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Does tren mess with your kidneys or liver?

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I’ve blasted up 800mg tren e week and100mg tren a day at the highest for a few months in the past. I’ve taken tren at varying dosages for lengthy amounts of time and it has never effected my liver or kidneys. It turns your pee brown because of metabolites. I’d worry more about cholesterol with tren than liver or kidneys. B12 can turn your pee Orange but it doesn’t mean it’s bad for your kidneys. I ran tren for over a year straight in the past and it didn’t effect my kidney or liver values.

Actually now that you mention it, when I use to take vitamins, same thing happens, dark yellow pee so maybe that’s not necessarily a negative indicator.
 
That’s insane, I couldn’t imagine running it for 12 months straight
I don’t recommend it. I was young and careless without many responsibilities. I was working in a club so it was damn near impossible to get fired. I’m also the type of person that likes to experiment and really push things to see what happens. I see people say less is more when it comes to anabolics but I honestly don’t think that’s the case. More is more up to an individual point. The more you take and that your body can handle the more you grow if you’re doing everything else correctly and consistently. It’s not healthy so you’ve gotta decide what’s right for you. Sure guys can grow on lowish to moderate conservative doses to a certain point but you’ll never maximize anything if you don’t really push the envelope. You’ll never get as big as you can and be healthy doing it.
 
In ANABOLICS 10[SUP]th[/SUP] Edition, I explained the not so black-and-white nature of trenbolone and liver toxicity in the following passage: “Trenbolone is not c-17 alpha alkylated, and is generally not considered a hepatotoxic steroid; liver toxicity is unlikely. This steroid does have a strong level of resistance to hepatic breakdown, however, and significant liver toxicity has been noted in bodybuilders abusing trenbolone. Although unlikely, hepatotoxicity cannot be completely excluded, especially with high doses.”
As far as the kidneys go,
Athletes who use anabolic steroids may gain muscle mass and strength, but they can also destroy their kidney function, according to a paper being presented at the American Society of Nephrology's 42nd Annual Meeting and Scientific Exposition in San Diego, CA. The findings indicate that the habitual use of steroids has serious harmful effects on the kidneys that were not previously recognized.
It seems like everything, in moderation all stays good abuse leads to
negative effects especially for those that might have an underlining condition already.
I don’t know how William Llewelyn gets so much respect. He’s not a scientist, dr, bodybuilder, steroid user, hell he just read a bunch of books and copied what he read and sold it. In fact he doesn’t have any credentials at all. He’s telecommunications guy. He uses the A/A ratio which is useless except on paper. He is not an authority and doesn’t understand how to look at some of the studies or literature he uses. He’s like an Alex Kikel, Broderick Chavez, Victor Black type.
 
Deca came close to match info the sex drive for me, or maybe it was the 750test, I dunno but it’s pretty wild. Got me telling my wife to act like she’s getting fucked while she sucks me off, dirty as fuck/down right degrading talk during sex, more pronounced and extremely vocal orgasms, rock fucking hard erections, lasting longer than Normal usually draw out a fuck sesh for about an hour, need to make my wife hold back her orgasm for half that time, so when she cums she really cums…shit literally has me eating her out while she’s bleeding and licking/playing with her asshole shit I’d never would have even considered before… so there’s that

Holy fuck! Sounds like you had the makings of a good porn flick there lol! Tren and viagra always has me fucking with the blinds open or fucking in places where we could easily be seen. Gf thinks its exciting so she’s always up for it if I am hahaha!
 
Holy fuck! Sounds like you had the makings of a good porn flick there lol! Tren and viagra always has me fucking with the blinds open or fucking in places where we could easily be seen. Gf thinks its exciting so she’s always up for it if I am hahaha!

