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Dutch mast E labmax

Dema

Dema

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Here is labmax of Dutch mast e...

This is exactly why I use labmax .....

Tell me your thoughts....

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Right after adding oil
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Side shot
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After 5 mins uv b vial should be golden yellow
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Off to the garbage it goes.

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Off to the garbage it goes

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Wonder what it is. Legit mast E is some hard stuff to find. Have debated about using lab max on the DQ mast p I have.


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What color was a supposed to goto and what time frame? B looks like it turned the golden yellow color it should of.
 
No time frame.. But b should be golden yellow over time.... Pics aren't the greatest but I didn't see any golden yellow like the website.. I seen more of an orange. Light brown
 
Could the carrier oil change the colour as i have heard of this before.

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I studied the labmax video for mast e and had them up on my laptop for references and thought it was close but something was off.... When I switch to the mast p videos I seen much more of a match...

Not it saying this is 100% not what it is but my guess would be this is mast p not mast e.... Now I'm very interested in BC's piss test thing where you can see what's inside of you and will get this done eventually and see what's this is.... Now I'm wondering with that test.. How long should you be running the compounds before you take it..... Guess I'll send him. Pm lol..
 
maikolo33 said:
Could the carrier oil change the colour as i have heard of this before.

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No.... Labmax has already confirmed it doesn't matter what oil.. It's a hormone test, simple pass or fail
 
Dema said:
I studied the labmax video for mast e and had them up on my laptop for references and thought it was close but something was off.... When I switch to the mast p videos I seen much more of a match...

Not it saying this is 100% not what it is but my guess would be this is mast p not mast e.... Now I'm very interested in BC's piss test thing where you can see what's inside of you and will get this done eventually and see what's this is.... Now I'm wondering with that test.. How long should you be running the compounds before you take it..... Guess I'll send him. Pm lol..
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I would guess atleast a week.


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I don't see golden yellow in A, B looks on point for color after 5 minutes and the 12 minute just seems to begin darkening. This is on my phone though with a bright screen setting setting and no enhanced color profile settings .
 
Dema said:
No time frame.. But b should be golden yellow over time.... Pics aren't the greatest but I didn't see any golden yellow like the website.. I seen more of an orange. Light brown
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Brother, did you placed the order on Mast E yourself, I have only but great results.
I will post real lab reviews from independant test lab, not pictures that can be anything on boards.
I see you rep for other brands, it is pretty conflictual to post this while our brand is booming and the only returns we have are positive. It makes me doubt about the partiality of your judgement. Anyone today could place a Dutch Vial on a picture next to a labmax filled with olive oil.
Again, not accusing you here, but since you are raising doubts on our lab, I could as well raise doubts on your partiality.
You see my friend, if we have a problem with a production I am the first one to step forward and ship new vials to my clients. I've showed my implication before on those issues.
Now you come out of with a profile that has been cheering and repping for other brands, in a moment where we have only but great returns and no issue with our gear.
I would like to raize those points before even arguing about who did the test and how and what is the exactitude of such pictures .
Sergio
 
DUTCHPHARMA said:
Brother, did you placed the order on Mast E yourself, I have only but great results.
I will post real lab reviews from independant test lab, not pictures that can be anything on boards.
I see you rep for other brands, it is pretty conflictual to post this while our brand is booming and the only returns we have are positive. It makes me doubt about the partiality of your judgement. Anyone today could place a Dutch Vial on a picture next to a labmax filled with olive oil.
Again, not accusing you here, but since you are raising doubts on our lab, I could as well raise doubts on your partiality.
You see my friend, if we have a problem with a production I am the first one to step forward and ship new vials to my clients. I've showed my implication before on those issues.
Now you come out of with a profile that has been cheering and repping for other brands, in a moment where we have only but great returns and no issue with our gear.
I would like to raize those points before even arguing about who did the test and how and what is the exactitude of such pictures .
Sergio
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Too many lab wars and competition. This is why I don't sponsor any athletes or have reps on the boards, because I want complete impartiality on my quality.
Now I understand your actions if you are legit in your approach, but like I said, I have zero negative returns, this is why I am suspicious.
Last time when the other guy did his test and I had bad reviews, I shipped out about 200 vials to concerned clients. But you come with this test when I get only but great reviews.

