.

 

[maxmuscle1]

Thanks for taking the time to write this up Max. Definitely some members here that put out some killer info.

This is the best one I can do (besides my papas old one ) which he used 3 amps of Bayer Primo/Rimonolan. He switched to nandrolone due to the legality and his buddies lost out on some cases of primo , so he personally switched to Deca and loves it .

If I’m not blasting , this is what I like to do. It took me years to get all of the older guys info to get their Tricks of the trade .

BTW- my next “in between” cycle I’m gonna use phaema Geno/Nord/ or Humatrope to see if I have higher Igf1 compared to Branded Ug. I’d like to try the primo “original” version because one of the guys did it for 3 decades , still going strong .

Max

Btw- my app is going slow , I’m sure it will fix itself . Haven’t been able to post everything I wanted yet

 

[Bob West]

Holy crap dude, you look great!
Great write up, very informative.

 

[maxmuscle1]

Holy crap dude, you look great!
Great write up, very informative.

Appreciate that Bob! My best friend is a “Bob” . He now wants me to call him Robert! Lol I will always call him Bob . Yeah it takes a lot of hard work but guys who really want it can get into their best shape if they have the help and knowledge of professionals and their peers(here at ASF) . People say there aren’t really any tricks but….their are smart ways(methods) to training to your fullest and not just “spinning your wheels at the gym”. I make sure to get a workout in almost every day of the year. I feel like most guys would heavily benefit by logging - Their food, cycle, their sets/reps , and keeping track of what works and what doesn’t . Just a lot of hard work and resilient fortitude . Good products too

Max

 

[Eddiesixpack]

Holy crap dude, you look great!
Great write up, very informative.

That’s a generic picture he used from queers are us.(joking). In all honesty @maxmuscle1 this is probably one of the best write up in awhile with proof of the results. Super impressive my friend.

 

[maxmuscle1]

That’s a generic picture he used from queers are us.(joking). In all honesty @maxmuscle1 this is probably one of the best write up in awhile with proof of the results. Super impressive my friend.

Thanks Eddie ! . I definitely wanted to share it with forum because it works so well . Plus for guys who don’t really want to BLAST all the time , it’s been super helpful for me . Takes a long time to “get to know” your body and keep your eye on the prize while eating healthy . We all cheat and I actually tell clients to have their cheat meals or cheat day and use that to keep them on track eating healthy the rest of the week. I do have a penalty system that helps me from overindulging : “if I mess up and eat a big ole dessert or bad meal…I don’t get my cheat meal or day”. And my cheats are soo sick ! You can imagine what I do for cheat meals it looks like a family dinner ! Lol.

Max

 

[Eddiesixpack]

Thanks Eddie ! . I definitely wanted to share it with forum because it works so well . Plus for guys who don’t really want to BLAST all the time , it’s been super helpful for me . Takes a long time to “get to know” your body and keep your eye on the prize while eating healthy . We all cheat and I actually tell clients to have their cheat meals or cheat day and use that to keep them on track eating healthy the rest of the week. I do have a penalty system that helps me from overindulging : “if I mess up and eat a big ole dessert or bad meal…I don’t get my cheat meal or day”. And my cheats are soo sick ! You can imagine what I do for cheat meals it looks like a family dinner ! Lol.

Max

When I get ready to go down that road you will be the first person I contact. Right now I’m trying to stay as natural as I can. Cjc1295/Ipamorelin. I know to get to where I want to be I will probably have to up my game. Right now I’m making small progress but I wish I was a little further along. So far my abs are my weak spot and I’m crunching like crazy but still having trouble with that 1” of belly fat.lol.

Keep up the hard work and thank you for sharing. It keeps me motivated and a goal to try and achieve.

 

[Jbswole40]

Great read @maxmuscle1

 

[maxmuscle1]

When I get ready to go down that road you will be the first person I contact. Right now I’m trying to stay as natural as I can. Cjc1295/Ipamorelin. I know to get to where I want to be I will probably have to up my game. Right now I’m making small progress but I wish I was a little further along. So far my abs are my weak spot and I’m crunching like crazy but still having trouble with that 1” of belly fat.lol.

Keep up the hard work and thank you for sharing. It keeps me motivated and a goal to try and achieve.

Cjc1295/Ipamorelin can be a helpful combo for sure and I’ve personally used both and plenty more . That lower abdomen fat is the last to go on males and can be a bitch. Of course keeping your optimum levels of free/total testosterone/gh/igf-1 is nice but hard to get balanced along with the diet and exercise .

