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    High dosages test vs low dosages for better gains?

    I see alot of people using and abusing testosterone dosages and also abusing AIエs to combate sides , high estrogen and water retention. But you know AI kill gains of cycles because you need estrogen to grow muscle . This looks like the person that uses high dosages trenbolone and need cabergoline , tamox, AI , gaba, melatonin, xanax to sleep to combate or reduce the sides of the trenbolone . Why not reduce dosage for the sweat spot you can handle ? Of course . I always prefer more drugs using less dosages than using higher dosages of one drug only.
    And testosterone is the same , try to find your sweat spot on test dosage that you dont aromatize to much and run it without any AI ( less drugs , less stress on liver, less money expend , more health ).

    What do you think give better gains ?

    500mg test without AI

    or

    1500mg test week with 1 adex ED

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    Definitely finding the sweet spot without the use of serms/AI would be my choice vs high mg everything. But, the gains are definitely attractive to guys; just jump on a high mg and use the ai/Serms to control sides. I would guess that the younger a person is harder it would be to use low mg. But; the more experienced, older athlete who wants longevity in the sport/lifestyle always will choose the low mg ; better diet , and supplements to gain slower over time.

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    I知 a newbie but with no diet changed. Taking test from 500 no AI to 750 .5 adex 3x a week, it was a whole new ball game as far as growth . I think I値l take the 750 with AI. At least for now

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    I disagree with the tren. Tren is a monster of its own

    I've taken 600mg or tren with same sides as 200mg of tren per week. Anything lower then 200mg of tren I felt it wasn't worth pinning. Cost vs sides vs gains.

    But with the high test, reason for high test is you're (younger generation) brain washed with these famous body builders taking a gram plus weekly and you see that then think you need it too. My sweet spot is 750/800mg of test when on cycle, when cruising I sit right around 250mg

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    I also avoid AI/Serms ... but also like Mast as it allows estrogen to remain high, but reduces the sides. In 15+ years, I've never ran high test (over 800mg or so), but even at my higher doses, a bit of Mast dries out any estrogen sides and keeps libido in range - while allowing higher estrogen to get all the benefits. If I were younger and wanted to run 1-2G of test, I'd certainly up the Mast to find the sweet spot.

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    What is the highest you let your estradiol go with no AI?

    Quote Originally Posted by MONSTRO View Post
    I see alot of people using and abusing testosterone dosages and also abusing AIエs to combate sides , high estrogen and water retention. But you know AI kill gains of cycles because you need estrogen to grow muscle . This looks like the person that uses high dosages trenbolone and need cabergoline , tamox, AI , gaba, melatonin, xanax to sleep to combate or reduce the sides of the trenbolone . Why not reduce dosage for the sweat spot you can handle ? Of course . I always prefer more drugs using less dosages than using higher dosages of one drug only.
    And testosterone is the same , try to find your sweat spot on test dosage that you dont aromatize to much and run it without any AI ( less drugs , less stress on liver, less money expend , more health ).

    What do you think give better gains ?

    500mg test without AI

    or

    1500mg test week with 1 adex ED

    Monstro

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM19 View Post
    I also avoid AI/Serms ... but also like Mast as it allows estrogen to remain high, but reduces the sides. In 15+ years, I've never ran high test (over 800mg or so), but even at my higher doses, a bit of Mast dries out any estrogen sides and keeps libido in range - while allowing higher estrogen to get all the benefits. If I were younger and wanted to run 1-2G of test, I'd certainly up the Mast to find the sweet spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dano22 View Post
    I知 a newbie but with no diet changed. Taking test from 500 no AI to 750 .5 adex 3x a week, it was a whole new ball game as far as growth . I think I値l take the 750 with AI. At least for now
    I致e been at this off and on for a long time but the older I致e gotten I tend to lean towards a more conservative to moderate way of thinking concerning dosages. I知 not opposed to higher dosages if that痴 what you need but as for me I知 settling in the sweet spot. I tend to be fairly prone to estrogenic side effects so I do have to utilize an AI at times but as minimally as possible. Currently I知 also at 750 test per week, 300 npp, and .5mg adex 2-3 times. There痴 just no sense in having to take more drugs to counteract other drugs for me personally. Small amounts of an AI is as far as I want to go with it. That being said I don稚 see something like trestolone being on my bucket list. Makes my tits tremble in fear

