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Hey guys, I rarely post anymore, but I have a problem with acne and it is driving me crazy. I am 58 and have not changed my stack in 30 years...500mg Sust in 3 weekly does and 75mg or Tren A ED. About 2 years ago I developed acne / rosacea. I rarely drink anymore so it is not caused by booze. I have tried: Accutane, Azelaic Acid cream, Dapsone cream and pills, Flagyl (antibiotic), Monocyclene, Doxycyclene etc etc etc.....I am now doing the red light therapy to help the rosacea. To be honest I am getting crazy about this. I have been to a dermatologist, but he basically said I have tried everything he can think of. Every acne soap you can think of I have tried.

I am wondering if Femara may help assuming these breakouts are driven by high Test and estrogen levels. Never had acne in my entire life before 2 years ago. Any ideas??
 

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You may not like what I suggest..
At 58,wow still pumping Tren..No..!!
I'd go down to a TRT dose..
1..run labs...
2..drop the Tren
3..see if the Tren is causing it...
4..drop back to a TRT dose
5..Sustanon will stay in with that deconate..but after two weeks should be dropping effect..
6..run labs again..with estrogen numbers..

Perhaps your body has changed, and what you once tolerated, you just can't Now..
This is a MAJOR reason for routine labs as we age..They may not be flashing red lights ,,,but Should give you an idea of what's going on..
Seriously, very few of us find Tren worth the Risk above 40..too many health risk..
Hell,come on over Brother to DHB..
It's the old man's Tren...lol
Let us know Brother..
And get back in the Mix....
Cheers
Z...
 

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You may not like what I suggest..
At 58,wow still pumping Tren..No..!!
I'd go down to a TRT dose..
1..run labs...
2..drop the Tren
3..see if the Tren is causing it...
4..drop back to a TRT dose
5..Sustanon will stay in with that deconate..but after two weeks should be dropping effect..
6..run labs again..with estrogen numbers..

Perhaps your body has changed, and what you once tolerated, you just can't Now..
This is a MAJOR reason for routine labs as we age..They may not be flashing red lights ,,,but Should give you an idea of what's going on..
Seriously, very few of us find Tren worth the Risk above 40..too many health risk..
Hell,come on over Brother to DHB..
It's the old man's Tren...lol
Let us know Brother..
And get back in the Mix....
Cheers
Z...
Thanks for the input bro.....figured it was the Tren or Test causing it.....so annoying. I love Tran, but as you say, my body has probably changed. Def will get labs done. Sorry if this is a silly question, but what do I tell my doc which levels need to be checked. I do get bloodwork 2X / year, but it is only because my doc has me do it to make sure things are in order. Are routine labs that the doctor orders going to get me the a hormone levels that need to be checked to address my problem. Thanks again ro....really appreciate it.
 

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Anytime Brother..
The estrogen, I think can only be ordered from the Dr. ,every 3 months,or something like that..
But I run labs every 30 days...trying to find what Dr.s are Not..
Bloods and Labs...are your 2 stage..
Heart rate,blood pressure, a1c(a three month test)...'Are your 1st stage...
So,how's the HR,BP...???

If you eat right, light exercise and curve bad lifestyle..You can get away with a lot..
But 40...50..55..60..are change points..
You're not 35 at 55...don't kid yourself..

Seriously, the Over 40 sub...was made for US old dogs..
But if the young bucks want to see hard ass work..there we Are...
We ..as seasoned members have to do all the same shit..
BUT....
Keeping in mind..A1C,diabetes, arthritis, cholesterol, PSA......Blood pressure, med interactions and that fucking Knife..
Z...
 

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Anytime Brother..
The estrogen, I think can only be ordered from the Dr. ,every 3 months,or something like that..
But I run labs every 30 days...trying to find what Dr.s are Not..
Bloods and Labs...are your 2 stage..
Heart rate,blood pressure, a1c(a three month test)...'Are your 1st stage...
So,how's the HR,BP...???

If you eat right, light exercise and curve bad lifestyle..You can get away with a lot..
But 40...50..55..60..are change points..
You're not 35 at 55...don't kid yourself..

