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    Quote Originally Posted by BTC View Post
    Test treats me well. Even at 1100-1200 wk my bp is a non issue. Adex doesn't help. Terrible AI. Aromasin all day.
    300mg sust/100mg mast/100mg deca M,W,F and 12.5mg aromasin 4 times a week. Of course 5iu overdosed gh and soon slin again so...
    No acne, no deca dick, no bph thanks to cialis and aromasin. Having your thyroid properly balanced or in my case legit medicated makes all the difference in sides.
    What’s bph?

    So what’s so bad about armidex? What kind of symptoms do you look for before starting an AI? Or do you just run the aromasin off the bat as preventative like you said?

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    If you're not on a gram of Test a week, you're basically natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonsterMaker View Post
    What’s bph?

    So what’s so bad about armidex? What kind of symptoms do you look for before starting an AI? Or do you just run the aromasin off the bat as preventative like you said?
    BPH - benign prostate hyperplasia

    Arimidex and aromasin work by completing different methods. Arimidex can shit all over your lipids also.
    I run an ai because i know i need one. Things like mood, water, dick sensitivity ect, all dictate how i adjust the dose or frequency
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonsterMaker View Post
    What’s bph?

    So what’s so bad about armidex? What kind of symptoms do you look for before starting an AI? Or do you just run the aromasin off the bat as preventative like you said?
    Arimidex is another drug with sides and used for what? just to reduce sides from something you can reduce the dosage and dont use adex saveng money and health. It increases colesterol, hard on joints , and reducing estrogen to much kill your gains

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    Quote Originally Posted by MONSTRO View Post
    Arimidex is another drug with sides and used for what? just to reduce sides from something you can reduce the dosage and dont use adex saveng money and health. It increases colesterol, hard on joints , and reducing estrogen to much kill your gains
    Is aromasin ok to use ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankdoz View Post
    Is aromasin ok to use ??
    Wondering the same… still don’t foresee me needing an AI at this point since I’m almost half way through my cycle and have no sides, but I did just throw some Dbol into the mix and from what I’ve gathered Dbol converts very strongly, so who knows… think I’m going to have to get a bottle of aromasin just incase after reading this thread…

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonsterMaker View Post
    Wondering the same… still don’t foresee me needing an AI at this point since I’m almost half way through my cycle and have no sides, but I did just throw some Dbol into the mix and from what I’ve gathered Dbol converts very strongly, so who knows… think I’m going to have to get a bottle of aromasin just incase after reading this thread…
    If you need the AI you need the AI. Arimidex, like Letrozole, is a non-suicidal aromatase inhibitor so the risk of estrogen rebound is there, which is why people feel that Aromasin is superior.

    I guess the moral to the story is that you should try to keep testosterone at a "sweet spot" where you're seeing the maximum gains possible while eliminating the need for an AI (the more test in your system, the more estrogen in your system) and then utilize other non-aromatizing anabolics as well to carry some of the weight (these other non-aromatizing anabolics can also eliminate the need for an AI, like mast or primo). But regardless, if you're seeing estrogen sides, then take the AI. It's all a lot easier said than done and requires blood work and trial and error to dial in completely, I'm still figuring it out myself and different dosages and compounds introduced changes the equation yet again.

    Keep the AI and SERMs on hand and as far as the trial and error period goes, I would lean more to the use the AI first and then dial it back as you figure it out because in my opinion a little lethargy and dry joints is better than gyno. That's just my opinion though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankdoz View Post
    Is aromasin ok to use ??
    Aromasin is my choice but only use if needed .

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    Quote Originally Posted by CastorTroy01 View Post
    If you need the AI you need the AI. Arimidex, like Letrozole, is a non-suicidal aromatase inhibitor so the risk of estrogen rebound is there, which is why people feel that Aromasin is superior.

    I guess the moral to the story is that you should try to keep testosterone at a "sweet spot" where you're seeing the maximum gains possible while eliminating the need for an AI (the more test in your system, the more estrogen in your system) and then utilize other non-aromatizing anabolics as well to carry some of the weight (these other non-aromatizing anabolics can also eliminate the need for an AI, like mast or primo). But regardless, if you're seeing estrogen sides, then take the AI. It's all a lot easier said than done and requires blood work and trial and error to dial in completely, I'm still figuring it out myself and different dosages and compounds introduced changes the equation yet again.

    Keep the AI and SERMs on hand and as far as the trial and error period goes, I would lean more to the use the AI first and then dial it back as you figure it out because in my opinion a little lethargy and dry joints is better than gyno. That's just my opinion though.
    Rebound gyno isn't a thing for me but still why id never use adex. If the spca commercials are making me emotional or my dick sensitivity falls off, time for more ai. Always take it with deca cause obviously when you mediate the estro sides you have less prolactin sides. Deca without an ai for my test = bad low back acne. With it zero
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    Quote Originally Posted by BTC View Post
    Rebound gyno isn't a thing for me but still why id never use adex. If the spca commercials are making me emotional or my dick sensitivity falls off, time for more ai. Always take it with deca cause obviously when you mediate the estro sides you have less prolactin sides. Deca without an ai for my test = bad low back acne. With it zero
    You’re serious about the emotional bit right? I’m trying to get a good idea of what to look out for…

    What do you mean your sick sensitivity falls off? Like you feel numb?

    Since starting my cycle I’m hard all the time. My sex drive was annoyingly high before the cycle ( even with lower than average test) and now it’s through the god damn roof. Would be all fine and dandy if the mrs was in the same level….

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    Yeah im serious about all of it
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    Quote Originally Posted by BTC View Post
    Yeah im serious about all of it
    So what happens to your junk if your E2 is too high?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonsterMaker View Post
    You’re serious about the emotional bit right? I’m trying to get a good idea of what to look out for…

    What do you mean your sick sensitivity falls off? Like you feel numb?

    Since starting my cycle I’m hard all the time. My sex drive was annoyingly high before the cycle ( even with lower than average test) and now it’s through the god damn roof. Would be all fine and dandy if the mrs was in the same level….
    I ran a gram of Test on protocol to get bloods, thus could not use an AI but had to bail on that idea after about 3 wks.. had to jump on AI. Shedding tears during horror flicks was the 1st sign..itchy nips was another. You have to get bloods to really know, but there are "feels" that over time and experience you will learn when your e2 is out of whack. If you run gear, you need to do bloods or you're a fool, plain and simple.

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    Some people can take a gram or more of test with no AI and be fine. Other need AI on 250mg of test.

    I believe higher dose combined with AI will ultimately lead to a higher level of gains over time, because estrogen doesn't need to be as ridiculously elevated to maximize gains, the way testosterone does. So if you can keep your estrogen at a tolerable level with AI such as 30ng-50-or maybe even 100ng, while continuously increasing the test level that would probably be ideal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTC View Post
    Rebound gyno isn't a thing for me but still why id never use adex. If the spca commercials are making me emotional or my dick sensitivity falls off, time for more ai. Always take it with deca cause obviously when you mediate the estro sides you have less prolactin sides. Deca without an ai for my test = bad low back acne. With it zero
    Tell me about this rebound gyno…

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