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DUTCHPHARMA said:
Brother, did you placed the order on Mast E yourself, I have only but great results.
I will post real lab reviews from independant test lab, not pictures that can be anything on boards.
I see you rep for other brands, it is pretty conflictual to post this while our brand is booming and the only returns we have are positive. It makes me doubt about the partiality of your judgement. Anyone today could place a Dutch Vial on a picture next to a labmax filled with olive oil.
Again, not accusing you here, but since you are raising doubts on our lab, I could as well raise doubts on your partiality.
You see my friend, if we have a problem with a production I am the first one to step forward and ship new vials to my clients. I've showed my implication before on those issues.
Now you come out of with a profile that has been cheering and repping for other brands, in a moment where we have only but great returns and no issue with our gear.
I would like to raize those points before even arguing about who did the test and how and what is the exactitude of such pictures .
Sergio
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My reputation will speak for itself.. and there is need to slander other companies... and as I will say and every knows and believes labmax is a crude way of testing not the best. I do it as I've had positive results will labmax in the past?. now I've never labmax mast e before and have stating I will be running a much more conclusive test in the future... this is my findings everyone can take it how they want.
 
DUTCHPHARMA said:
Brother, did you placed the order on Mast E yourself, I have only but great results.
I will post real lab reviews from independant test lab, not pictures that can be anything on boards.
I see you rep for other brands, it is pretty conflictual to post this while our brand is booming and the only returns we have are positive. It makes me doubt about the partiality of your judgement. Anyone today could place a Dutch Vial on a picture next to a labmax filled with olive oil.
Again, not accusing you here, but since you are raising doubts on our lab, I could as well raise doubts on your partiality.
You see my friend, if we have a problem with a production I am the first one to step forward and ship new vials to my clients. I've showed my implication before on those issues.
Now you come out of with a profile that has been cheering and repping for other brands, in a moment where we have only but great returns and no issue with our gear.
I would like to raize those points before even arguing about who did the test and how and what is the exactitude of such pictures .
Sergio
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Reviews are one thing... do you have any other labmax test to compare to?
 
Dema said:
I studied the labmax video for mast e and had them up on my laptop for references and thought it was close but something was off.... When I switch to the mast p videos I seen much more of a match...

Not it saying this is 100% not what it is but my guess would be this is mast p not mast e.... Now I'm very interested in BC's piss test thing where you can see what's inside of you and will get this done eventually and see what's this is.... Now I'm wondering with that test.. How long should you be running the compounds before you take it..... Guess I'll send him. Pm lol..
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well since I just happen to be right here... the urine mass spec test I use still will not tell you the ester of the compound.. so if you shot say a gram of mast e over a 2 week period you would just come back positive for drastonolne..
anyway I dont see the big deal why people are so gungho to find mast e.. prob just because of the higher mg concentration.. anyway I mostly us mast prop... but if I use say geneeza .. its a mix of 150 enthate 50 prop for 200mg/ml
now the reason I know its not all prop when I use that is because it would hit me much faster if it were .. but end of the day the urine test just comes back positive for drost
 
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Pretty sure I recall a previous labmax somebody did on mast we may be able to find and possibly compare. It was some time ago that the one I'm thinking of was done and possibly of the old labmax kits as well. Demas rep is solid, I've no reason to question him and he's one of the most unbiased guys on here. Thanks for doing the labmax though!
 
There are so many variables to this issue hard to tell what to believe.

Labmax sucks, but mast-e raws have been an issue for sometime now. Plus the UGL is also at the mercy of a raws supplier that may have sold mast-e raw material that is something totally different. Not sure if there is a definitive melting point with mast-e or not.
 
