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    Quote Originally Posted by BodybuilderZepp View Post
    We really need to make a sticky here on what to do with PIP because these topics appear to often.

    Here are my tips:

    Draw and inject with different needles
    Massage the area after injection
    Workout the muscle you injected in the gym
    Use a heat pad when home
    Use icy hot on the go
    Keep massaging that area throughout the day
    Hot showers help
    Massage guns help too
    And make sure you are cleaning the top of that vial with an alcohol wipe, every time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by reddog309 View Post
    And make sure you are cleaning the top of that vial with an alcohol wipe, every time...
    Not gonna lie my stupid ass only does that half the timeÖ

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonsterMaker View Post
    Not gonna lie my stupid ass only does that half the timeÖ
    Just the air in your house is carrying dust and fuzz, my vial sits in the box in my sock drawer, you know I'm wiping that down every time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by reddog309 View Post
    And make sure you are cleaning the top of that vial with an alcohol wipe, every time...
    Yes, add sanitation to that list.

    Store vials correctly
    Alcohol swab bottle before drawing
    Alcohol swab area before injecting
    Never use the same needle

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    Making this a sticky

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    Cool..Thanks Mont
    First...the causes of PIP
    1..high concentrations of hormones..ie.Test 400 or more is very common..if this is the case,dilute it with another compound that doesn't cause PIP...
    2..Too much solvent or just a bad batch...this is common as well..
    3.. Virgin Muscle
    4..Just a bad shot...it happens
    5.. Allergy to carrier oil...becoming a common thing as well
    None of these should lead to infection but if it's red and hot...Something is off..

    What can cause infections..
    1..None sterile protocols,is usually the No.1 problem..either at the lab or at home..if it's the lab..Trash It
    2..Not rotating sites and over using same spot before absorption..

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    I just listed a few...
    This is an issue that comes up every other day on our forum..With new and older members..
    Guys and Gals...please add to this so we can cover most issues..

    Also,some home remedies and When it's time to seek medical help..
    Thanks to Mont for making this a much needed sticky..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonsterMaker View Post
    I would beg to differ lmao
    Right onÖ you got me there

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    Quote Originally Posted by zionoir626 View Post
    Cool..Thanks Mont
    First...the causes of PIP
    1..high concentrations of hormones..ie.Test 400 or more is very common..if this is the case,dilute it with another compound that doesn't cause PIP...
    2..Too much solvent or just a bad batch...this is common as well..
    3.. Virgin Muscle
    4..Just a bad shot...it happens
    5.. Allergy to carrier oil...becoming a common thing as well
    None of these should lead to infection but if it's red and hot...Something is off..

    What can cause infections..
    1..None sterile protocols,is usually the No.1 problem..either at the lab or at home..if it's the lab..Trash It
    2..Not rotating sites and over using same spot before absorption..
    Good point regarding high concentrations. In my case it was test 400. I prefer 250.

    Iím also proponent of two needles per pin, one to extract and one inject. Cuts down the risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zionoir626 View Post
    Actually I'd probably just go ahead and pop an anti if you have one..being hot bad sign..infection..
    Hey was it MCT oil..??
    Is mct known to cause pip? Iíve got a little pip and some of my gear is made with mct oil. Iím not worried about mine but I am curious.

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    Yes
    The protocols need to be explained in great detail..but
    I would perfer for others to chime in as a group effort on this Sticky..

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    84 what has happened to me is what is referred to as crawling..
    MCT is very thin and can be pushed out of the muscle into the layer between the skin and muscle..then it will actually move downward(gravity)..very painfull and it can get very bad.. usually takes a few days to dissolve..

    Using the Z method explained in a BD article explaining different injection procedures..
    I will try later to get that link up on this Sticky..Its just the trade off for wanting to use smaller needles..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bft84 View Post
    Is mct known to cause pip? Iíve got a little pip and some of my gear is made with mct oil. Iím not worried about mine but I am curious.
    I *love* mct. It's usually super smooth.

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    84 what has happened to me is what is referred to as crawling..
    MCT is very thin and can be pushed out of the muscle into the layer between the skin and muscle..then it will actually move downward(gravity)..very painfull and it can get very bad.. usually takes a few days to dissolve..

    Using the Z method explained in a BD article explaining different injection procedures..
    I will try later to get that link up on this Sticky..Its just the trade off for wanting to use smaller needles..

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    Just when I thought Iíve experienced all the different kinds of PIP, I get the mother of them all. I havenít heard a single member here say theyíve experienced what happened to me a few weeks ago. This shit was no joke and thought Iíd share my experience.

    So using a 1.5Ē needle Iím 99% certain I accident injected into the Piriformis muscle. The muscle is in the gluteal region, I think behind the gluteus Maximus. It also happens to be the muscle that is either touching the sciatic nerve or in some cases containing the sciatic nerve (nerve runs through the muscle) 75% have type I muscle/nerve anatomy, 11% have type II (see picture below).

    So anyways the injection felt fine to me at first. But the. After about 10 minutes I started to feel a slight pinch in my lower back on the that side of my body I did the injection. I didnít think much of it and went to the gym by the time I left the gym I had this agonizing nerve pain from my lower back through my glute and down to the back of my kneeÖ absolutely debilitating. I could barely drive and it couldnít really keep my composure, I looked crazy because I would just be laughing because I was in so much pain. Sitting down was the worst and bending down at the waist would pinch it more.

    So I figure that after the injection into this ďvirginĒ muscle, it did what al muscles do the first time you out 1.5 mls of oil in itÖ it swelled up and knotted upÖ no big deal but when itís a muscle with a big ass nerve running through it, thatís a whole nother storyÖ

    Itís this Thursday will he 4 weeks since that shot and my nerve is still a bit aggravated. Weeks 1-3 there was zero improvement, hurt just as much as the first day. Then all of a sudden this last week it started to ease up. Donít need pain meds anymore. Iíd say itís about 80% healed 20% pinched nowÖ

    So just wanted to say this CAN happen. And it will probably have you a little worrried cause it is going to take a LONG time to heal, but it will heal.

    So if this happens to you all the naproxen and IBprofen in the world will not even phase the pain. Excedrine is literally a life saver. Brought the pain from a 8 down to a 3 or 4. Made it possible to function.


    Just wanted to share that experience as this sciatic nerve PIP is a whole nother beast and will not respond to everything listed above, and will take a long fucking time to heal.

    Best bet is to avoid hitting that muscle. Stick to a 1Ē needle and donít go too close inside towards your butt crack (pretty sure thatís what happened)Ö

    Hope no one else has to experience this one, learn from my mistakes.





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