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To tren or not to tren, that is the question

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So I decided my first cycle back after not running any gear for over a decade would be test E 300 wk, mast E/P 600 wk (Pharmacom mast blend 200/100), and var 50 ed. Also I decided to throw in low dose deca only to help my joints, just 150 wk.

I never ran tren and was never interested but now for some reason I am. Could I or should I throw some in and if so what's a good dose for a tren virgin? I know I'm running long esters but I was thinking short ester tren in case I don't like the sides and want to stop. Or should I wait till next go around?

5'11" 190-195 10-12%
Goal is to recomp. Not looking to add too much weight on the scale. Add muscle and lose fat. Don't want to weigh anymore than 195-200. My diet is cleaner than it's ever been. Gonna do as much cardio as I can tolerate; back surgery a year ago so running on treadmill sucks for my back still.
 
Your first cycle on tren I would just go test and trenA. A is easier to adjust on the fly if you have issues with sides.. plus sides won't last as long. Good starting point would IMO be 300 mgs a week of trenA. If no sides push to 400 .

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I hate tren. I regret it everytime I put the shit into my body.
 
Why is that?
Everyone's different, but tren beats my ass so bad any progress I make is lost spent trying to recover from how beat up I am. By week 8 I'm so lethargic that I could nap after sleeping for 12 hours. And then wake up and nap again.
 
Your first cycle on tren I would just go test and trenA. A is easier to adjust on the fly if you have issues with sides.. plus sides won't last as long. Good starting point would IMO be 300 mgs a week of trenA. If no sides push to 400 .

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Agree. Test and tren only or test, tren mast would be OK. I strongly suggest you don't run anything else with it.
 
So I decided my first cycle back after not running any gear for over a decade would be test E 300 wk, mast E/P 600 wk (Pharmacom mast blend 200/100), and var 50 ed. Also I decided to throw in low dose deca only to help my joints, just 150 wk.

I never ran tren and was never interested but now for some reason I am. Could I or should I throw some in and if so what's a good dose for a tren virgin? I know I'm running long esters but I was thinking short ester tren in case I don't like the sides and want to stop. Or should I wait till next go around?

5'11" 190-195 10-12%
Goal is to recomp. Not looking to add too much weight on the scale. Add muscle and lose fat. Don't want to weigh anymore than 195-200. My diet is cleaner than it's ever been. Gonna do as much cardio as I can tolerate; back surgery a year ago so running on treadmill sucks for my back still.
I was in the same spot, started using anabolics again after a years laying off. I'll tell you this, starting out you don't need more than test e or cyp 500-750 mgs(that alone got me rolling again). But I suppose you could throw in a little deca or Eq. I wouldn't go much above that to start. That alone is going to get alot of muscle back on you, remember, muscle has memory so you're not the same as a first time user, the muscle will come quicker. After that, yeah, give tren a shot if you've never used any form of it. You're right, start with tren a so if you experience any bad sides you can stop and it will clear quick(personally I get none of these tren sides I hear complained about so much, but you may). Take it again with test, that's all you need. 500 Mgs test with like 50 Mgs a day of tren a. You can also do 75 or 100 eod if you don't want to pin so much, I just like 50mgs a day. Then if you tolerate it well you can up to 75 a day. I don't see the reason for masteron or anavar on your first cycle in 10 years but to each his own I guess.
 
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I'm about 6 weeks into my cycle with tren. Test e at 300mg a week, Tren e at 400mg, eq at 800mg and oil winny 50mg EOD.

My cycle is going to be around 16-20weeks long because of the eq and I added the tren in about 5 weeks in. Def not a fan. I literally feel like I'm in a mental fog all day and I'm becoming out of breath from just walking up stairs. Strength is up and I'm losing bf like no other but damn. Just not worth it.

That being said everyone diffrent. 90% of AAS users love the stuff
 
Your first cycle on tren I would just go test and trenA. A is easier to adjust on the fly if you have issues with sides.. plus sides won't last as long. Good starting point would IMO be 300 mgs a week of trenA. If no sides push to 400 .