Here are some extra articles that I’ve went through along with my own experiences :

PEPTIDE MIXED THERAPIES :

MK677 vs Ipamorelin: Summary
In the competition of MK677 vs Ipamorelin, there is no clear-cut winner. Rather, there are two different compounds with extreme similarities and yet some nuanced differences that make choosing one compound over the other obvious in certain situations. Though the combination of MK677 and Ipamorelin has not been tested, there is reason to think that the compounds may be synergistic in many ways. Only future research will tell what the combination of these growth hormone secretagogues might do. For the time being, MK677 vs Ipamorelin is less a matter of determining a “winner” than it is an exercise in learning about two exceptional compounds and their impacts on GH physiology.
If there is one place that MK677 outshines Ipamorelin it is in the realm of sleep.
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•Difference between Sermorelin and Modified GRF 1-29 ?
Sermorelin is often confused with Modified GRF 1-29. They are both similar but these two peptides do have an important difference. These two peptides have a molecular structure comprised of 29 amino acids and possess comparable mechanisms of action (mimicking GHRH to stimulate endogenous GH production).
On the other hand, Modified GRF 1-29 has been altered with changes to four specific amino acids in its chemical structure. These changes are intended to increase the peptide’s stability during storage, transportation, and administration while enhancing its affinity for the GHRH receptor.
What are the Benefits of Sermorelin?

• naturally improves growth hormone production
• increased muscle
• increased lean body mass
• decreased body fat
• enhanced recovery from injuries and training sessions
• better sleep; deeper, more restful sleep
• improved flexibility and joint health
• enhanced overall health and wellness
• increased levels of GH stimulate greater production of Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1) in the body, further driving improvements in lean body composition with accelerated growth of muscle tissue and reduced body fat

Lower than optimal levels of growth hormone in the body can significantly affect an individual’s athletic performance, functional capacity, and overall quality of life. Growth hormone is a crucial component in numerous physiological processes: increased strength, energy, flexibility, vitality, and overall well-being. Suboptimal levels of growth hormone levels is often associated with loss of muscle mass and strength, weaker bones, reduced exercise capacity, increased body fat, decreased stamina, poor recovery, and unrestorative sleep.

•Combinations of Peptides:
Many peptides work well alone, but when they are combined with another peptide they are considered to have a synergistic effect, meaning the effects of both peptides are henced but combining them then using them alone. To enhanced GH production, peptides such as GHRP-2, GHRP-6, or Ipamorelin in combination with Sermorelin can result in a powerful synergistic effect.
These peptides’ complementary mechanisms of action can stimulate even greater secretion of GH, resulting in augmented IGF-1 production, improved muscle tissue growth and repair, accelerated wound healing and recovery, enhanced fat metabolism (fat loss), and more powerful anti-aging effects.
Dosage:
Sermorelin dosages commonly range from 200mcg -500mcg given 1 to 3 times daily. The peptide is commonly administered once daily before bed or split into 2 – 3 smaller doses spread throughout the day. Both approaches to administration can be effective and have been shown to have a positive results in clinical studies.
Although Sermorelin has a relatively short half-life of 10 – 20 minutes, the peptide stimulate the release of GH for 2 hours after administration. As a result, protocols delivering 3 daily doses of as little as 100 mcg (0.1mg) per administration have been shown to cause a significant increase in GH and IGF-1 secretion. Protocol such as this one will commonly result in a more consistent GH level on a daily basis.
Once daily protocols with administration before bed are very effective and better for ease of use and patient compliance. Clinical studies have shown a once daily injection before bed to produce a substantial increase in 12 hour nocturnal GH production as well as an overall increase in GH and IGF-1 levels. A once-daily protocol, recommended individual dosages are commonly 10mcg (0.1mg) per kilogram (2.2 pounds) of body weight. For example, a 200 lbs man would need approximately 900 mcg (0.9mg) once daily. Most doses of 10 mcg/kg are very effective with a maximum of 20 mcg/kg per day. Higher doses have not shown to be effective.