Lol ya bro been there for sure. My girl used to love fucking in public. That’s actually how my first born was conceived lol. Been caught a couple of times. One time I had her on a picnic table at the beach and I look behind us and some fucking guy was sitting there on the bench jerking it, said NOPE closed up shop real fucking quick… lol what a fucking weirdo
 
Lol ya bro been there for sure. My girl used to love fucking in public. That’s actually how my first born was conceived lol. Been caught a couple of times. One time I had her on a picnic table at the beach and I look behind us and some fucking guy was sitting there on the bench jerking it, said NOPE closed up shop real fucking quick… lol what a fucking weirdo

Sorry man, I thought you'd be cool with it given the circumstances. My bad. :fapping:

If your tren was legit and you were dosing high enough, you'd have asked me to join in. Just sayin'.
 
Sorry man, I thought you'd be cool with it given the circumstances. My bad. :fapping:

If your tren was legit and you were dosing high enough, you'd have asked me to join in. Just sayin'.

Lamo I’m not doubting that, I was a different man then, nothing but my weak ass natty test levels running through my veins…no wonder my bitch ass ran, I’m surprised I was able to get it up…
 
But did you die on tren? No some guys have 10+ tren cycles under their belts and are perfectly fine.

Very true, I have had several good runs. I’m not saying oh no don’t do it but to deny some of the stuff that happens is one thing I won’t do. 4 iu of gh a day, 600mgs tren pw , 400mgs mast, 200mgs test was the best results run I have ever had. I’m in no way advocating against tren, just saying it did fuck with my head. I have the most loyal amazing wife a man could ask for and was convinced she was cheating on me. That being said that is probably something buried in me for some reason. If I could say one thing tren exposes everything good and bad. For lack of a better vernacular it makes “me” primal. The same could be argued for gear in general. If you are a tool it will make you even more of a tool. I do think tren hits the head more than most but like was said above that might not be compound it could just be me.
 
Anyone do 200mg a week of parabolan? Also with such a long half life can u inject once every 10 days or so or is once a week best?
 
I did 200mgs of Parabolan. I did 50mgs eod. It was insane bc my physique changed daily, literally I could see something new daily.

I actually learned from a guy named Dan Duchaine, he taught me the protocol and said Wesley never go over 150-200mgs of any tren per week. That is the "MAX". I started out doing 25mgs EOD and I still got every single side.

I have a buddy that blasted tren 10+ cycles that I can recall and he got ZERO sides. I have no clue how.

I will say this, in my career with clients, I have NEVER seen a client that didn't have elevated liver values and kidney function diminished. Sometimes it was mild, sometimes medium, sometimes alot.

My buddy Josh, I never saw his labs (The kid who had no sides that we "saw")

I never let a new client use Tren. I absolutely will help a veteran client prepare for tren and combat it if need be.

Tren didn't really make me mad. Dbol on the other hand makes me a mad man. I actually dumped a few hundred dbol in like 2008? I came home after having a horrific episode on it. I couldn't even stand myself on it. I tossed it all and have never and will never use it again. I have to admit I have seen and heard guys say the same for tren.

I had Fina Pellets back in the day. Anyone remember those. That stuff was amazing.
 
Also prami really helps tren mental sides as it's perescribed for certain mental condition as well as restless leg syndrome.
 
I did 200mgs of Parabolan. I did 50mgs eod. It was insane bc my physique changed daily, literally I could see something new daily.

I actually learned from a guy named Dan Duchaine, he taught me the protocol and said Wesley never go over 150-200mgs of any tren per week. That is the "MAX". I started out doing 25mgs EOD and I still got every single side.

I have a buddy that blasted tren 10+ cycles that I can recall and he got ZERO sides. I have no clue how.

I will say this, in my career with clients, I have NEVER seen a client that didn't have elevated liver values and kidney function diminished. Sometimes it was mild, sometimes medium, sometimes alot.

My buddy Josh, I never saw his labs (The kid who had no sides that we "saw")

I never let a new client use Tren. I absolutely will help a veteran client prepare for tren and combat it if need be.

