1st Cycle thoughts and advice

[Linvial]

So I’m starting my first cycle on September 1st. I’m doing a pretty easy going cycle of 400/mgs test cyp/week and 50mgs anavar the last 3 weeks. I have everything on hand for the full cycle and a full pct. My question is what does everyone think about doing 40mgs of Dbol for the first 3 weeks? I’m strongly considering it and just wanna get input from veterans in the anabolic world. I’m 32 in December for context. My bloods were done 2 months ago and test levels were embarrassingly low so don’t worry about the fucking up your hormones posts.

 

[PositiveVibes]

Welcome to the forum, you are in the right place. I'll let the veterans handle this one as I have not dabbled with Dbol yet.

 

[zionoir626]

You need to use the first 2 cycles to establish a basic foundation and personal knowledge..

I'm a firm believer that cycles 1 and 2 be Test E or C...Only..

Here's Why:
First Cycle 500mgs for 12 wks..
Bloods, before..half point and after day X(haven't used that term in decades)
The bloodwork will show you a lot..and you can figure out how 500mgs Effects YOU..

Second Cycle 700-800mgs for 12-14wks..
Same bloodwork protocol..
You may not need an AI at 500...
BUT
800mgs is leaning toward the high side..so you may require an AI..

By added compounds early on your trek,it's hard to establish what's causing What..

Take your time.... it's not a spirit..lots to figure out..
BUT
This will give you some invaluable data...
Data needed to Navigate compounds..

Z...

 

[220]

Great advice 👆.
It’s hard to go wrong with a test only cycle. If you add two compounds at once it makes things more complex. If you start experiencing negative sides you are left guessing which compound is causing the problem.

 

[zionoir626]

Baby Steps...
These are some of the Q's ...cycles 1 & 2
answer:
At what Test dose you Require an AI...
Bloodwork will show what 500 does...Moreover,what 700-800 does..

Does in screw with my liver values? Prostate? Kidneys ? Tri's ?
What my numbers are at 500 vs. 800
With other compounds added...How do you Really Know..??
Z...

 

[Onidus]

Welcome to asf!

 

[Pete44]

Good luck buddy but I would just run the test 1st cycle. For sure. Bloodwork and knowing how each compound effects you is a huge deal

 

[Matt88]

Listen to Zion. That is super solid advice like all the advice he gives. Goodluck and welcome to ASF

 

[Linvial]

You need to use the first 2 cycles to establish a basic foundation and personal knowledge..

I'm a firm believer that cycles 1 and 2 be Test E or C...Only..

Here's Why:
First Cycle 500mgs for 12 wks..
Bloods, before..half point and after day X(haven't used that term in decades)
The bloodwork will show you a lot..and you can figure out how 500mgs Effects YOU..

Second Cycle 700-800mgs for 12-14wks..
Same bloodwork protocol..
You may not need an AI at 500...
BUT
800mgs is leaning toward the high side..so you may require an AI..

By added compounds early on your trek,it's hard to establish what's causing What..

Take your time.... it's not a spirit..lots to figure out..
BUT
This will give you some invaluable data...
Data needed to Navigate compounds..

Z...

So how would you PCT from a test only cycle? I have Clomid, nolva, and hCG. As well as arimidex but I wouldn’t pct with that anyway.

 

[zionoir626]

All PED's shut down your natural production..PCT is designed to jumpstart your natural production again..a boost if you may..most(lots of factors) people will naturally recovery,but the faster you bounce back,the less you loose(gains)..

Once Day X(the last injection)happens,your body has to normalize..back to a baseline..bloods are very important here..comparing bloods prior(before starting)and after..give you of how it(the cycle) effected you system..

Hard to determine what did what with two or 3 compounds at once..but if only Test..You now Know(if Test only)
Exactly what Test Alone does(No Guessing)..

Now after the 2nd run of Test..bloods,PCT and time Off..All the Questions you have NOW..should be answered..for the most part..

Then you start slow adding the compounds that fit your goals,lifestyle and body...

I believe two cycles a year is more than enough..Slow and steady..and smart..

This Mindset...and strategy will steer you away from lots of sides,beginner mistakes and yield better gains and better...understanding of how EACH COMPOUND effects you..

So Down the Road..when something goes sideways..unwanted sides,crashed estrogen,raised BP or HR...
That Guessing is not necessarily and knowing Exactly...
What does What...to YOU!!

Hope this helped more than just You..Try and be patience and take things slow..You're injecting oil(carrier oil) which can be an issue to some..or an oral which is hard on the liver..Knowing the basics is one thing..but knowing how YOU respond is the Golden Ticket..

The Goal is to be a healthy Grandfather one day...Not huge in a coffin..!!

Z...

 

[latteguy73]

Welcome to ASF! I would keep it simple for 1st cycle and just use 400mg test and save the Anavar cycle when you’re trying to cut. I would wait on the dbol until you’re 2nd mass cycle . If you’re determined to use dbol for this cycle , I would up it to 4 weeks.

 

[gearhead80]

Welcome and I could not have said it better myself. These dudes got you on the right track.

 

[Draig]

You need to use the first 2 cycles to establish a basic foundation and personal knowledge..

I'm a firm believer that cycles 1 and 2 be Test E or C...Only..

Here's Why:
First Cycle 500mgs for 12 wks..
Bloods, before..half point and after day X(haven't used that term in decades)
The bloodwork will show you a lot..and you can figure out how 500mgs Effects YOU..

Second Cycle 700-800mgs for 12-14wks..
Same bloodwork protocol..
You may not need an AI at 500...
BUT
800mgs is leaning toward the high side..so you may require an AI..

By added compounds early on your trek,it's hard to establish what's causing What..

Take your time.... it's not a spirit..lots to figure out..
BUT
This will give you some invaluable data...
Data needed to Navigate compounds..

Z...

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