Seriously, the Over 40 sub...was made for US old dogs..
But if the young bucks want to see hard ass work..there we Are...
We ..as seasoned members have to do all the same shit..
BUT....
Keeping in mind..A1C,diabetes, arthritis, cholesterol, PSA......Blood pressure, med interactions and that fucking Knife..
Z...
Thanks again Z. My BP floats between 130 / 85 on the high end to 112 / 75 low end. I take 40mg Lisinopril every night before bed. Heart rate stays between 85-95 BPM. I do probably 20-25 min of intense elliptical 5-6 X / week + lifting. Used to be a comp PL'er so the weights 20 years ago were crazy.....I have cut a few exercises out of my regimen, board / chain presses / no squatting (had hip replacement 2 yrs ago. More reps lower weights.
 

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Got to change as your body does..
Cheers
Z...
 

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The best thing thats helped my acne over the years was vitamin d3. Cant hurt to throw it in.
 

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Dropping down to trt dose causes severe breakouts for me . Kind stuck here because I can’t / won’t run 500 /w non stop
 

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Forget my back… it’s now starting to crawl up the back of my neck to my head wtf
 

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Zep...Glad to see you Brother..
Z...
Hi Z.....so dropped the Sust and Tren completely and my face is slowly going back to normal. I have an appt at 8am for labs so I will post here when I get the results. Do you think the 100mg of Tren A or 250mg of Sust 3X / week caused the breakouts? Or both? We will see what labs say and then start back up on Sust at a lower dose to see how that goes.
 

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How did labs look
My insurance is making me wait until mid December to get the labs done. I had some done a few months back and I have to wait 6 months before getting them done for it to be paid for. I will post when I get them. Thanks
 

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Hey guys, I rarely post anymore, but I have a problem with acne and it is driving me crazy. I am 58 and have not changed my stack in 30 years...500mg Sust in 3 weekly does and 75mg or Tren A ED. About 2 years ago I developed acne / rosacea. I rarely drink anymore so it is not caused by booze. I have tried: Accutane, Azelaic Acid cream, Dapsone cream and pills, Flagyl (antibiotic), Monocyclene, Doxycyclene etc etc etc.....I am now doing the red light therapy to help the rosacea. To be honest I am getting crazy about this. I have been to a dermatologist, but he basically said I have tried everything he can think of. Every acne soap you can think of I have tried.

I am wondering if Femara may help assuming these breakouts are driven by high Test and estrogen levels. Never had acne in my entire life before 2 years ago. Any ideas??
Witch Hazel pads. Normally used for hemorrhoids because it’s anti inflammatory but it also kills the specific bacteria responsible for acne. It’s better if you could have been treating preemptively but that boat has sailed. I only use it when I feel my skin start to get that oily feeling like you know when you’re going to break out. Shower twice daily. Then use the witch hazel pads. Not a bad idea to use the antibacterial soaps like purel when you shower.

Saw palmetto theoretically as an anti DHT. I’ve found studies that say it works and others that say it’s anecdotal. But I use it religiously just in case it does help. I don’t have any acne. I’m running Sust, Deca, Tren, Eq, Mast and DHB. No orals.
No acne
 

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Anytime Brother..
The estrogen, I think can only be ordered from the Dr. ,every 3 months,or something like that..
But I run labs every 30 days...trying to find what Dr.s are Not..
Bloods and Labs...are your 2 stage..
Heart rate,blood pressure, a1c(a three month test)...'Are your 1st stage...
So,how's the HR,BP...???

If you eat right, light exercise and curve bad lifestyle..You can get away with a lot..
But 40...50..55..60..are change points..
You're not 35 at 55...don't kid yourself..

Seriously, the Over 40 sub...was made for US old dogs..
But if the young bucks want to see hard ass work..there we Are...
We ..as seasoned members have to do all the same shit..
BUT....
Keeping in mind..A1C,diabetes, arthritis, cholesterol, PSA......Blood pressure, med interactions and that fucking Knife..
Z...
Z---just got bloodwork back. I think I found the issue:
Prolactin49.0 ng/mL2.5 - 17.4 ng/mL
 

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I'd start with Aromison then stronger if it doesn't work well enough..
A fine line with Estrogen..not too much and don't crash it..
Like I've been Preach...
Two biggest problems...
1..No bloodwork ..
2..Estrogen understanding and Proper control..

Let us know how it works out..??
Z...
 

