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Npp/deca vs test ratio preference?

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Interested in what everyone's preference is for the ratio of npp/deca vs test a week.

Some people like twice as much test, the same of each, a trt dose of test or no test and just npp/deca.

What's your preference for those who have experienced different dosages?

Currently on 500 test and 525 npp personally. Lethergic AF though but having good workouts still. Basiclly the only time I feel alive is during a workout.
 
Well sounds like your symptoms answered your Q..
 
ive always gone 1.5x npp over test and loved it. so test 300mg npp 450mg, barely any sides, great results.
 
Interested in what everyone's preference is for the ratio of npp/deca vs test a week.

Some people like twice as much test, the same of each, a trt dose of test or no test and just npp/deca.

What's your preference for those who have experienced different dosages?

Currently on 500 test and 525 npp personally. Lethergic AF though but having good workouts still. Basiclly the only time I feel alive is during a workout.

Bud
Do some more research..because what you are describing is the classic too much Deca/NPP..to Test ratio..and anyone that's knows anything wouldn't be recommending more Nor 19 for you....
 
Personally I don’t really have a preference. It’s individual. Some guys are good with no test at all as far as a blast. Some guys respond better to higher test. Some prefer the opposite.
you said you’re lethargic. Have you considered it might be something else besides your cycle?
how’s your diet? When’s the last time you took 7-14 days off or did a deload/cruise? There’s a lot of variables to consider. Are there any life stressors going on right now?
 
Nice. Have you ever went above that dose? Or do you get side effects from npp beyond 400mg? Thanks

Yes when I was younger I used higher doses but now that I’m 55 I just use the lower doses and get same results and no sides
 
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Bud
Do some more research..because what you are describing is the classic too much Deca/NPP..to Test ratio..and anyone that's knows anything wouldn't be recommending more Nor 19 for you....


You really come off abrasive lol. Has anyone ever told you that? I'm sure you are very experienced and have a ton of knowledge though so don't take that wrong.
I have did TONS of research. Ebooks, podcasts, forums, blogs, website, research studies, you name it. The majority of what I've read says it's user dependent. I'm not dismissing the classic response you speak of. Just responding to you saying I need to do research. But I will definitely continue to do more research and I appreciate your feedback.
 
Personally I don’t really have a preference. It’s individual. Some guys are good with no test at all as far as a blast. Some guys respond better to higher test. Some prefer the opposite.
you said you’re lethargic. Have you considered it might be something else besides your cycle?
how’s your diet? When’s the last time you took 7-14 days off or did a deload/cruise? There’s a lot of variables to consider. Are there any life stressors going on right now?

I had a deload gym week last week where I toned it down and didn't lift as heavy as normal. The longest I've cruised (gear wise) is like 2 weeks since September prior to September I was only on a cruise dose of test for several months. Diet hasn't changed. Macros are as they have been other than small increases as I gain weight over time. Life is good. Just the norm so no new life stressors. Marriage, kids and work are all good.

It very well may be something else though other than my cycle though. You make a good point.
 
I would lower the npp dose and see if that help or add Mast or Proviron. I’m starting Deca soon and will add both.
 
I would lower the npp dose and see if that help or add Mast or Proviron. I’m starting Deca soon and will add both

I ordered proviron a few days ago and it should be here on Monday actually because I had the same thought of adding it in. My sex drive hasn't been great. I perform fine. Just not thinking about it all the time which is very odd for me.
 
You really come off abrasive lol. Has anyone ever told you that? I'm sure you are very experienced and have a ton of knowledge though so don't take that wrong.
I have did TONS of research. Ebooks, podcasts, forums, blogs, website, research studies, you name it. The majority of what I've read says it's user dependent. I'm not dismissing the classic response you speak of. Just responding to you saying I need to do research. But I will definitely continue to do more research and I appreciate your feedback.

Zion has all the knowledge, sometimes being abrasive as you put it is the only way to make a lasting impression. That being said if you had out in the proper research you would have read many times over that to high of any 19nor to test ratio is going to make you feel like shit. Yes it’s all person dependent but for the majority it’s better to run test higher then the 19nor. You experimented and feel like shit so it’s time to follow the path that most people agree upon and see how you feel.
 
Thanks Life..
But I have much to learn still....

But to the OP...
You want some one to tell You want you want to hear or what you Need to hear...
But No..
Never abrasive..
 
I run test 200mg higher than all anabolics combined.... For instance, If I run 400mg Deca, Masteron @ 400mg. Then my test would be 1g.

Gram of test makes my nips itch just thinking about it
 
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Thank you for all the responses. This has been a valuable learning experience in that I've realized I never know as much as I think I know. There is always more to learn.

You guys are awesome and this is by far my favorite forum thanks to all of you.

I'll get my test and npp ratio sorted out this week and go from there. Thanks again to each of you. I'll try to report back in once I've had time to get the dosages adjusted.

Zion you're right. I need to hear what I need to hear and not what I want to hear.
 
Thanks Brother
I'd drop the NPP to 300 a/wk
And add either Proviron or some Cialis...