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I agree . you should try tren a first (not saying to go that route). If you cannot handle the side effects it is in and out of the system much faster.
You could recomp instead of tren you could probable, use npp and eliminate deca also.

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I'm about 6 weeks into my cycle with tren. Test e at 300mg a week, Tren e at 400mg, eq at 800mg and oil winny 50mg EOD.

My cycle is going to be around 16-20weeks long because of the eq and I added the tren in about 5 weeks in. Def not a fan. I literally feel like I'm in a mental fog all day and I'm becoming out of breath from just walking up stairs. Strength is up and I'm losing bf like no other but damn. Just not worth it.

That being said everyone diffrent. 90% of AAS users love the stuff
When doing cardio on tren I have to get into a rhythm and then zone out or it will be impossible.

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I'm about 6 weeks into my cycle with tren. Test e at 300mg a week, Tren e at 400mg, eq at 800mg and oil winny 50mg EOD.

My cycle is going to be around 16-20weeks long because of the eq and I added the tren in about 5 weeks in. Def not a fan. I literally feel like I'm in a mental fog all day and I'm becoming out of breath from just walking up stairs. Strength is up and I'm losing bf like no other but damn. Just not worth it.

That being said everyone diffrent. 90% of AAS users love the stuff
From experience and being around a lot of users on this board after a couple of years, the majority of them hate their tren runs lol.
 
tren is the one compound you should have every ancillary on hand for, you never know wha sides you will suffer from
 
From experience and being around a lot of users on this board after a couple of years, the majority of them hate their tren runs lol.
Haha seriously it seems like It. I def don't feel like it's worth it for what I want to do. Just look good. Honestly test and winny are the two compounds that's made me feel REALLY good. Oh and clen.

Maybe I'll run test higher.then my tren next time. I've heard some people like it that way. But don't they fight for the same receptors ? So why bother running tren right?
 