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Hey guys, I rarely post anymore, but I have a problem with acne and it is driving me crazy. I am 58 and have not changed my stack in 30 years...500mg Sust in 3 weekly does and 75mg or Tren A ED. About 2 years ago I developed acne / rosacea. I rarely drink anymore so it is not caused by booze. I have tried: Accutane, Azelaic Acid cream, Dapsone cream and pills, Flagyl (antibiotic), Monocyclene, Doxycyclene etc etc etc.....I am now doing the red light therapy to help the rosacea. To be honest I am getting crazy about this. I have been to a dermatologist, but he basically said I have tried everything he can think of. Every acne soap you can think of I have tried.

I am wondering if Femara may help assuming these breakouts are driven by high Test and estrogen levels. Never had acne in my entire life before 2 years ago. Any ideas??
What happens here is AAS can/will transforms acne bacteria into super-acne bacteria -AAS stimulates the growth of Propionibacterium acnes, which increases the chances of developing acne. Researchers have discovered that steroids use changes Propionibacterium acnes from ordinary pimple bacteria into rampant acne bacteria.
The truth is AAS can/will transforms acne bacteria into super-acne bacteria -AAS stimulates the growth of Propionibacterium acnes, which increases the chances of developing acne. Researchers have discovered that steroids use changes Propionibacterium acnes from ordinary pimple bacteria into rampant acne bacteria.Something that a lot of people have mistaken and assume that AAS acne is due to the vast amount of oil (sebum) that is overly produced, when in fact it is a syndrome known as "Propionibacterium acnes"..
Something you need to know here is that the use of anabolic steroids stimulates the growth of Propionibacterium acnes, which increases the chances of developing acne. Some years back researchers found this and made many notes about it. That study suggests that steroids use changes Propionibacterium acnes from ordinary pimple bacteria into rampant acne bacteria. Therefore treating the effected around with a antifungal cream and such as Nizoral cream or even dry powder spray for athletes foot and jock it can assist..

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Methods for treating hormonal and steroid related acne
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Before I waste time talking about what can trigger acne, like "estro levels", bacteria, hormonal fluctuations etc. etc., I'll get right to the point and talk about treatment.. Your treatment will be done in phases and I promise it will have amazing results..

Go to a local Dollar Tree, or Dollar General (whatever there's a main/huge dollar store chain in your area)..You can purchase products there for pennies on dollar compared to name brands that range from 4-8$ at leading stores.. Major savings, plus you can bath in these due to how inexpensive they are..

1st -
You'll need Salicylic acid wash, there's actual a few different types when it concerns the product carrier vehicle.. There's a cleanse white cream (body wash) & there's liquid soup body wash salicylic acid.. You'll need both as I will explain a bit later..
2nd - Pears Glycerin soap.. This is not made with any synthetic compounds, dyes, perfumes nor does it possess anti-bacteria agents (these are not good for the skin as they will kill off good and bad bac, leaving exposure for more acne onset, there needs to be a balance)..
Pears glycerin soap is actually over 200 years old, and is one of the best products you can use for your skin. It doesn't over dry your face which can trigger your dermis/glands to produce more sebum to accommodate the excessive dryness, this is NOT what you want.. The healthy balance with pears glycerin/transparent soap has been proven and derma-tested, and highly recommend over conventional synthetic soaps. (Avoid dish soaps or other soaps claiming to be heavy grease removal properties, these can induce greater outbreaks like I stated above, by way of hindering the balance of good/bad bacteria and by over drying)..
3rd - apple cider vinegar - Apple cider vinegar is so great for curing acne because it returns the acidity to our skin and restores that acid mantle. It also kills bad bacteria, removes excess dirt, oil and dissolves dead skin cells that may clog pores causing sebum to back up and formulate a cystic like acne.
4th - you'll need non-petroleum replenishing aloe vera, body gel for damaged dry or sun burn skin..( this will come into effect when using apple cider vinegar and 10% benzoyl peroxide, which can burn and over dry the skin at times, it soothes, replenishes and restores the balance in the skin without causing more brake-outs on the effected area, plus its great for after sun-tanning/beds)

Below is a pic of what the products/brands may look like.. If you notice the small travel size spray bottles, this you can use by filling with apple cider vinegar and use while out on the road.. Easy, just spray effected area and/or cotton ball and rub area gently avoiding and small abrasions or irritation (avoid rubbing excessively, because small nicks and scratches or abrasions can trap bad bacteria and cause further unwanted acne)

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AM shower

1) When bathing use the pears soap ( avoid rags or bushes/sponges etc. etc., due to trapped bacteria that may linger, and to avoid skin abrasions), wash thoroughly, and repeatedly until skin feels squeaky clean ( I mean this literally)

2) Apply Salicylic acid body wash immediately after and repeat the same wash principles with the pears soap.. Allow this to sit on the skin without washing away for several mins, during this phase use Salicylic acid cream wash (non petroleum) and apply to acne areas and let sit.. Rinse after several min.