See how that works for you..if it helps you will probably have to do the same with Deca..if you have some issues with NPP...You Will more than Likely have them with Deca.. It's worth finding out How to make NPP and Deca work for you..I personally believe Deca is the 2nd best compound..Some small additions or tweaking the dose slightly,makes a huge difference in many..

Yrs ago I played with the doses of Deca to see how I reacted..went to 800mgs/wk..still no sides but the gains after 400mgs/wk,just not that noticeable..Risk vs. Reward...and cost vs. gains
Z...
 
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Thanks Brother
I'd drop the NPP to 300 a/wk
And add either Proviron or some Cialis...

See how that works for you..if it helps you will probably have to do the same with Deca..if you have some issues with NPP...You Will more than Likely have them with Deca.. It's worth finding out How to make NPP and Deca work for you..I personally believe Deca is the 2nd best compound..Some small additions or tweaking the dose slightly,makes a huge difference in many..

Yrs ago I played with the doses of Deca to see how I reacted..went to 800mgs/wk..still no sides but the gains after 400mgs/wk,just not that noticeable..Risk vs. Reward...and cost vs. gains
Z...

Much appreciated Z! I'll do exactly what you suggested. I have beligas proviron ordered from a sponsor and it will be here tomorrow so I'll be able to start that tomorrow.

On 300mg of NPP hopefully 500mg of test will be enough test to offset sides for me. I could bump test to 600 if I have to but I won't if it's not necessary. I have plenty of test on hand if it' becomes necessary to raise it though.

I've ran deca and I loved it. Great gains. I just never ran higher doses because I was worried about sides and how long it would take to make dosage adjustments. The highest I ever ran it was 400mg toward the end of the run and I regretted upping it. Idk what I was thinking bc the gains from 300mg was super solid and I should of kept it at 300mg. Was stupid. Live and learn.

Thanks brother!
 
Finding how to get the most out of Each compound is very personal ,But the norm for Deca/NPP is 300-400...
Just like PE do usually well with Test at 500-600...but once they eclipse 800...things start to happen..This is the No.1 reason to run the first two cycles with justTest...one at 500..and one higher,just to see??

But
Seldom ever done...then it goes sideways and they are on 3 compounds,two of which are New ones..
So...what is causing the problem..?? Who the Hell knows..Cycle wasted..Gyno..Who knows..??
We see this..Wayy too Much..Just a heads up on how things get from A to Shit fast...
Z...
 
Finding how to get the most out of Each compound is very personal ,But the norm for Deca/NPP is 300-400...
Just like PE do usually well with Test at 500-600...but once they eclipse 800...things start to happen..This is the No.1 reason to run the first two cycles with justTest...one at 500..and one higher,just to see??

But
Seldom ever done...then it goes sideways and they are on 3 compounds,two of which are New ones..
So...what is causing the problem..?? Who the Hell knows..Cycle wasted..Gyno..Who knows..??
We see this..Wayy too Much..Just a heads up on how things get from A to Shit fast...
Z...

Great advice/feedback! Thank you sir! Last question. Would you suggest 50mg a day of proviron given my intentions of running it along side test/npp? Or a lower/higher dose? From what I've read it seems that 50mg would be a good dosage but wanted to run it by you. Thanks in advance!!
 
With any New compound..start on the low end and just see how you respond..if good results are obtained at at a low dose..be very pleased and run with that..So,30 or 40 would be a good place to start..

With orals and short esters..within a week or two...you will know what's UP..
 
When I start cranking up the Volume with dosages, that's when I get more side effects. It used to feel great back when torqued up on a lot of test.
Now I keep my ratios modest and moderate, and I do more switching and rotating with compounds that I do with cranking them up. They're nothing more than tools, there's literally no need to crank them up with the "said ratios".. 600mg max with test cyp for me, and 300npp..
I don't do that because the test is double, that's just where I like to run NPP where it performs its best and gives its best, without sides. I between 300-600..
 
Update: Got labs back.
Total test 4600
E2 23
Prolactin 17.1
Progesterone 2.1

Hgb, rbc, hct all looked great
Liver and kidneys look great.
FSH and LH are in the dirt

Keep in mind I never used any caber or prami so the prolactin number wasn't messed with. Although I have prami on hand.

After my last response on 1/23 in this forum I dropped my npp dosage to 300mg a week and I added in 40mg per day of proviron per Zion. These two things seemed to help for a week or so but back to being exhausted with fatigue so I dropped the NPP for now and will continue to run 500mg of test only and go from there I also plan to keep the proviron going for now as well. I don't want to make to many changes as once. The proviron has been the magic I. Needed for my sex drive. Wish me luck boys. At least now I'll know if it's the NPP or something is just fucked in my body somewhere.

Current goal: cutting fat for 4-6 weeks in which time I hope to be feeling normal again. Will base my next blast off of how I'm feeling and go from there. After the 4-6 weeks I plan to bulk a while again. This 4-6 weeks should get me to the ab seeing territory I'm craving and make me happy to look in the mirror again.
 
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