Kinda close honestly. I'm not a labmax specialist but it seems like a rather crude way to test, I mean using indicator chemicals and expecting a certain reaction is hard to rely on when you throw a few other possible reactants into the mix. As in when putting a finished oil into the vial, you're combining numerous possible reactants, carrier oil, solvents, etc. This makes the outcome impossible to predict without knowing exactly what is in the vial and your finished product, and then having the knowledge to do the stoichiometry and define all possible products and where the chemical equilibrium lies. Then you have other factors to take into consideration, pressure, relative humidity, contaminates, etc, all of which change the stoichiometry unless properly controlled.

Anyhow, if I had the money I'd run the same labmax with multiple finished products from different vendors and with raws that are verified by melting point. But I don't, so that's not gonna happen lol
 
Dema said:
My reputation will speak for itself.. and there is need to slander other companies... and as I will say and every knows and believes labmax is a crude way of testing not the best. I do it as I've had positive results will labmax in the past?. now I've never labmax mast e before and have stating I will be running a much more conclusive test in the future... this is my findings everyone can take it how they want.
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Yes you are correct sir, I don't want to put your integrity in doubt, I've read some of your post, and they are quality posts. I just mentioned that you are 'working' with PharmaCom that basically is a major player in this industry, and that they see with a bad eye, small labs like us, that offers gears 30% cheaper, with Domestic shipments and personal service.
Now I had the right to basically put this into equation, especially that this post comes in a time where our lab is doing particularly good with a lot of members from this board.

Concerning the testing :
Obviously we could debate long on this, but there are conditions and testing procedures that are relevant and others less. LabMax is basically a nice way of checking if the source sends you olive oils or actual gear. LaBmax cannot determine with precision the quality of the gear, concentration and molecule with exactitude.
I can pull out a Labmax myself and also get similar results to yours.

Again, if I put myself in a dishonest way, I could also order lab testing on my gear and ship shit gear to my clients. Either way is possible.

What I want to do here my friends, like I expressed myself in previous post, is work hand in hand with the community. Because basically I don't care about selling more, I just want a nice and steady consumer base that are happy with my services. I don't have sponsored athlete, expensive banners and websites, and expensive shit to cover every month. I am happy with my clients getting back to me, and be able to exchange with them. That is obviously the difference between Dutch and the other brands.
So, basically, I don't care about lab wars.

And to get over this issue Dema, I am now ordering Labmax myself, and I am asking now the lab to test the raws from our suppliers. I don't let any doubt get in the way. And if my labmax comes out the same, or if I get any news from the raws, I will ship back to you all of your gear, you have my word on this brother.
Give me 2 weeks to get this situation straighten.

Sergio
 
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Skip Foursome said:
There are so many variables to this issue hard to tell what to believe.

Labmax sucks, but mast-e raws have been an issue for sometime now. Plus the UGL is also at the mercy of a raws supplier that may have sold mast-e raw material that is something totally different. Not sure if there is a definitive melting point with mast-e or not.
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Very true and the only way to really find out is to send to a lab and nobody got time for that..

Honestly I will say I'm glad it came back with property's of drostanolone. .. I adjust my cruise dose accordingly just in case. If it's e great more stable levels if it's p awesome I'll keep it flowing.... rather be safe then sorry but I do feel more confident this isn't another hormone or straight up oil..
 
GarlicChicken said:
Kinda close honestly. I'm not a labmax specialist but it seems like a rather crude way to test, I mean using indicator chemicals and expecting a certain reaction is hard to rely on when you throw a few other possible reactants into the mix. As in when putting a finished oil into the vial, you're combining numerous possible reactants, carrier oil, solvents, etc. This makes the outcome impossible to predict without knowing exactly what is in the vial and your finished product, and then having the knowledge to do the stoichiometry and define all possible products and where the chemical equilibrium lies. Then you have other factors to take into consideration, pressure, relative humidity, contaminates, etc, all of which change the stoichiometry unless properly controlled.