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    This conservative dosing only became really popular lately. I myself dont even go as high as 500 any more just because Im getting older and I dont see much more of a benefit but if you would have asked this question ten years ago with people like swiper on here being fucking massive posting about 6 grams of test you would have gotten completely different answers. everyone wanted to hit a gram of test at least. personally i dont really see the difference in running 500 mgs of 4 different compounds vs 2gs of test, when thinking about sides... Unless your only talking about estrogen... I mean mast would make me bald as fuck. Deca is doing to make me bloated as all hell.. Dont even get me started on tren... I guess primo is side friendly... but lipids are going to be side ways no matter what... I mean maybe you find a magical combo of 2 grams of various drugs that some how doesnt give you sides but that seems unlikely.
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    Test treats me well. Even at 1100-1200 wk my bp is a non issue. Adex doesn't help. Terrible AI. Aromasin all day.
    300mg sust/100mg mast/100mg deca M,W,F and 12.5mg aromasin 4 times a week. Of course 5iu overdosed gh and soon slin again so... 😁
    No acne, no deca dick, no bph thanks to cialis and aromasin. Having your thyroid properly balanced or in my case legit medicated makes all the difference in sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BTC View Post
    Test treats me well. Even at 1100-1200 wk my bp is a non issue. Adex doesn't help. Terrible AI. Aromasin all day.
    300mg sust/100mg mast/100mg deca M,W,F and 12.5mg aromasin 4 times a week. Of course 5iu overdosed gh and soon slin again so... 😁
    No acne, no deca dick, no bph thanks to cialis and aromasin. Having your thyroid properly balanced or in my case legit medicated makes all the difference in sides.
    Having said that after a long break i won't dive into a big dose. After just trt dose for quite a while i only bumped to 300mg, then 450, then 600. At least 8 weeks between each. No need to go big when less works first
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twk303 View Post
    I disagree with the tren. Tren is a monster of its own

    I've taken 600mg or tren with same sides as 200mg of tren per week. Anything lower then 200mg of tren I felt it wasn't worth pinning. Cost vs sides vs gains.

    But with the high test, reason for high test is you're (younger generation) brain washed with these famous body builders taking a gram plus weekly and you see that then think you need it too. My sweet spot is 750/800mg of test when on cycle, when cruising I sit right around 250mg
    If you one day take real parabolan you dont need more than 3ml week , i know some guys cant handle 2ml week . If you use real trenbolone 600mg is alottttttt

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    Quote Originally Posted by MONSTRO View Post
    If you one day take real parabolan you dont need more than 3ml week , i know some guys cant handle 2ml week . If you use real trenbolone 600mg is alottttttt
    The tren I brew is spot on, I buy from a well known raw source so knowing if it's "real" isn't in question.
    I ran both tren e and a with the same sides at 600mg, also ran the same batch at 200mg, same sides on both Intakes but different cycles.

    Tren hex I haven't tried yet, also same source. I can't justify the cost of it yet for me to dabble but I might try it next cycle with the tri tren I brewed. Total mg is 200mg, tren a 50mg, tren hex 50mg and tren e 100mg. Should give me a good feel for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twk303 View Post
    The tren I brew is spot on, I buy from a well known raw source so knowing if it's "real" isn't in question.
    I ran both tren e and a with the same sides at 600mg, also ran the same batch at 200mg, same sides on both Intakes but different cycles.

    Tren hex I haven't tried yet, also same source. I can't justify the cost of it yet for me to dabble but I might try it next cycle with the tri tren I brewed. Total mg is 200mg, tren a 50mg, tren hex 50mg and tren e 100mg. Should give me a good feel for it
    Go with real tren hexa only and you will see , less sides and more results

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    test without ai

    then stack another compound on top that doesnt aromatize as your main anabolic

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