Tren didn't really make me mad. Dbol on the other hand makes me a mad man. I actually dumped a few hundred dbol in like 2008? I came home after having a horrific episode on it. I couldn't even stand myself on it. I tossed it all and have never and will never use it again. I have to admit I have seen and heard guys say the same for tren.

I had Fina Pellets back in the day. Anyone remember those. That stuff was amazing.

Use to buy Fina pellets for $38... then bought finakits and brewed a ton of the shit.... Very good stuff. ParaBOLAN will forever be my fave form of Tren. Too bad I dont run Tren anymore!
 
I’ve blasted up 800mg tren e week and100mg tren a day at the highest for a few months in the past. I’ve taken tren at varying dosages for lengthy amounts of time and it has never effected my liver or kidneys. It turns your pee brown because of metabolites. I’d worry more about cholesterol with tren than liver or kidneys. B12 can turn your pee Orange but it doesn’t mean it’s bad for your kidneys. I ran tren for over a year straight in the past and it didn’t effect my kidney or liver values.

Sky high cholesterol, which tren absolutely contributes to, is directly causing a fatty liver and cirrhosis, eventually. Tren absolutely effects your liver. You just might not see it in the liver values when you get blood work.

Let's don't get started on the other effects of the cholesterol as you get older
 
Deca came close to match info the sex drive for me, or maybe it was the 750test, I dunno but it’s pretty wild. Got me telling my wife to act like she’s getting fucked while she sucks me off, dirty as fuck/down right degrading talk during sex, more pronounced and extremely vocal orgasms, rock fucking hard erections, lasting longer than Normal usually draw out a fuck sesh for about an hour, need to make my wife hold back her orgasm for half that time, so when she cums she really cums…shit literally has me eating her out while she’s bleeding and licking/playing with her asshole shit I’d never would have even considered before… so there’s that

Deca for me it is! LMAO. I do love the tren though...damn
 
Sky high cholesterol, which tren absolutely contributes to, is directly causing a fatty liver and cirrhosis, eventually. Tren absolutely effects your liver. You just might not see it in the liver values when you get blood work.

Let's don't get started on the other effects of the cholesterol as you get older
Don’t speak in absolutes. It raised my cholesterol but not crazy high. I’ve been doing this for 17 or 18 years and I don’t have high cholesterol or really any negative blood work. At times things will be elevated but nothing crazy out of the ordinary and it goes back to normal in a couple weeks. So after abusing shit for almost 2 decades pretty consistently or even the times when I blasted tren to hell and back for a year I should’ve seen something bad in my blood work right? Not just elevated but still within normal range.
 
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Everybody’s body is different, but I don’t think anyone’s gonna argue that tren should be treated with care as it’s one of the harshER compounds. If your body is tolerating it you should have the common sense to know how far to push the dose.
 
Everybody’s body is different, but I don’t think anyone’s gonna argue that tren should be treated with care as it’s one of the harshER compounds. If your body is tolerating it you should have the common sense to know how far to push the dose.

There you have it. perfect answer.^^^^^^^
 
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Very true, I have had several good runs. I’m not saying oh no don’t do it but to deny some of the stuff that happens is one thing I won’t do. 4 iu of gh a day, 600mgs tren pw , 400mgs mast, 200mgs test was the best results run I have ever had. I’m in no way advocating against tren, just saying it did fuck with my head. I have the most loyal amazing wife a man could ask for and was convinced she was cheating on me. That being said that is probably something buried in me for some reason. If I could say one thing tren exposes everything good and bad. For lack of a better vernacular it makes “me” primal. The same could be argued for gear in general. If you are a tool it will make you even more of a tool. I do think tren hits the head more than most but like was said above that might not be compound it could just be me.

I had similar experiences on Tren. Lost two really good relationships to excessive anger and that 'primal" feeling... made some nice mistakes.

Glad I didn't end up in jail. I almost wished for someone to fuck with me just to get into a fight.

I loved the strength and aggression in the gym. I even tried to low dose Tren A. and eventually I was back to the same shit.

