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    Big guy w/ low T trying to lose weight

    Complete and utter newb here. So forgive me if I come off an idiot or ask really stupid questions on basic, fundamental stuff.

    To begin, I'm in 35 and really overweight. Was working on it for 1.5 years before COVID hit and closed everything down. Kept my diet at ~2600 cal/day (according to myfitnesspal.com). Powerlifting workouts 3x a week burning 1300-1700 calories each time (according to fitbit watch). And in a year and a half, I lost 8 fucking lbs. Just 8! And only 1.5" off my waste. So it's not like I lost craploads of fat and gained tons of muscle. I got practically nowhere in 1.5 years.

    So back in October '20, I got my test checked at a TRT clinic. It was at 200. Which is less than half what it's supposed to be for my age. Had a lot come up in my life and wanted to think over treatment first. A month ago, I got routine blood work done by my physician and asked him to toss in a check on my T. Again, 200. The TRT clinic will supposedly get me on shots and testing for $200/mn (doesn't accept insurance). My doctor, though, won't do shit unless if my dick doesn't work.

    Here's the thing: My weight's at an extremely unhealthy level and I'm fed up with making ZERO OR NEGATIVE gains on it. I don't give two shits if it's "cheating" with roids to get an edge. And I'm willing to put in the work, as I proved before this pandemic. Am I crazy to get on TRT and/or use other gear to help me build muscle and finally drop the fucking weight?

    I'm trying to find a nutritionist now for dietary advice. And a trainer (preferably that does bodybuilding and powerlifting) for workouts. Preferably they will be one and the same person. But I'm hoping getting my test up too helps to correct things and make building muscle and losing weight finally possible.

    Does any of this make sense? Am I thinking like an idiot or missing something major? I want to loose 100 lbs, and that's just for starters to get to "merely overweight." Am I starting out right, or am I just charging at windmills here? I know jack squat about cutting weight. I just know one powerlifting coach on it who had low but better levels than me get on it and lose 30lbs fast, and another 30 in a year of working out regularly while building muscle. I could really use the help and am hoping getting my hormone levels right can yeild similar results.

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    Id personally say if the dr isnt willing to help test is cheap enough and theres enough info here bro where you can do it all yourself. You can order your own blood work as well. Id say you also need a serious diet and cardio routine as well.
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    Definitely get on a TRT dose while you lose your weight. 200 mg wk will make a huge difference.

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    Getting on a trt dose will prob give you the energy and get you feeling good about working out. You prob feel drained all the time with your test level that low.


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    I'm working on cardio now. I hate running and, honestly, can't do much of it right now. But with the warmer weather I'm walking more and getting active again. Plus, it gets me out of my house. Which I also need after a year of pandemic.

    The whole "Do you feel low energy" question doctors ask always seemed like bullshit to me. How would I be able to tell? This is just everyday life to me. How about we try something and give me a chance to see a difference?

    I'm not a doctor, just a biochemist, but it seems to me that if you're supposed to have X amount of an ingredient in a formula and you only have half or a third that, you increase the amount! Cause chances are, something's not working right without it.

    Assuming that the TRT clinic does help, is $200/mn even a "reasonable" rate for shots and testing? I'm hoping in the future, after I get the dosage locked down, to do the shots myself. Especially since the clinic is 40 min away. I'm also planning on taking mild stackers as well to see if that helps after I've had several months to determine the effects of test and how well I handle it.

    I'm patient. I'm not trying to look like Nick Walker in a week. Just want to see the scale go down, and hopefully at a reasonable pace, for a change as I build muscle too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbear View Post
    I'm working on cardio now. I hate running and, honestly, can't do much of it right now. But with the warmer weather I'm walking more and getting active again. Plus, it gets me out of my house. Which I also need after a year of pandemic.

    The whole "Do you feel low energy" question doctors ask always seemed like bullshit to me. How would I be able to tell? This is just everyday life to me. How about we try something and give me a chance to see a difference?

    I'm not a doctor, just a biochemist, but it seems to me that if you're supposed to have X amount of an ingredient in a formula and you only have half or a third that, you increase the amount! Cause chances are, something's not working right without it.

    Assuming that the TRT clinic does help, is $200/mn even a "reasonable" rate for shots and testing? I'm hoping in the future, after I get the dosage locked down, to do the shots myself. Especially since the clinic is 40 min away. I'm also planning on taking mild stackers as well to see if that helps after I've had several months to determine the effects of test and how well I handle it.