**Benefits of Sermorelin & IPA(Ipamorelin)
While results of using Sermorelin & IPA may vary from one patient to another, studies have shown that the anti-aging treatment of this combination peptides leads to a vast range of mental and physical benefits which include:

• The increase of lean-body mass
• Body fat reduction
• Improved energy in the body
• Increased vitality
• Increased strength & endurance
• Improved vision & brain cell aging
• An accelerated rate of healing wounds
• Improved immune and cardiovascular functioning
• Better quality of deep sleep
• Improvement of bone density
• Higher collagen density and improved skin quality


Sermorelin & Ipamorelin: The Powerful Synergy Peptides
There is a new Sermorelin with IPA, that is well known for being the most powerful among the GHRP peptides. both stimulate the patient’s own pituitary gland by binding to specific receptors that increase production and secretion of endogenous Human Growth Hormone (HGH). IPA also acts as an appetite suppressant allowing for increased weight loss. IPA reduces fat in the belly via a process known as lipolysis.
Additional benefits of IPA include:
First Month
● Weight loss/Body fat reduction
● Increase deep, vivid dreams
● Better, sounder sleep
● Improved stamina
● Optimistic attitude
Second Month
● Improved muscle tone
● Increased strength
● Improved skin tone
● Improved nail growth
● Better digestion
● Weight loss/Body fat reduction
● Improved vision
● Enhanced sexual function
Third Month
● Improved mental process
● Enhanced productivity
● Faster wound healing
● Hair regrowth
● Increased libido
● Increased muscle size
● Faster recovery from muscle soreness
● Reduced PMS symptoms
● Greater body flexibility
● Reduced pain
Fourth Month
● Heightened improvements
● Improvements may seem to plateau
● Rejuvenation is a process
Fifth Month
● Improved weight loss and reduction of inches
● Improved skin texture and appearance
● Skin thickening and greater elasticity
● Reduction of skin wrinkles
● Thickening of hair with a shiny, healthy appearance
● Continuation of improved muscle
Sixth Month
● Diminished cellulite
● Improved resistance to colds, flu, and other diseases
● Improved eyesight
● Healing of old wounds
● Disappearance of pain and soreness
● Improved body contour

Benefits of CJC 1295 w/Ipamorelin

• Increases fat loss and improves lean muscle mass
• Builds collagen and reduces wrinkles
• Improved bone density
• Strengthens the cardiovascular system
• Improves sex drive
• Boosts energy levels
• Improves mood and sleep
• Speeds wound healing and physical recovery
• Anti-aging effects

What is CJC 1295 Ipamorelin?
CJC-1295 w/Ipamorelin is a combination of two peptides designed to stimulate the body’s release of growth hormone (GH). CJC-1295 is an analog of growth hormone releasing hormone (GHRH) which improves plasma concentrations of both growth hormone and insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). CJC-1295 was formulated to have a long biologic half-life thereby increasing its effectiveness when compared to other growth hormone peptides. Ipamorelin is a 5 amino acid peptide that functions as a growth hormone secretagogue (increases GH secretion) and increases IGF-1 levels as well. This peptide is often combined with CJC-1295 for its positive effects on muscle growth and maintenance.

Now I’ve had good luck with Sermorelin Forte Plus which is a sermorelin/ghrp6/ghrp2 combo 4 days and gh 3 days a week . But that was more for a bulking phase .

The sermorelin/Ipamorelin combo could help by using that early upon waking and mk677 at night before bed . I don’t have experience with tesamorelin, but I do know that gh and mk677 used in low doses have shown to be superior to all the peptides. Most use their 2iu AM gh dose, then mk677 before bed (12.5mg-25mg)
watching blood glucose and thyroid is key (even TRT can cause yout tsh to raise) so getting bloodwork is important . Sometimes just a little Rx of levothyroxine T4 can boost your levels and lower that tsh improving your metabolism and burning fat.

Hope that helps give you some extra information. All of the medications are prescribed in the US at clinics but can cost a lot .

Max

 

[maynardnasie]

Awesome, info! Anti-aging, well being is 100% what im here about. If you have a min send me a pm, have a question not sure if I need to post here, I’m still new.


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[maxmuscle1]

Awesome, info! Anti-aging, well being is 100% what im here about. If you have a min send me a pm, have a question not sure if I need to post here, I’m still new.


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It won’t let me pm you. It may be because you need a Certain amount of posts . I’ll hit u up

Max

 

[maynardnasie]

It won’t let me pm you. It may be because you need a Certain amount of posts . I’ll hit u up

Max

I guess that’s why it wouldn’t let me pm you also.


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[Eddiesixpack]

Great write up @maxmuscle1 thank you for the information.

 

[maxmuscle1]

Great write up @maxmuscle1 thank you for the information.

Indeed ! More to come on this subject matter . There are a few way to approach this for males and females . Especially for guys who don’t have access to medical care and insurance or have to rely on supplements and/or research products . It’s a very interesting subject and I’d like to see a nice amount of options including the use of nutraceuticals, Supplements, Transdermals , Sublingual/Buccal , and Oronasal .

