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Basic guide to HGH

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The intention of this guide is to give you a good basic working knowledge of HGH
and how to intelligently use it. While this is not intended to cover every
conceivable nuance of HGH use, it should provide you with a solid enough
background to create your cycle around.

Few other hormones have
generated more excitement and hype in recent years than HGH. From reports of
incredible fat loss to tales of increases in lean muscle to levels that defy
genetics, HGH has been touted as one of the panaceas to all bodybuilding woes.
Depending on which statistics you trust, reports of as many as 80% of
professional athletes have experimented with, have used, or are actively using
HGH as a supplement to their training program.

WHAT EXACTLY IS
HGH?

Human Growth Hormone (somatotropin - also referred to as rHGH, HGH,
or GH) is created by the pituitary gland, the primary form consisting of a 191
amino acid chain. When we are young, HGH is in big part responsible for the
proper growth of bones, muscle, and other tissues. Too little of this hormone
and we remain dwarfs … too much and we become giants and/or suffer from abnormal
growth deformities. As we become adults, HGH is responsible for keeping muscles
from wasting away, supports healthy immune system response, regulates aspects of
our metabolic function dealing with increased fat metabolism and healthy body
composition in later life, and maintains and repairs our skin and other
tissues.

Our levels of HGH peak while we are adolescents and then begin
to drop off sharply beginning in our 30’s. By our 60’s, our daily HGH secretion
can be as little as 10% of what it was during our youth. Many of the markers of
aging are affected by this decrease in HGH. Some of the results of this
are:

· Increase in fat.
· Decrease in muscle and lean body
structures.
· Decreased skin texture resulting in a less youthful
appearance.
· Decreased bone density, onset of osteoporosis.
· Decreased
brain function, loss of intellect with aging.
· Decreased sex drive.
·
Decrease in overall physical and mental well being.
· Increase in sleep
disorders, lower quality of sleep.
· Depression and fatigue.

The
addition of supplemental HGH beginning in the latter 30’s can reverse or improve
these symptoms in the majority of people attempting therapy. This is why you
will often hear references with respect to HGH as “the fountain of youth” and
other similar terms. It can present a better quality of life for those
aging.

HOW IS HGH RELEASED IN YOUR BODY?

HGH is secreted from the
pituitary in a pulsatile fashion, generally following a circadian rhythm. A
number of stimuli can initiate an HGH secretion, the most powerful being short
duration, high intensity exercise and sleep. During the first few hours of sleep
(deep sleep stages – about 2 hours after you fall asleep), Somatostatin is
turned off and GHRH is turned on, resulting in HGH pulses.

Growth Hormone
Releasing Hormone (GHRH) produced by the hypothalamus stimulates HGH secretion.
HGH, and IGF-1 create a negative feedback loop, meaning when their levels are
high; it blunts release of GHRH, which in turn blunts the release of more
HGH.

Somatostatin (SS), secreted by the hypothalamus as well as other
tissues inhibits the secretion of HGH Somatostatin in response to GHRH and to
other stimulatory factors such as low blood glucose concentration. High levels
of IGF-1 also stimulate Somatostatin secretion.

Ghrelin is a peptide
hormone secreted from the stomach. Ghrelin binds to receptors on somatotrophs
and potently stimulates secretion of growth hormone. Ghrelin, as the stimulator
for the growth hormone secretagogue receptor, potently stimulates secretion of
growth hormone. The ghrelin signal is integrated with that of growth hormone
releasing hormone and somatostatin to control the timing and magnitude of growth
hormone secretion.

Once HGH is released, it is very short lived. It is
generally metabolized and gone within a half-hour. During this half-hour, it
travels to the liver and other tissues and induces them to secrete a polypeptide
hormone called Insulin-like Growth Factor One (IGF-1).

HOW DOES HGH DO
ITS WORK?

As mentioned above, HGH is short lived, but during its short
half-hour or so activity per burst from the pituitary, it exerts itself through
direct and indirect effects.

Its direct effects are the result of the HGH
binding its receptor on target cells. Fat cells (adipocytes) as well as myocytes
(muscle cells) have HGH receptors. On fat cells, HGH stimulates them to break
down triglyceride and suppresses the fat cells ability to uptake circulating
lipids.

