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    Quote Originally Posted by Jpal View Post
    I thought the same thing which is why i was using a 1/4inch needle at the time. From everything that I have read online, it would get absorbed eventually but longer time to do so. However, I did bloodwork and i think i had 600-800 levels with 250 mg of pharma test e a week. Switched to an inch needle and levels were 1500ish after 5 weeks. (on the 8th day post injection)

    Hence why my original posts were very anti subq due to my bad personal experience with it. If you ever do experiment with it, I look forward to hear of your results if you pin subq for 6 weeks. Then try IM and compare the levels. But try to only pin subq once a week. If others are doing it successfully perhaps everyday subq injections are superior to once a week injections if doing subq
    I definitely will do this. I've been a pincushion for science many times before so may as well spark it up again.

    My working theory for your results (assuming all gear was the same, legit, bloods were done right, no mistakes anywhere, etc etc... no reason for me to think otherwise) is that you formed a few permanent sterile boluses/boli/abscesses in your SQ fat where you pinned and that led to low results. It seems like this would be detectable as lumps (especially if BF% is low) but I dunno if that's dependable.

    But we do know without a doubt this happens occasionally to us juicers from members here getting MRI / CAT scans showing multiple such benign abscesses accumulating over the years, representing a lot of "lost" pins, though it's a reasonable assumption this is rare given how reliably we do respond to legit gear, or prescribed pharma TRT oils, and "lost" injections are generally not worried about. Also reasonable to assume it's the long-time juicers at highest risk because of scar tissue buildup, as well as commonly using UGL gear with often a much higher inflammation response than pharma oils.

    I just can't see how the esters would disappear otherwise.

    Nothing I've read indicates they can be directly eliminated by the kidneys or even metabolized in any other way (aside from esterase cleaving of course) due to that big-ass ester hanging off the hormone and confounding any AR binding. Test-e and other oils are extremely stable, as we know, lasting for years on the shelf... certainly they degrade much faster in the hot and wet environment of body tissue but I haven't seen this be any sort of obvious issue in pharmacologic literature.

    I'm also curious about Test-e or -c half-life when delivered sub-q. This is pretty trivial to measure so may as well do it -- I'll pin a 7-day supply then get labs 2 and 7 days post-pin. That gets past the initial hormone surge (unless SQ depot delay is really slow) and onto a clean decay curve. I've done this a few times with test-e IM and always gotten a 4.5-day half-life right on the money. If you or anyone else wants to run these tests too that would be awesome of course.

    Thanks for bringing up this "issue", lol. This will be fun.

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    Some test injections hurt worse than others. For example SUS hurts like a mofo and I always used to get a lump and it would be sore for 2 days. It could be dirty oil as someone else suggested. Try running the syringe under warm water (leave the cap on the needle so you donít risk making the needle unsterile. Try to take a hot shower before injection and with the heated oil in the syringe it does seem to help. If you still become sore after injection Ice and massaging can be your best friend. I know people (me included) that massage the area before And after infection. Good luck pal.


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    What size pins do you use for sub q injections?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBear View Post
    What size pins do you use for sub q injections?
    Usually slin pnis 27-31 1/2" or sometimes smaller some times longer depending on where u pin

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    Quote Originally Posted by sicilian48 View Post
    Some test injections hurt worse than others. For example SUS hurts like a mofo and I always used to get a lump and it would be sore for 2 days. It could be dirty oil as someone else suggested. Try running the syringe under warm water (leave the cap on the needle so you donít risk making the needle unsterile. Try to take a hot shower before injection and with the heated oil in the syringe it does seem to help. If you still become sore after injection Ice and massaging can be your best friend. I know people (me included) that massage the area before And after infection. Good luck pal.


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    You think sust hurts more probably because it has prop in it. I would never subq a short ester. I can only imagine how that would feel.

    As far as pin size anything 25g-30g 1/2" to 5/8" will be fine. My doc prescribed 25g 1/2" to start and I've just been using 30g 1/2" slins. That pharma cotton seed oil can be a thick bitch though.

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