    I'm patient. I'm not trying to look like Nick Walker in a week. Just want to see the scale go down, and hopefully at a reasonable pace, for a change as I build muscle too.
    Weight loss is a marathon, not a sprint. Hows your diet looking? Are you tracking calories?

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    I agree. Step one should be getting your test levels somewhere near normal. We are close in age bud and when I was laid up
    a few years ago I had my test levels checked. It was like 180. My doc gave me the cream and it did nothing. I wasnt a newbie to roids at all but I still figured Id give it a shot. For me it was junk. As soon as I was able I did my own Test increase and you will without a doubt notice a difference in probably a few weeks. Your energy, libido, stamina, mood, etc. should all be increased tremendously with even 200mgs. Personally Id stick to going the legal route if possible. At least until you learn more and more about all PEDs and how they can help you with your goals.
    Get that test level up and see how you feel and what progress you have made with your weight and training after like 6 months. If you dont notice any significant change after that Id say there has to be some other issues effecting your weight loss as well. Just my opinion though. Good luck man and keep us posted. Im curious to see how this all pans out.


    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddy35 View Post
    Getting on a trt dose will prob give you the energy and get you feeling good about working out. You prob feel drained all the time with your test level that low.


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    Trt and cardio

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    One...ditch your doc and try one that knows something about trt (urologist is usually a safe bet). *IF* your insurance covers trt through a legit doc, it will probably be $10-20 a month. If not, you can always do trt clinics, but they screw you with the "no insurance" policies they have (hence the $200 month). Or...you can do it yourself, do your own labs, etc. Try finding a doc that knows about trt...remember, they work FOR YOU. If you don't like your doc, fire him and get another.

    Diet...there's a "bodybuilder's grocery list" thread here you can read up on. You should be doing lean meats, green vegetables, and your only carb sources should be oats, brown rice, sweet potatoes. If you want to figure out expected weight loss, find your resting metabolic rate for your age, height, etc. Your calorie intake should be 500 calories less than that each day. This will put you on target for one pound per week weight loss, just through diet. Consider whatever you burn through workouts as an added bonus. 2-3 pounds per week is a good weight loss goal. As mentioned before, it's a marathon, not a sprint. Shoot for 6 smaller meals per day, protein every meal. Without knowing all the details, 2600 cals a day is probably too much for you...that's probably more in the recomp diet range than weightloss diet range.

    Workouts...kick it up to 5x week. 20 mins cardio before workout and 20 mins after. Or you can do morning and evening if your schedule is tight. Cardio does NOT need to be running/jogging. You can find your target heart rate for calorie burn...more than likely it will be in the 120-130 range. A brisk walk gets most people into this range. With your weight, just walking a tiny bit faster than normal for you will probably get you there (this is not meant as an insult, but legit advice from experience).

    Gear is NOT going to make you lose weight. What you do in the kitchen is going to determine your weight loss. Period. A good trt protocol will help preserve your muscle mass and give you an energy boost though. So I highly recommend it. If you can afford it, a coach will help too (there's guys here).

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    Trt will definitely help but make sure you address other factors like adrenals and thyroid, if I had to do it all over again I would have gave those, especially thyroid equal attention. Now that I'm getting those dialed in I find less gear (trt dose to medium blasts) and lifestyle contribute the most to healthy weight loss and how I feel.
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    Just to make it clear, I'm NOT looking for "magic pills." But let's also be honest here: there are drugs that help. Particularly in building muscle, which burns calories, and that helps minimize fat storage. I'm not expecting TRT or whatever to do everything. But I'm sick of the chipper "All you need is diet!" bullshit too. That's a major component.

    But I've seen people do the dieting and still remain fat fucks because they aren't active. Workouts and muscle generation mean a lot too in losing weight. Especially for guys that aren't natural fucking beanpoles like my doctor. Hence the desire to correct body chemistry too, and possibly get extra help with stackers.

    My diet's not good yet. Was calorie counting before COVID. Got too hard and stressful after. I'm able to get the vaccine in 2 weeks, though. So I'm going to schedule with a nutrionist in April to sort that out.

    I'm moving in ~3 months to a house with room for a gym. I'm getting in the habit of cardio now (I currently work from home, so walks are easier to do). By then, I'd like to find a coach for training. I'm shit at working out when I'm randomly deciding what to do each time. And I'm too mentally drained from wotk to care about making a routine. I want that to be someone else's problem, and I just follow along.

