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    Failure training

    Anybody here still go to failure now that you're older? I damn sure don't.

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    I do. I知 doing the DC 2 way split right now. The other style of training I値l usually go back to is Blood and Guts style. I知 36.
    whats wrong with failure?

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    After I stopped going to failure I stopped getting injured and experiencing CNS burnout. My joints wouldn't be able to take it now, especially my knees. I was able to still go to failure when I was 36, but there's no way I could now.

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    I do. I知 doing the DC 2 way split right now. The other style of training I値l usually go back to is Blood and Guts style. I知 36.
    whats wrong with failure?

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    Failure training

    I only go to failure on my heavy set. Like for squats right now I壇 do:

    135x10
    225x10
    315x10
    405xfailure

    I stop at 10 so I can kill my 405 set. And I dont stop on that set, but I only get around 6-8 reps depending how I知 feeling that day.

    Failure on lighter sets kill my joints, too many reps. If I can get 15 reps its too light.

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    Did not realize this was in the 40+ section, sorry guys, I知 only 30. But those are my 2 cents

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    On my good days I absolutely try to go to failure. Also I haven稚 had a good workout partner in years.

    It would be fucking awesome to go to failure every set every day..


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    I do a ton of volume and max 1 body part a month..
    It's about staying injury free while still growing..
    At my age injuries are just 1 wrong rep away..And nobody wants that..
    So..failure from high volume,Not heavy wieght..

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    Absolutely. Was doing 20+ reps on everything. But two weeks ago i switched to Doug Brignole training and i still go balls to the wall but im fuller and less sore
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    I still go to failure or close to but with lighter weight and more reps to help prevent injuries or aggravate preexisting injuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REHH View Post
    I still go to failure or close to but with lighter weight and more reps to help prevent injuries or aggravate preexisting injuries.
    This. Guys have a misconception that failure training low reps go hand and hand. Dante has a dc protocol for older guys.

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    I don't recommend any of my older guys to go to failure on straight sets anymore usually.

    There's just too much risk, especially when you've got a lot of wear on the tread.

    I DO have them go to failure on certain exercises at certain points in the workout with different set types though. Cluster sets, musclesl rounds ect. This is usually after a "heavy" set or two that's taken a bit short of failure.

    On that note though, not many people REALLY train to failure anyways. If you finished the rep JUST BARELY, that's still not failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    I don't recommend any of my older guys to go to failure on straight sets anymore usually.

    There's just too much risk, especially when you've got a lot of wear on the tread.

    I DO have them go to failure on certain exercises at certain points in the workout with different set types though. Cluster sets, musclesl rounds ect. This is usually after a "heavy" set or two that's taken a bit short of failure.

    On that note though, not many people REALLY train to failure anyways. If you finished the rep JUST BARELY, that's still not failure.
    Great point! Failure is failure, not barely getting the rep.

    I知 52 and go to 屠ust barely my last set on each exercise, and sometimes more. I work one muscle per day 6 days a week. 60-70 minutes in the gym.

    My problem is I want to go heavy all the time. I love it, addicted to it.. I can稚 bring myself to do volume. I知 killing my joints/tendons and I know it but still blast away. I致e now got a mean golfers elbow and jacked shoulder. I知 just stupid. Anyone else have this issue?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bdawg View Post
    Great point! Failure is failure, not barely getting the rep.

    I知 52 and go to 屠ust barely my last set on each exercise, and sometimes more. I work one muscle per day 6 days a week. 60-70 minutes in the gym.

    My problem is I want to go heavy all the time. I love it, addicted to it.. I can稚 bring myself to do volume. I知 killing my joints/tendons and I know it but still blast away. I致e now got a mean golfers elbow and jacked shoulder. I知 just stupid. Anyone else have this issue?


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    you can keep the same effort and lower volume approach, just do higher reps. Heavy is relative. Switch to 15-20 or even 30 reps. You値l still build the same amount of tissue and probably improve conditioning with it.
    My top set is 20reps and my widow maker set is a brutal 40+

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    Here's Dante's post from Intense Muscle:

    "For every bodybuilder post 34 years of age
    I have been meaning to write this for awhile and I guess Ill just write a shortened version of what I was going to write. There just comes a time in a bodybuilders life that I (personally) feel he has to make provisions for safety and longevity concerning bodybuilding. You really dont see tears and ruptures pre 28-30 years of age in advanced bodybuilders (unless dealt a bad hand of luck).....but you do see a plethora of tears in advanced bodybuilders in their mid to late 30's and 40's and onward.
    There really comes a time where you have to start getting cautious about these things and I believe that time should come (moreso depending on when you started lifting) roughly about 34 years of age.
    Alot of my ideas that are out there publically are built around trying to get beginning and intermediate bodybuilders up to advanced size as quickly as possible and most of those guys are 18-30 but I do know I have alot of post 30 years of age bbers following the gameplan also.
    The worst thing I could think of a 40 year old bodybuilder doing is trying to beat weights he used when he was 28 in a low rep range. I really feel it is not a matter of IF you tear a bicep or a pec or tricep but WHEN. Want a one way ticket to a torn bicep? Be 44 years old trying to curl 225 for 4 reps. Torn tricep? Be 42 years old trying to do 225 for 6 heavy reps in the lying tricep extension.
    I guess what Im trying to relay is I would like to see anyone who is post 34 years of age (doing my methods) to move rep ranges northward. At 40 years of age the very very very lowest first part of the rest pause rep range should probably be 10 reps and that again is the very lowest .......so I would probably be looking for something along the lines of a 15-30 rest pause for people post 34 years old. In a heavy barbell curl that could be 10+3+2 hypothetically. In a lying tricep extension that could be 12+6+4=22rp.
    In fact (quickly thinking here) the only exercise I could feasibly see you doing anything under 10 reps with (either straight or at the first rest pause mark) as an older bodybuilder would probably be overgrip deadlift variations where you could probably get away with anything above 6 reps still.......maybe first set 9-10 and second set 6-7 could be a gameplan.
    You can look at the rash of tears in the pro bodybuilding ranks with the older 35 and above bodybuilders and see that some kind of precautionary measures have to be taken here......it was very sad to see Chris Cormier this year with a torn tricep as "in my eyes" he has had the prototypical perfect blend of size and shape in the pro ranks for many years and now.......thats pretty much done with that scarlet letter of a tricep.
    There is no downside to tweaking your training this way, its not a "throwing in the towel" kind of syndrome.....its just a realization of aging and the caution that must go with it. If your doing an incline press for 11+5+2 with shitheavy weight and dont think you will be gaining muscle mass.....then your misinformed. Its about not taking chances whereas you could get away with those same chances when you were in your 20's with a heavy set of 5 reps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bft84 View Post
    Here's Dante's post from Intense Muscle:

    "For every bodybuilder post 34 years of age
    I have been meaning to write this for awhile and I guess Ill just write a shortened version of what I was going to write. There just comes a time in a bodybuilders life that I (personally) feel he has to make provisions for safety and longevity concerning bodybuilding. You really dont see tears and ruptures pre 28-30 years of age in advanced bodybuilders (unless dealt a bad hand of luck).....but you do see a plethora of tears in advanced bodybuilders in their mid to late 30's and 40's and onward.
    There really comes a time where you have to start getting cautious about these things and I believe that time should come (moreso depending on when you started lifting) roughly about 34 years of age.
    Alot of my ideas that are out there publically are built around trying to get beginning and intermediate bodybuilders up to advanced size as quickly as possible and most of those guys are 18-30 but I do know I have alot of post 30 years of age bbers following the gameplan also.
    The worst thing I could think of a 40 year old bodybuilder doing is trying to beat weights he used when he was 28 in a low rep range. I really feel it is not a matter of IF you tear a bicep or a pec or tricep but WHEN. Want a one way ticket to a torn bicep? Be 44 years old trying to curl 225 for 4 reps. Torn tricep? Be 42 years old trying to do 225 for 6 heavy reps in the lying tricep extension.
    I guess what Im trying to relay is I would like to see anyone who is post 34 years of age (doing my methods) to move rep ranges northward. At 40 years of age the very very very lowest first part of the rest pause rep range should probably be 10 reps and that again is the very lowest .......so I would probably be looking for something along the lines of a 15-30 rest pause for people post 34 years old. In a heavy barbell curl that could be 10+3+2 hypothetically. In a lying tricep extension that could be 12+6+4=22rp.
    In fact (quickly thinking here) the only exercise I could feasibly see you doing anything under 10 reps with (either straight or at the first rest pause mark) as an older bodybuilder would probably be overgrip deadlift variations where you could probably get away with anything above 6 reps still.......maybe first set 9-10 and second set 6-7 could be a gameplan.
    You can look at the rash of tears in the pro bodybuilding ranks with the older 35 and above bodybuilders and see that some kind of precautionary measures have to be taken here......it was very sad to see Chris Cormier this year with a torn tricep as "in my eyes" he has had the prototypical perfect blend of size and shape in the pro ranks for many years and now.......thats pretty much done with that scarlet letter of a tricep.
    There is no downside to tweaking your training this way, its not a "throwing in the towel" kind of syndrome.....its just a realization of aging and the caution that must go with it. If your doing an incline press for 11+5+2 with shitheavy weight and dont think you will be gaining muscle mass.....then your misinformed. Its about not taking chances whereas you could get away with those same chances when you were in your 20's with a heavy set of 5 reps.
    Rest pause sets of 15+ reps are not equal to straight sets of 15+ Reps.

    I would completely disagree that sets of 20-30 reps, if done in "normal" fashion promote growth in the same way that sets done in the 6-12 rep range do.

    If you mean rest pause sets or cluster sets, yeah. But, even those sets aren't really high rep. They're simply low rep sets with short test periods.

    Legs can be an exception.
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    Until i just switched up training to something new everything was minimum 20 reps if not more to goddamn near failure. You're still going to grow either way. No sense being in constant pain. I still bench heavy cause i enjoy it when i feel like it. If you're not competing in Powerlifting or whatever who cares about heavy heavy.
    Whoever said golfers elbow... that's an easy fix btw.
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