3) Using a new clean towel to dry off effected areas first before the rest of your body.. Once out of the shower and full dry, apply the 10% benzoyl peroxide to generously to effected areas and around, rub in until white color dissipates.. You can apply more with a paste base for areas that wont be seen!

4) During the day utilize the apple cider vinegar with spray bottle to effected areas, let it air cool, do NOT wipe it dry.. It may tingle or even sting, this is a good thing..

5) (late afternoon) Use a mixture of 10% benzoyl & non-petroleum replenishing aloe vera, body gel on effected areas.. You'll need to mix the both in palm of hands, just a little bit this time and spread/rub on effected areas..

6) Repeat step 1 and 4 before bed..

( During the night if you awake, have the apple cider vinegar bottle on your night stand, and spray area and let air cool)
Do this for 3-5 days.. If your acne doesn't begin to clear up you can become more aggressive with step 4 by employing it multiple times, with the addition of a 10min tanning bed session, however tanning beds are a hub for bac and are known to increase/agitate more acne.. You could also clean your bathtub with bleach (killing all bac), then fill with the hottest water you can stand and soak with Epsom-salt for 20mins)..

If you find this treatment to be ineffective, I would suggest contacting your physician and requesting a script for Bactrim, this is a SUPER POWERFUL antibiotic that has amazing properties for targeting the dermis layers and ridding almost all acne, with lasting effects..

One last tip, Salicylic SPRAY for hard to reach areas I love this stuff, or a daily cover-up that will target acne as a treatment option, but doesn't trigger an onset of more, however it needs to be Salicylic acid based.. Below is one that I use for spot treatment to not only treat the acne at its spot, but to somewhat hide it, and give me that sense of confidence back without feeling like there's a huge beacon light shining on my face for everyone to see.. You'll need to find what shade fits you best.. I have a darker skin tone so 70+ is what I use..
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Last but no least -Avoid these facial pad scrubs, like I mentioned prior about micro skin abrasions and irritation, these are notorious for being a culprit to prolonging the unwanted presence of acne, by allowing bad bacteria to penetrate the opened areas and formulate NEW acne.. However, if you use these, I soak them in my very own cock-tail, apple cider vinegar and use them to "dab" the area.
Also the addition of Tanning bed sessions at small time frames from 5 -15 mins x 2 a week can also assist with combating recurrences at the same time slowing down existing acne. An other great method is 4 cups of Epsom salt 2 x a week in a hot bath soak, not only is this very healthy for the skin and sore muscles but it can neutralize and dry out acne and kill bac levels with just about all types of acne.. You can alter and tweak due to skin sensitivity if need be..

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Ketoconazole shampoo 2%

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Try the methods below and if these basic applications fail to provide any results I would opt for "Antibiotics"..
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To name a few that come to mind would be Bactrim, Doxy, Erythromycin or even Clyndomicin (Clyndomicin is a very potent antibiotic and should be lastly considered due to building a resistance, it's mostly used for cellulitis and other major muscle compartment and skin infections).. Antibiotics can provide drastic and at times almost instantaneous results when combating acne and at times they possess long lasting effects while others claim to never again have any acne flare-up since antibiotic treatment. . Even the application of anti-fungal/antibiotic creams or anti-Androgen shampoos can prove one of the MOST effective responses to target acne, in fact I often advise Mupirocin cream 2% (Use cream base, not oil/petroleum due the the prescience of oil base clogging pours, the cream doesn't seem to have the clogging/congestion effect on the skin) and Ketoconazole shampoo 2%.. The combination of these have proven to be amazing and probably the most dominate treatment application one can employ ..The anti-androgen shampoo targets the receptors in the skin that are hormonal activated triggered by way of DHT (a very potent steroid hormone), bear in mind the catalyst for acne is initially DHT (an androgen) and the sebaceous activity it causes, this shampoo is a reducer and targets the receptors in which sebaceous is activated and the formulated that is responsible for creating acne in most adults that use AAS.. I'm confidant that this very last step mentioned here will provide drastic and noticeable results almost over night in most users. It has been the go-to resort for myself when having AAS induced acne flare-ups, I swear by it..