Max

 

[Eddiesixpack]

I’m also curious about HCG for boosting natural testosterone. I like most of you are using it when coming off of a cycle but what about us naturals that are trying to boost natural testosterone levels? Curious if you have any experience or thoughts on this. I might need to start a new thread and ask this question.

 

[maxmuscle1]

I’m also curious about HCG for boosting natural testosterone. I like most of you are using it when coming off of a cycle but what about us naturals that are trying to boost natural testosterone levels? Curious if you have any experience or thoughts on this. I might need to start a new thread and ask this question.

I do ! I have BIG Thoughts on this exact subject matter and am finishing a thread on it . ️️. I’ll post it in a bit , just having some technical difficulties at this moment but it will be finished soon .

Max

 

[Eddiesixpack]

I do ! I have BIG Thoughts on this exact subject matter and am finishing a thread on it . ️️. I’ll post it in a bit , just having some technical difficulties at this moment but it will be finished soon .

Max

I can’t wait. Thank you Max

 

[Eddiesixpack]

@maxmuscle1 just checking in. How’s the article coming along?

 

[maynardnasie]

Should the test u be taken daily?

Testosterone undecanoate 1/5 ml:20units (Pharmacom)


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[BigC235]

Should the test u be taken daily?

Testosterone undecanoate 1/5 ml:20units (Pharmacom)


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I'd be curious to know as well...I've just doing the 1/5 every 5th day with the Cyp/Deca. Hope that's correct lol

 

[maynardnasie]

I'd be curious to know as well...I've just doing the 1/5 every 5th day with the Cyp/Deca. Hope that's correct lol

That’s what I am doing as well and would think that is correct as it has a very long half-life. But the others specifically said every 5th day.


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[rdm]

Should the test u be taken daily?

Testosterone undecanoate 1/5 ml:20units (Pharmacom)


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I'd be curious to know as well...I've just doing the 1/5 every 5th day with the Cyp/Deca. Hope that's correct lol

It should be done every 5th day as outlined in his example from the post. See below!

Example#2
If your test or Deca is higher milligram UG
Sample Injection Schedule: Every 5 days -
1/5ml or 20u test undecanoate 250 (50mg) P-Com
1/3ml or 35u test enanthate 300 (100mg) any brand
1/4ml or 25u deca 300 75mg Other brand
Daily Bayer Proviron 12.5-25mg split dose
2iu rHGH sub-q Ztropin, Humatrope, Spectros
Advanced TRT blend:
{80 units on slin pin or a little over .8 line on 3ml syringe}

 

[Deeman]

Great write up Max.

 

[maxmuscle1]

Great write up Max.

Appreciate it. I’m gonna make one for “people who use PED’s” but not injections. Mainly testosterone and gh/Igf1 boosters (secretogogues), ghrelin and anti-estrogenic novel compounds as well.

Max

 

[maxmuscle1]

View attachment 91862
Advanced way of Layering TRT PLUS:
Layering/Stacking the compounds rather than taking them alone could have some advantageous affects. Currently, Anti Aging dosing is between 50-400mg of Testosterone. *{Then additionally add Nandrolone/DHT by means of IM/Subq/oral}.

•For ease of discussion 240mg-340mg will be selected as the target dose. Over 40-55 yrs old.

Advanced Regimen:
100mg-150mg IM Testoviron Depot Enanthate every 5th day
50mg-100mg IM Nandrolone Decanoate every 5th day - I like 100mg
12.5-25mg Bayer Proviron twice a day {12 hour half life}
Testosterone undecanoate 1/5 ml:20units (Pharmacom)
Ztropin GH 2iu added for extra benefits

Results should be: Low androgenic sides, Low progesterone sides, Low prolactin mobilization, very little conversion, extraordinary blood stability, high libido, faster healing and recovery, very little bloating, few AI needed to suppress estrogen.
[*This was the actual write up by the clinics stating the benefits and ratios, not me. BTW*]

So I read this article and it peaked my interest. Obviously, most can not afford an Anti-Aging center that takes cash only and charges you a grip of $$ for appointments and bloodwork. I contacted 4 clinics that provide such services and the monthly price was from $1,200 to start and up to $800 per month{not including gh} for such a program and that was using their compounding center and not name brand.