6 months ago I ran a test/tren blend and did okay on it. My wife is so good that I never lost my shit on her. She was also more supportive.

Have noticed increased blood pressure and heartburn in the past on this stuff. Also was short of breathe.

IMO it's not worth the risk of losing your relationship if you are someone prone to anger bc it will intensify that for sure.
 

Lol I don’t know and I agree with the statement that everyone reacts differently to different compounds.

I can take Methylstenbolone for 6 weeks and feel fine but tren feels like I’m pumping myself full of battery acid and turns me yellow.

I rage on it but I think it’s only because I feel so shitty when I run it.
 
Don’t speak in absolutes. It raised my cholesterol but not crazy high. I’ve been doing this for 17 or 18 years and I don’t have high cholesterol or really any negative blood work. At times things will be elevated but nothing crazy out of the ordinary and it goes back to normal in a couple weeks. So after abusing shit for almost 2 decades pretty consistently or even the times when I blasted tren to hell and back for a year I should’ve seen something bad in my blood work right? Not just elevated but still within normal range.

Respectfully bro, you are 37 and still "young." IMO when your younger, your body is more forgiving with abuse. Goes for drugs, alcohol, cigarettes...etc.

Just don't turn around in another 10 years with "issues." Running Tren for 20 years is the most I have ever heard anyone run it.

I know you are not big on cardio but I implore you for heart health to do something.
 
I will say this I am jealous to those of you who can use tren and have no sides. I genuinely mean that.

I've used every drug on the market in the last 25 years and I have to say nothing impressed me like the Positives of tren. I have used methyl tren a handful of times in competition (PL and Strongman) not many things come close. I'm also a fan of Trest, though admittedly I get less sides then tren.

Does anyone get horrific Insomnia on tren? I recall not sleeping more then 1-2 hours for a day. To the point that then I couldn't even train in the gym bc I was absolutely exhausted.

What a powerful drug. Who even invented it? I have to look it up now.
 
I will say this I am jealous to those of you who can use tren and have no sides. I genuinely mean that.

I've used every drug on the market in the last 25 years and I have to say nothing impressed me like the Positives of tren. I have used methyl tren a handful of times in competition (PL and Strongman) not many things come close. I'm also a fan of Trest, though admittedly I get less sides then tren.

Does anyone get horrific Insomnia on tren? I recall not sleeping more then 1-2 hours for a day. To the point that then I couldn't even train in the gym bc I was absolutely exhausted.

What a powerful drug. Who even invented it? I have to look it up now.

Never had night sweats.

I believe it was invented for use of live stock. The fina pellets.
 
From what I am reading here and other tren threads, tren seems to come with def, undeniable costs......some costs more significant than others for certain people.

Except for maybe curiosity's sake or experimentation, appears tren is better suited as a "competition compound"? Something you take when you have an event of some sort you are working towards?
 
Risk reward.... obv the tren results are very appealing but the sides could be life changing ie relationship down the drain, jail etc... I'll prob have to go on a meditation retreat before a tren cycle.
 
I will say this I am jealous to those of you who can use tren and have no sides. I genuinely mean that.

I've used every drug on the market in the last 25 years and I have to say nothing impressed me like the Positives of tren. I have used methyl tren a handful of times in competition (PL and Strongman) not many things come close. I'm also a fan of Trest, though admittedly I get less sides then tren.

Does anyone get horrific Insomnia on tren? I recall not sleeping more then 1-2 hours for a day. To the point that then I couldn't even train in the gym bc I was absolutely exhausted.

What a powerful drug. Who even invented it? I have to look it up now.

I’ve heard that’s pretty common (insomnia) … I had absolutely none of that. The night sweats did make my sleep even more interrupted than it already is. Kinda hard to sleep through the night when you’re literally soaking wet and the AC is full bore. Once I got up changed the towel on the bed, changed my boxers and shirt, and rotated pillows I was good for another 2-3 hours tho.
 
Anyone else notice tren fucked with their jaw line/shape of their face?
 
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