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When using accutane, your acne will in fact get a bit worse during the first several weeks or even the first month or so will using it but it will improve..
This is factual it will start to over exaggerate itself, but it will start clearing up and what would almost feel like record time.
You need to hang in there and give it time.
Stay hydrated, drink plenty of fluid.
Do not under any circumstances take hot or slightly hot showers. Have your showers where they're comfortably warm, kind of close to the cooler side.
Hot water is not good for your skin at all when using accutane.
My acne started festering for a few weeks, I didn't think that was possible considering how bad I already was. Between week 4 and week 6 is when it really started improving.

Give it time. It will be the best decision you ever made, and you'll get your confidence back and you'll feel better about yourself..

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Fish oil can help bad acne


Capsules containing EPA-rich fish oil don't help mild acne, but may well be effective against serious forms of this skin problem.
A small human study that nutritionists at California State Polytechnic University published in Lipids in Health and Disease has prompted this cautious conclusion.
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Acne, fatty acids & fish oil

A few centuries ago acne was a rare skin condition, but since the food industry has been stuffing us with polyunsaturated n-6 fatty acids acne has become widespread. One obvious theory is therefore that the balance between polyunsaturated n-3 and n-6 fatty acids in our diet has gone haywire.
The excessive amounts of n-6 fatty acids in our food have led to excessive production of inflammatory factors such as the arachidonic acid metabolites prostaglandin E2 and leukotriene B4. Both of these encourage acne, which is a consequence of inflammatory reactions.
If this theory is correct, then supplementation with n-3 fatty acids could improve the fatty acid balance and thus reduce acne. And indeed - in 2008 Canadian researchers published the results of a study in which they had given test subjects with acne a daily supplement containing 1 g EPA, 200 mg EGCG, 15 mg zinc, 200 mcg selenium and 200 mcg chrome, and after which they observed improvement. [Lipids Health Dis. 2008 Oct 13;7:36.]The tested supplement was one available on the market and yes, the manufacturer sponsored the study.

Study
Acne vulgaris, mental health and omega-3 fatty acids: a report of cases - Lipids in Health and Disease

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The researchers at California State Polytechnic University decided to see for themselves what the effects of fish oil are, and so gave 13 acne sufferers 3 g fish oil every day for 12 weeks. The supplement contained 930 mg EPA [structural formula shown below]. The supplement was produced by Cyvex Nutrition, but Cyvex did not sponsor the study.Results
At the end of the supplementation period all subjects had experienced a reduction in their acne, as shown in the table below. The effects were not statistically significant, but the table makes it clear that we'd do best not to ignore the effect of EPA.

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When the researchers split up the data according to the severity of the acne before supplementation started, their results became more convincing. Fish oil did not work for light forms of acne, or actually made it worse. But fish oil did have a positive effect on more serious forms.

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Conclusion

"Although we cannot draw any firm conclusions from our study with a small sample size and no placebo group, there is some promising evidence that fish oil supplementation is associated with an improvement in ratings of overall acne severity, especially for individuals with moderate and severe acne", the researchers write.
"It is possible that increasing the dose of EPA from 930 mg to 3–6 grams daily, as recommended for arthritis patients, would reveal more significant results."
"In addition, effects of n-3 fatty acids should be examined in cohorts of subjects with the same acne severity grades or lesion counts in order to isolate the potential effect on different types of acne severity."
Source:
Lipids Health Dis. 2012 Dec 3;11:165.

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Vitamin B5 beats acne part 1 - and Whey part 2 (a must read, 2 parts)

Vitamin B5 beats acne part 1 - and Whey part 2 (a must read, 2 parts)

It's all over the place – on websites and in health magazines you can read that vitamin B5 helps against acne.
And that may indeed be true, we concluded – the unwitting and naïve compilers of this free webzine –
after reading the human study published by researchers at Manhattan Medical Research
[manhattanmedicalresearch.com] in Dermatology and Therapy.
But we'd add immediately that you need a hefty dose of vitamin B5 to fight acne effectively.
Pantothen

The study was sponsored by Avilan Marketing. Avilan markets the supplement Pantothen – and indeed, that's the product that the researchers at Manhattan Medical Research tested.
They gave it to a dozen subjects, all of whom had acne on their face, for a period of 12 weeks.