Anyhow, if I had the money I'd run the same labmax with multiple finished products from different vendors and with raws that are verified by melting point. But I don't, so that's not gonna happen lol
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Give me the name of a place in the USA where I can do this I come back with testing, I'll put the money into this,
 
Dema said:
Very true and the only way to really find out is to send to a lab and nobody got time for that..

Honestly I will say I'm glad it came back with property's of drostanolone. .. I adjust my cruise dose accordingly just in case. If it's e great more stable levels if it's p awesome I'll keep it flowing.... rather be safe then sorry but I do feel more confident this isn't another hormone or straight up oil..
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It is Mast E friend, I will put the money to prove it with testing, anyways, bros, I don't have bad feelings we are here to exchange and debate.
I really appreciate Dema how is acting as a gentleman, and how you position yourself,
Sorry I was afraid when I saw your PharmaCom Banner below your name, I thought again I had to fight against big labs,
 
DUTCHPHARMA said:
Yes you are correct sir, I don't want to put your integrity in doubt, I've read some of your post, and they are quality posts. I just mentioned that you are 'working' with PharmaCom that basically is a major player in this industry, and that they see with a bad eye, small labs like us, that offers gears 30% cheaper, with Domestic shipments and personal service.
Now I had the right to basically put this into equation, especially that this post comes in a time where our lab is doing particularly good with a lot of members from this board.

Concerning the testing :
Obviously we could debate long on this, but there are conditions and testing procedures that are relevant and others less. LabMax is basically a nice way of checking if the source sends you olive oils or actual gear. LaBmax cannot determine with precision the quality of the gear, concentration and molecule with exactitude.
I can pull out a Labmax myself and also get similar results to yours.

Again, if I put myself in a dishonest way, I could also order lab testing on my gear and ship shit gear to my clients. Either way is possible.

What I want to do here my friends, like I expressed myself in previous post, is work hand to hand with the community. Because basically I don't care about selling more, I just want a nice and steady consumer base that are happy with my services. I don't have sponsored athlete, expensive banners and websites, and expensive shit to cover every month. I am happy with my clients getting back to me, and be able to exchange with them. That is obviously the difference between Dutch and the other brands.
So, basically, I don't care about lab wars.

And to get over this issue Dema, I am now ordering Labmax myself, and I am asking now the lab to test the raws from our suppliers. I don't let any doubt get in the way. And if my labmax comes out the same, or if I get any news from the raws, I will ship back to you all of your gear, you have my word on this brother.
Give me 2 weeks to get this situation straighten.

Sergio
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Awesome.. always above and beyond for you... and you have a better way of labmax as you have raws in hand... labmax is much more clear to tell compounds using raws vs finshed oil... and i look forward to your test but I will refuse the offer of replacements if that comes... I'm a satisfied customer.. I will run a piss report and as long as there is drostanolone in there I'll be happy.. I won't be starting for a few weeks but I will be logging my progress and piss results when time comes
 
DUTCHPHARMA said:
Give me the name of a place in the USA where I can do this I come back with testing, I'll put the money into this,
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you cant . there is no lab in the USA that will legally test your raws or finished products and tell you what is on them.. the feds saw to that several years ago..
you used be able to get any bottle checked for $100... those days are long gone
 
Dema said:
Awesome.. always above and beyond for you... and you have a better way of labmax as you have raws in hand... labmax is much more clear to tell compounds using raws vs finshed oil... and i look forward to your test but I will refuse the offer of replacements if that comes... I'm a satisfied customer.. I will run a piss report and as long as there is drostanolone in there I'll be happy.. I won't be starting for a few weeks but I will be logging my progress and piss results when time comes
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Raws are in Europe but I will ask my colleages to do a labmax with raws. Thank you bro, always good to deal in a pleasant way,
 
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