Its indirect effects are in the process we described in the
section above. When HGH travels to the liver, one of the results of its pass
through the liver is the livers secretion of IGF-1. When this IGF-1 is secreted,
it stimulates proliferation of chondrocytes (cartilage cells), which result in
bone growth. It also plays a part in stimulating both the proliferation and
differentiation of myoblasts (the precursor to skeletal muscle fibers). IGF-1
also stimulates amino acid uptake and protein synthesis in muscle and other
tissues. Other tissues (muscle, etc.) are acted on by the presence of HGH, also
inducing their release of IGF-1.

HGH stimulates protein anabolism in many
tissues. This reflects increased protein synthesis, decreased oxidation of
proteins, and increased amino acid uptake. As mentioned above, HGH enhances fat
utilization by stimulating triglyceride breakdown and oxidation in fat cells
(adipocytes).

HGH can affect the function of other hormones. HGH can
suppress the abilities of insulin to stimulate the uptake of glucose in tissues
and enhance glucose synthesis in the liver, though administering HGH actually
stimulates insulin secretion and can create a state of hyperinsulinemia. This
combination can lead to decreased insulin sensitivity, which in turn can lead to
hyperglycemia. HGH can in the right circumstances also have a slight inhibitory
effect on the function of our thyroid hormones (and actually vice versa as
well), though this varies greatly from individual to individual. The vast
majority of users have no need to worry about this at all. Others wishing to
increase their metabolism or enhance certain of HGH’s functions may wish to
consider low dose thyroid to their HGH cycle. We’ll offer some strategies later
in this guide.

So, we are looking at a hormone that can assist with
maintenance and healing of most of the body’s systems, can create new cartilage,
bone, and muscle cells, can assist with protein uptake, decrease the oxidation
of proteins, and can accelerate the rate at which fat is utilized. This paints
the picture of the excitement that follows HGH. How then do we utilize this to
our advantage? Let’s take a look at some strategies.

HOW DO I INCREASE MY
LEVELS OF HGH?

There are a few strategies for increasing your own
endogenous production of HGH. For the most part these aren’t going to give us a
significant enough increase that would be necessary to promote all of the
benefits mentioned above in their full measure, but for some (those still young)
they will prove to be sufficient.

By adding several grams of Arginine and
Glutamine to our daily supplement program, we can increase our levels of HGH. If
we are very young or we are only in need of a modest jump in production, this
may well do the trick. Short duration, high-intensity exercise (think heavy leg
day – puking and all), will trigger our bodies to secrete a significant amount
of HGH

Another possibility is to inject various related hormones or
peptides. There are many available, such as GHRH, GHRP (and all of its analogs),
and the like. These peptides are available from research companies and when
injected at doses of 100mcgs per day, sub-q it does seem to show promise in
increasing levels of HGH. At this stage the game, there isn’t a significant cost
advantage to this over rHGH, but if we are trying to promote some of the other
forms of HGH in addition to the primary form, or have no hope of securing a
prescription for HGH (or other means of access) there may be an advantage to
this course of action. Aside from these strategies, what are we left with? To
state it simply, we need to inject exogenous rHGH.

INJECTIBLE HGH AND ITS
USE
True HGH only comes in the form of a lyophilized powder. Any other form
that you see advertised or run across is NOT the real deal. The only way to
administer true HGH is by sub-q or intramuscular injection. You will see studies
that use IV as their method of administration, but that is certainly NOT
recommended (in fact it is just outright crazy), nor necessary in any way for
getting all of the benefits HGH has to offer.

HGH is somewhat fragile by
nature, and it needs to be protected from light and heat. HGH should be stored
between 36 and 46 degrees Fahrenheit at all times both before and after its
reconstitution.

There are a couple of American brands of HGH that can
survive in normal room temperature for a reasonable amount of time BEFORE
reconstitution (Genotropin – 3 months, Saizen – until expiration), but for the
most part it is better to err on the side of safe rather than sorry. All brands
of HGH should be refrigerated after being reconstituted, and all brands should
be protected from light at all times.

RECONSTITUTING AND MEASURING YOUR
HGH
So you now have a vial HGH in the form of lyophilized powder. The amount
of this powder should be indicated on the vial somewhere. It will either be
stated in Units (IU’s) or in Milligrams (mg). If it is stated in milligrams, the
conversion is most commonly stated as 1mg = ~3IU’s (its really more precisely
1mg=2.7IU). We will use this 1mg = 3IU’s for our guide since this is the
standard most commonly referenced by manufacturers.

What we need to do
with this lyophilized powder is add some Bacteriostatic water (BW), Sterile
Water, or even liquid vitamin B12 to reconstitute it and make it ready to
inject.