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Pantothen
The study was sponsored by Avilan Marketing. Avilan markets the supplement Pantothen – and indeed, that's the product that the researchers at Manhattan Medical Research tested.
They gave it to a dozen subjects, all of whom had acne on their face, for a period of 12 weeks

The recommended daily dose is 4 tablets spread over the day. The 4 tablets contain 1.5 milligram vitamin B1, 1.7 milligram vitamin B2, 20 milligram vitamin B3,
2 milligram vitamin B6, 400 microgram folic acid, 6 microgram vitamin B12, 300 microgram biotin, 733.3 milligram L-carnitine and 2.2 gram vitamin B5 [structural formula shown here].
Yep, you're not mistaken: we're talking grams.

Study
The researchers gave their subjects 4 tablets of Pantothen each. A control group, all of whom also suffered from acne, got a placebo.
The subjects took the tablets at mealtimes.
Results
During the experiment the number of pimples, red spots and other acne symptoms decreased in both groups. But the decrease was significantly more in the experimental group than in the placebo group.
The hefty vitamin B5 supplement reduced the acne by two thirds. The photos below show what this means. According to the researchers, these show two typical subjects.

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The researchers also mentioned that no side effects were reported.

Mechanism
The researchers don't know exactly how vitamin B works. They suggest that it may be that vitamin B5 strengthens skin cells,
as a result of which they are better able to withstand infiltration attempts by acne bacteria.

Speculation
Strength athletes in particular are known to suffer from acne. We now know that whey can encourage acne (READ PART 2), and that anabolic steroids cause acne is old news.
Vitamin B5 supplementation may help to reduce the side effects of whey and steroids.

A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study of a novel pantothenic Acid-based dietary supplement in subjects with mild to moderate facial acne - PubMed
A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study of a novel pantothenic Acid-based dietary supplement in subjects with mild to moderate facial acne
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Part 2
Acne? Your whey protein might be the problem

If you suffer from acne despite eating healthily and training hard, it may be the whey protein you're using that's the problem.
The American dermatologist Nanette Silverberg came to this conclusion after studying five male teenagers who suffered from serious acne.
They all used whey supplements and their acne improved after stopping.
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Diet & Acne


Until recently scientists sneered at everyone who dared to suggest that acne might have something to do with diet. How could anyone possibly be so stupid as to think that a diet consisting,
say, of refined carbohydrates and industrially produced fats could cause acne? How could anyone possibly suggest that the big food giants,
that altruistically influence finance all that scientific research, would put products on the market that are not good for us?
Nevertheless there are studies that show there is a relationship between diet and acne. In 2002 Loren Cordain, founder of the palaeo-diet,
demonstrated that acne is not found among indigenous peoples such as the inhabitants of Papua New Guinea and the Aché indians in Paraguay.
[Arch Dermatol. 2002 Dec; 138(12): 1584-90.] Cordain ascribed this to the absence of food containing easily absorbed carbohydrates in the diet of these two population groups.

Milk & Acne
A few years ago Harvard epidemiologists published a number of studies in which male [J Am Acad Dermatol. 2008 May; 58(5): 787-93.] and
female [Dermatol Online J. 2006 May 30; 12(4): 1.] teenagers were more likely to develop acne the more milk they drank.
The chance of acne developing rose by a few tens of percent with an intake of more than two glasses of milk daily. Not much, but even so...

In another study the same Harvard epidemiologists also found that there was not only a relationship with milk but also with cottage cheese.
[J Am Acad Dermatol. 2005 Feb; 52(2): 207-14.] Milk contains whey, as does cottage cheese. Milk proteins contain about ten to twenty percent whey.
Whey protein is different from other proteins because it boosts the secretion of insulin significantly more.
Five case studies: acne & whey
If whey in our diet increases the chance of developing acne, then you'd expect to see that in young people who use whey supplements,
Silverberg reasoned. And hey presto: the dermatologist found five young men in her own practice with serious acne and who used whey supplements.
Two of them wanted to gain weight and three were using whey to develop more muscle.
Silverberg asked the five of they were prepared to stop using whey, but they refused. Whey seems to have 'addictive potential',
the doctor noted to her amazement.
But when the young men stopped using whey of their own accord after some time (which they all did) their acne became less severe –
and Silverberg was able to treat it with benzoyl peroxide cream or oral antibiotics.