already dicusedd how strong this drug is,,it pretty much make fellas with balonie genetic into bodybuilders... that should tell you how strong this drug is...
the doses: ofcourse you can see trenbolona work as low as 50mg every 2 day inject...you surly can,,you will look very good ...yet! with trenbolona unlike! with testosterona...the higher the dose ...the nastier and freakier the bodybuild become..and i mean it! ,, the bodybuild will see changes that he will sacrifice his social life for ...sad but true,,not theat bodybuild have social life but this is another story lol ,,
testosterona...the higher the dose...the bloofier you look unless you have gh running in system...with trenbolona ace...the higher you use the BETTER THE LARGER THE MORE CONDITIONED AND THE MORE S E P E R A T E D you look while testosterona puff your skin up,, trenbolona ace thin is down ! it eliminate the puffy skin and thus say bye bye to the bloofy look ,,it get the skin to a shrink wraped mode with time! it depends ofcourse on your begginign bodyfat level,, it will be diff for fella like tbom and fella like no one,,tbom it will take months....no one it will take 10 days lol actualy from the first day it will be going visualy its because the body is already in state of anabolizm and low bodyfat with no one and with tbom he has muscle but it is covered with water and fat and in the doubles....never the less tbom will be able to look like competetive bodybuild ...it will only take him another 2 months lol sometime 4-5 if body is realy stubbern and the fella love his ummm i dont know love his goolash and the higher caloric shit foods...still trenbolona wil cut through the fat like knife cut through butter and with months will bring tbom to the single digit and seperated like a competetive bodybuild...not top but competetive to begin with now,,the actual changes from tren ace and what to expect: i will talk about the typical 12-13% bodybuild not the single digit ones becaue the single digit ones are already know everything there is to know,, they may not be profesionals but they been in it for so long they can speak it in their dreams ,, so this is for 12-13% bodyfat rathr than 8%.. this are the changes you will see,, week 1,, you will feel pumped but insted of bloofy feel of testosterona pump you will have the feeling of pump from the inside of the muscle while the more self knowing individuals who recognize changes fast will notice their face ...yes their face taking a diff look ,,they will be the only ones who notice it ,, it is something you notice personaly since it is only the beggining and no one else that see you will notice ,,they will think you are crazy if you tell them anythign so keep it to yourself,, face iwll start getting the high boxer type of look,,hard to explain ,, it is week one so nothing visual yet aside from pump ...tremendous strength and i mean tremendous! big diff than what you were before ,,and when you will expect to see your midsection bloat...and say something is not right here the belly got to be bloated...you will take your shirt up and notice that no! it is actualy looking tighter!,, yes yes this is week 1! since you are 12% you wont see much more ,,obliqes will start being noticed well and the girl will comliment that this is the area of the body she like the most right before she sucking your cock,, she wil comment on it because she wil be able to see it on you : ),, remember this is after 3-7 injects of trenbolona ace into blood at 100mg every inject week 2-3 this is when progress being made and you start seeing your body transforms ,, still nothing like a pro bodybuild...nothing like top amatuer....but! you will start noticing that the pecs and delts are seperating,, they reduce fat yet remain full and start getting seperated as in water go into the muscle insted of outside of muscle,, this is a stage where you will still have water between skin and muscle so it wont be to an impressive level seperation wize,,but! the seperation will occure and in this 2-3 weeks try not to be crazy and dont take pictures every day ,, take them few times a weeek not every day you will go nuts,, trenbolona changes are only daily for the single digit fellas and the 8% and under,,so for you since you started 12% and now you are about 10-11.. try to not take many pictures every day because at this bodyfat levels pictures can be deciving ...one time you look great one time you look decent etc ,, not good comparisons,, at the end of this stage you will sit at high single digit sub 10%,, 9-10% week 4-8...this is when you will start getting comliments not only on how BIG YOU LOOK but you will start hearing the word LEAN ,, you will walk around and you will hear alot of wondering of how you got so lean ,, no one will say skinny ,, no one will say small ,, they will all use the word LEAN ,, lean this lean that,, still not thickly lean ,, the thickly lean comes little after down the road,, in this stage you get the YOU LOOK LEAN MAN comments,, this is when veins start becoming very visible in places you are not used to while sitting watching tv you will see veins on back of legs on forarms on inside of forarms on arms on traps on chest,, everywhere again it depend on how prone to veins you are but you will see the veins you have enhanced! ,,you will also get more serpeated and it will be to a level that when you take pictures you finaly will decide to keep them and wil feel very bad to delete them because they will look very good week 9 and on ... this is what seperate the REAL bodybuild from the wanna be ,, this is where the true mutation coming into play and you really start looking like magazine fella,, it is when you dont need to flex to see the seperated muscle in all its glory ,, it is when you stand and get compliments all over about how YOU ARE BOTH THICK AND LEAN aka YOU GET INTO A ZONE CALLED RIPPED AND THEN A BETTER ZONE CALLED SHREDDED,, those zones are again happeingn for you only after 2-3-4 of constant trenbolona usage because....you were 12-13% to begin with ,, and you had to build the trenbolona ace into blood and work that fat off with out cardio and with out losing even minimal power or muscle,, you also wanted to live normal life and eat pretty normal so this is why it take 2-3-4 months sometimes even 6 months,, in any case,, at the end of this stage you are a walking bodybuilder that is ready for stage ,, looking 4 weeks out on a regular basis ,, you pretty much look nicely thickly lean ...aka seperated to a very noticable level ,, you get a lot of compliments fellas dont mind complimenting but they need to see something worth complimenting to do so ...and in this stage you wil have it friends,, this is important stage past the 8th week it is important because the bodybuild start becoming a serious bodybuild and advanced level bodybuild,, this is also a godo time to re introduce gh ....and do them together ,, and cycle testosterona the RIGHT way so you keep getting drier or maintain driness while growing and dont kill the seperations and the lines you created in thsoe 3 months...rememebr even little amount of water kill seperation ,, and testosterona is BIG BIG ENEMY OF SEPERATION BIG BIG BIG ENEMY YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW TO WORK IT AND YOU NEED HGH WITH IT IF YOU GO HIGH DOSES ,, equipona wil be very good at this stage with the trenbolona ace and the gh ,,,tstosterona shoudl cycled in and out as in higher doses and then cruising ,, i much prefer you do it with propioneta or phnyl propioneta now,, this is a program for the average GYM RAT ,, aka someone who want to get into advanced bodybuild,, this is not for already advanced bodybuild,, advanced bodybuild are always lean ,, they never see 10% even when you think they are 10% they are 8% ,, they just hold water and puff themselves up some with balonie they play with ,, rest assuree of that,, so this program is for fellas who start 12-13% even 14% and want to get down to competetive bodyfat,,which is 6% or lower i wont talk of side effect since i alredy mentioned them in bible million times,, side effect from trenbolona ace = growth ! lean growth! ,, there are soem side effects that fellas have hard time with which i wrote about ,, some fellas cant deal with it ,, mainly mentally ,, but over all ,, trenbolona is HIGHLY HIGLY HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY and then some more highly important to get the look you all desire
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I don't fucking understand dannie. Sarcasm to the point of reposting someone else's garbage posts on a noob's thread?
 