Basically it is a Test C/Deca/Proviron w a long acting base of Test Undecanoate. HGH is an upgrade. It claims to maintain and build muscle as you decrease belly fat, increase bone density, better skin, hair, energy, and sexual libido. All while helping decrease bone and joint pain. It shows that taken properly, AI is rarely needed if at all. After doing the cost analysis, a person could get:
6 bottles of Test Cypionate 300 $200
2.5 bottles of Deca 300 $100
1 bottle of 250mg Test Undecanoate $55
350 tabs of Proviron 50mg(alot$) ; or 20g raw mesterolone $120
Low dose Cialis 2.5-5mg daily
**Gh- additional 5 kits (2iu 5x per week)
So basically less than $500 and you could do an anti aging program similar to these Beverly Hills Clinics and have all bloods done online. Of course all while under the supervision of your practitioner. If you wanted to add GH to your yearly regimen it would be an additional $750 annually. So, $1,250 per year{$104 per month}
A man could do a top notch anti aging program
Including all of the above. I wonder if anyone has tried such a program long term? It sounds like it may be a nice program. Of course you would definitely want all regular physical exams and bloodwork by your normal physician. They mentioned 2.5-5mg daily dose of Cialis for BPH/ED prevention. Wonder how much this might save a man in preventative health and quality of life. I, in no way think you would live longer but, you may feel good and younger than your actual age.
**This is just for entertainment/informational purposes only and not intended as advice of any kind.

Max preferred: (below) using a 1ml BD/Excel Luer Lock, an 18g-21g AHS draw needle to pull from three separate vials, then attach needle gauge/length based on injection site.

Example#2
If your test or Deca is higher milligram UG
Sample Injection Schedule: Every 5 days -
1/5ml or 20u test undecanoate 250 (50mg) P-Com
1/3ml or 35u test enanthate 300 (100mg) any brand
1/4ml or 25u deca 300 75mg Other brand
Daily Bayer Proviron 12.5-25mg split dose
2iu rHGH sub-q Ztropin, Humatrope, Spectros
Advanced TRT blend:
{80 units on slin pin or a little over .8 line on 3ml syringe}

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This could be a great combo for guys who would like to keep gaining and Save $$ vs clinics .

Max

Time for some 2+1 , 4+2, or 5+10 on the Zphc test E or C !

Max

 

[maynardnasie]

Time for some 2+1 , 4+2, or 5+10 on the Zphc test E or C !

Max

Buy 5 get 10? 15 total? Math is hard


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[maxmuscle1]

Buy 5 get 10? 15 total? Math is hard


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10+5(damn talk text) lol . Appreciate it

Max

 

[BigC235]

So Max just a quick ? ..... so far this regimen is treating me well and I like the E5D dosing protocol. Question is I'll most likely be starting a blast soon depending how blood work looks tomorrow and my coach looks at it, so I'll be switching from Test C to Sust for the blast, do I keep any of these other compounds going ? Or just wait till I come off the blast to re introduce them to the TRT. Like when I come off TRT for the blast do I discontinue the deca, Test undeconate? Thanks man!

 

[maxmuscle1]

So Max just a quick ? ..... so far this regimen is treating me well and I like the E5D dosing protocol. Question is I'll most likely be starting a blast soon depending how blood work looks tomorrow and my coach looks at it, so I'll be switching from Test C to Sust for the blast, do I keep any of these other compounds going ? Or just wait till I come off the blast to re introduce them to the TRT. Like when I come off TRT for the blast do I discontinue the deca, Test undeconate? Thanks man!

Nice ! Here’s what I’d do: depending on you cycle and past cycles-

I just transition to Sust , (let the TRT just run & you can adjust your dose Accordingly).
If I’m bulking or recomping , I always keep my Deca @ 100(it’s a great joint pain relief & recovery) and I raise all my amounts up .

I get bloods before I start, I blast and take a ton of preventative and pct items *during and post blast , return to HRT, if I’m not having issues, I clean up my bloods as good as possible before physician visit(I do my own bloods before I go) about 6 weeks after .

Let me know what your cycle plan is or DM me and I can tell you exactly what I do .

Asin/Caber/Raloxifene:Evista are my top choices and I only use *letro for emergencies

After cycle some don’t use anything and return to their advanced HRT+

Depending on my testicle size : I use Ovitrelle, Merck mid cycle if I’m on longer cycle (current) and I never used Humog(HMG) but it worked so well at restoring the size of my testes !
I’d wait until post cycle for both of them normally - one box of Ovitrelle worked twice as well as a 5,000iu vial hcg (which I have used always in the past).
If I had kids -l already and my sex drive was good , alot of guys don’t use anything.

Max


Always just resume back to Adv HRT + post blast .