Silverberg had already started using this medication on the young men before they stopped with the whey, but it had either had little or no effect.
One of the young men was in the middle of his second course of isotretinoin when he stopped using whey supplements.
His first round had had no effect, but when he stopped using whey his acne disappeared.
After her subjects stopped using whey Silverberg noticed a visible improvement within two weeks.
Conclusion
"Whey protein may be comedogenic in the susceptible host", said Silverberg in an interview with dermatologistsblog.com. [dermatologistsblog.com September 16, 2012] [Offline]
"Usage of whey protein supplements should be screened for when taking history from teenage males. A trial of avoidance or withdrawal from these products should be recommended,
particularly in individuals whose acne is not clearing well on standard therapy."
Source:
Whey protein precipitating moderate to severe acne flares in 5 teenaged athletes - PubMed
Whey protein precipitating moderate to severe acne flares in 5 teenaged athletes
 

Dogs_of_War

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Get Shredded!
I’ve never had bad issues with acne, but I’ve heard some guys on here recommend Dial soap.
 

zionoir626

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Personally, I hate all those acid washes..
Dries the Hell out of me..
Now only at a gram of Test do I break out..
Tried those acne soaps, felt like the Locke Ness with scales..No Thanks..

More frequent showers worked for me..
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Witch Hazel pads. Normally used for hemorrhoids because it’s anti inflammatory but it also kills the specific bacteria responsible for acne. It’s better if you could have been treating preemptively but that boat has sailed. I only use it when I feel my skin start to get that oily feeling like you know when you’re going to break out. Shower twice daily. Then use the witch hazel pads. Not a bad idea to use the antibacterial soaps like purel when you shower.

Saw palmetto theoretically as an anti DHT. I’ve found studies that say it works and others that say it’s anecdotal. But I use it religiously just in case it does help. I don’t have any acne. I’m running Sust, Deca, Tren, Eq, Mast and DHB. No orals.
No acne
I used to get terrible painful back acne in my 30’s on gear. So when I decided to start using gear in my 50’s I read and prepared. Everyone is different but I combined supplement recommendations and use them in simple label doses - nothing double or tripled what the bottle says. Zinc is one supplement for acne I use zinc, saw palmetto and witch hazel.

My personal belief is the witch hazel is the most important thing. But I have enough experience with acne that I know it’s time to pre-medicate. You have to wash often but once daily should be fine but if you work out after shower - you have to shower again same day.

But I can feel when my skin is getting oily and just dying to make some acne. When my skin feels that way I do a normal soap and water wash to the areas that feel ripe and ready, then dry and carefully use multiple witch hazel pads to face, shoulders, neck and my wife will help with my back but only if it has that “feel” to it. So far acne minimal.

But yes. Unfortunately everyone is different. I was however one of those guys. I threw away all of my pics from earlier days (yes the were Polaroids so f you) because of the acne.

And for people who manage estrogen by medication with anti estrogens when they feel symptomatic (nipple tenderness / itchiness etc) it’s a similar idea however if you use that as a guide - taking an anti estrogen means your body will choose to put extra test towards DHT (as in acne, prostrate and hair loss side effects) instead of converting to estrogen!

Disclaimer, disclaimer, disclaimer!!! I am not an expert. Just saying if your body is converting extra test to something you don’t want - it has to go somewhere. If you block one fork in the road - it’s gotta go somewhere else.

Go to the guru’s and look into Proviron!
There’s also some (though mild but worth its) other stackables that can help with conversion prevention to a degree.

Costly but avoiding physical cost vs $$$ cost is well worth it.

Prob is most Proviron on the market is complete bunk.

Pm me if you have questions about that.
 

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Additional results from my labs coming in every few days...Odd, considering I had them done 3 weeks ago. My DHT level is 20 ng/dl. That also is contributing to the acne issue. I also want to thank everyone for replying. Never too old to learn something.
 
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