it pretty much make fellas with balonie genetic into bodybuilders...

HAHAHA! That's me! I love/hate/love/fuckinghate TREN! It has done wonders for this hard gainer but I will not run it without 100MG of proviron ED to keep me sane and GW-50156 for endurance/cardio sides. I also need to prep my wife weeks in advance and remind her daily.. I'm on tren boo! I'd shoot that shit in my peter vein if I could! I'm 2 weeks out until I switch from NPP to Tren/var... can't wait.
 
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From experience and being around a lot of users on this board after a couple of years, the majority of them hate their tren runs lol.

Maybe a blessing in disguise since tren isn't benign like T. I always feel like it's slowly wrecking my health when on it, BP and bloods to confirm.
 
Love tren for the freak look it gives me! But hate it more for the bald look it gives me!


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From experience and being around a lot of users on this board after a couple of years, the majority of them hate their tren runs lol.

Man, I guess I'm just lucky. I ran parabolin(tren hex) for a year straight once back in like 1992 I think. I had absolutely none of these sides you guys are describing. Just dumb luck I guess.
 
Hate it! and Love it! Kinda like my gf.

Hate the sides, but fkn nothing can touch the magic it can do for you. First cycle was the worst. I can handle the sides a bit better now (been four or five years since my first tren cycle)

I cruised on 200mg tren added to my hrt for well over a year
 
Hate it! and Love it! Kinda like my gf.

Hate the sides, but fkn nothing can touch the magic it can do for you. First cycle was the worst. I can handle the sides a bit better now (been four or five years since my first tren cycle)

I cruised on 200mg tren added to my hrt for well over a year
This! Been wondering about this myself. I'm at the end of week 6 in NPP and just not that impressed compared to tren. I will be switching to tren at week 8 and add var for 8 weeks. I was wondering if I could cruise on a low dose for the summer with my trt.
 
No, not becuase i dont think you can handle it or anything like that but after not cycling for that long your almost like a steroid virgin again, your receptors will be extremely senesitive and you will respond INCREDIBLY well to the test and mast you have planned. Its like with any drug, the longer you use them the more you need to get the desired results, so you build up slowly. But if you jump straight to tren thats over, theres really no going back and doing things the correct way. Part of the reason we have new users just go with a basic test only cylce is becuase of lack of experience, but also they dont need anything more then that. I put on 28lbs my first test cycle at 500mgs ew, you can only add so much muscle and if i added tren to that first cycle could i have put on more muscle? Maybe a little bit but honestly much more could i have gained then 28lbs in 12 weeks? and i only dropped 5lbs when i came off so that was all the water i was holding so i dont think you can really expect to put on 23lbs of bloat free weight in 12 weeks even if i added more drugs. So take it slow, over time you will put on so much more muscle if you build up your cycles slowly and not jump straight to the most powerful drug we have for your first one. If your goal is to put on muscle youre not gonna put on much more adding tren vs running test this time aroumd. But after a while test just wont be doing it for you like it once was so thats when you add another compound, not when youre primed to make huge gains with just one. You can get into superb conditon with test and mast, or even just test alone. But youll really be doing a disservice to yourself if you dont take advantage of the gains you can make with just the basics at first.
 
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