    How do I find online bodybuilding coaches? I know one powerlifting coach. So he's a backup option. He's better than nothing. But the goals and methods of training are different. I'd rather have someone knowledgeable on how to realistically take fat asses like me and help me lose 100+ pounds, but while still gaining muscle. I'm not a twink. Don't want to be a twink. And I have no intention of ever becoming a twink. Might be vainity, but I want to look good AND like I can actually lift shit. I've got a broad build for it anyways.

    I'll get diet sorted out by the end of April. Plan to get on TRT soon after I move and rework my budget accordingly. I think the only other major part I'm missing is a trainer and routine? Is that correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbear View Post
    Just to make it clear, I'm NOT looking for "magic pills." But let's also be honest here: there are drugs that help. Particularly in building muscle, which burns calories, and that helps minimize fat storage. I'm not expecting TRT or whatever to do everything. But I'm sick of the chipper "All you need is diet!" bullshit too. That's a major component.

    But I've seen people do the dieting and still remain fat fucks because they aren't active. Workouts and muscle generation mean a lot too in losing weight. Especially for guys that aren't natural fucking beanpoles like my doctor. Hence the desire to correct body chemistry too, and possibly get extra help with stackers.

    My diet's not good yet. Was calorie counting before COVID. Got too hard and stressful after. I'm able to get the vaccine in 2 weeks, though. So I'm going to schedule with a nutrionist in April to sort that out.

    I'm moving in ~3 months to a house with room for a gym. I'm getting in the habit of cardio now (I currently work from home, so walks are easier to do). By then, I'd like to find a coach for training. I'm shit at working out when I'm randomly deciding what to do each time. And I'm too mentally drained from wotk to care about making a routine. I want that to be someone else's problem, and I just follow along.

    How do I find online bodybuilding coaches? I know one powerlifting coach. So he's a backup option. He's better than nothing. But the goals and methods of training are different. I'd rather have someone knowledgeable on how to realistically take fat asses like me and help me lose 100+ pounds, but while still gaining muscle. I'm not a twink. Don't want to be a twink. And I have no intention of ever becoming a twink. Might be vainity, but I want to look good AND like I can actually lift shit. I've got a broad build for it anyways.

    I'll get diet sorted out by the end of April. Plan to get on TRT soon after I move and rework my budget accordingly. I think the only other major part I'm missing is a trainer and routine? Is that correct?
    You're right there's no magic pills and the stuff that helps isn't going to do the work for you. And if by "stackers" you're talking about the prescription appetite suppressants and what not, if you don't learn how to eat and follow a fitness routine, how do you expect to keep the weight off once you stop them?

    Having said that, I'd definitely get that test up to normal levels. You can do that through injections but unless you plan to stay on them the rest of your life, you could drop back down after stopping and without the lifestyle changes I talked about, start gaining unwanted weight back. If you lost weight and lived healthier, you'd likely see your test levels a good bit higher.

    If I were in your situation, I'd use a TRT dose of test, and get on a SUSTAINABLE weight loss and fitness plan to make the most of it. No crash diet. No "stackers" at this point, whether more AAS or anything else. You don't need it and will likely end up back out of shape if you don't learn to live a different, healthier lifestyle.

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    Hit up montego1 for coaching. If he can't do it, he can point you in the right direction.

    I think Wes takes guys too....handle is gymntonic here.
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    I don't know what the different stuff is called without looking things up. Again, newb here. But by "stackers" I mean how test "stacks" well with tren because they interact with different chemicals/ receptors to promote muscle grow or inhibit fat cells or whatever. Certain anabolics attach to the same receptors, so "stacking" them yeilds pure results due to competition instead of cooperation.

    "If you lost weight and lived healthier, you'd likely see your test levels a good bit higher." Agreed. But having TRIED that (not perfectly, but not terribly either) and working out, and having lost practically no weight (compared to others eating the same "not ideal" way), there's something more than simply "eat better" that's wrong.

    Hence why I want to try TRT. 8 lbs in 1.5 years is ridiculous. Especially when watching calories too, if not macros. SOMETHING is up if others can lose a lot more weight without going on perfect, bodybuilder diets. I'm just frustrated at having seen no real benefit from all that work.

    Sustainable is what I'm looking for. I can't do crash shit. I know I don't have the temperament for that much suffering. And weight lose means nothing if I get it all back the moment I start eating anything remotely "normal" again. I just want to be able to weigh myself each week and see the trend line going down for once.

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    If you are as obese as it seems you are, TRT or all the gear in the world isn't going to help you. Your test levels are most likely low because of how unhealthy you, not the other way around. What you should be doing is diet and exercise. If youre not losing weight (especially if you have a lot to lose), it is because youre eating too many calories. The human body really isn't that complicated when it comes to this.

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