What we choose to reconstitute it with should depend on how
rapidly we use the GH. Bacteriostatic water is basically sterile water with 0.9%
Benzyl Alcohol added, and this Alcohol keeps anything from growing in the water,
thus making it safe for injection for the longest amount of time, up to three
weeks. If the amount of GH in our vial is enough to last for a few weeks at our
desired daily dosage, BW is the wisest choice. For the common use for
bodybuilding (2-5 IU’s a day) and the more commonly used vial size (10 IU’s), it
isn’t really as critical which of the above listed dilutents are used … the vial
will be used up long before bacteria or anything begins to grow in our
reconstituted HGH. It is really personal preference outside of the
considerations listed above.

RECONSTITUTING






1.) Take an
alcohol swab and swab the stopper of both your HGH vial and the vial of the
dilutent (BW, sterile water, B12).

2.) Take a 3cc syringe with a 23 or 25
gauge needle (1″ or 1.5″) and draw up and amount of your preferred dilutent. The
amount isn’t critical, other than making sure you know exactly how much you have
used. The best rule of thumb is choose an amount that will make measuring the
final product easy

example- 1ml(cc) per 10 IU vial of HGH would mean each
10 mark on a U100 slin syringe would equal 1 IU of HGH

2ml(cc) added to a
10 IU vial of HGH would mean that the 20 mark on a U100 syringe would equal 1 IU
of HGH

3ml(cc) added to a 10 IU vial of HGH would mean that the 30 mark
on a U100 syringe would equal 1 IU of HGH

3.) Take this syringe with the
dilutent and push it into the vial of lyophilized powder, angling so that the
needle touches the side of the vial, and avoiding shooting the dilutent directly
on the lyophilized powder. Make it run slowly down the side of the vial (don’t
let it forcefully rush in).

4.) After all of the dilutent has been added
to the HGH vial, gentling swirl (do NOT agitate or violently shake the vial)
until the lyophilized powder has dissolved and you are left with a clear liquid.
The HGH is now ready for use. Store your now reconstituted HGH in the
refrigerator. If you used BW to reconstitute it will be good for three weeks. If
you used sterile water, it will be good for about 5
days.

MEASURING

After you have successfully reconstituted your
HGH, now you need to know how to measure the desired amount out for injection.
You will want to use a U100 insulin syringe to draw out and inject your
HGH.

Here is the way to figure out how much to draw out. Since you know
the amount of IU’s in your HGH vial, and you also know how much water you have
diluted it with, we just divide this out as follows:

You will need to
know the following to be successful -

1ml = 1cc = 100 IU’s

So we
take our number of IU’s of HGH from the label of the dry lyophilized powder
(most commonly 10 IU’s for all of the Jintropin users), and we divide that into
the amount of dilutent we used.

example- We used 1cc(ml) of water. We
have a 10 IU vial of HGH.
From our formula above we know that 1cc = 100 IU’s,
so we have 100 IU’s of water.
We now divide the 100 IU’s (the amount of our
water) by 10 IU’s (the amount of our HGH)

100 IU / 10 IU = 10

This
10 will perfectly correspond with the markings on a U100 insulin syringe. In our
example every 10 mark on our syringe will equal 1 IU of HGH. Want to draw out 2
IU’s of GH? ….draw out to the 20 mark on the syringe.

This is about all
there is to it. So to recap, just keep straight:

1.) How much actual HGH
you are dealing with (read from the vial)
2.) How much water (dilutent) you
are using to add to the actual HGH.
3.) Divide the amount of water in units
by the amount of GH in units.
4.) This result will equal the measurement on
your U100 Insulin syringe per unit of GH.
5.) multiply the number you get it
step 4 by how many units you want to inject. This is the number to draw to on
your syringe.

Now that we have a basic understanding of what HGH is, how
it does its work, and how to reconstitute and measure it, lets look at some
strategies for using this hormone to our best advantage.

STRATEGIES FOR
USING HGH

There are many different approaches to taking HGH. The right
approach for your particular situation will depend on your goals. For many, HGH
is a general supplement to help maintain low bodyfat percentages and reasonable
levels of lean body mass. For others who have reached their genetic potential
for growth, HGH is a supplement that can assist in continued growth beyond what
your parents gave you to work with. For yet others, it is a supplement that is
used for general health and healing of injuries. Let’s look at each of these
uses with respect to a reasonable HGH program.

For bodybuilders, HGH (and
the IGF-1 that is a result of its use) is the only substance that can actually
initiate hyperplasia, which in the interest of our use in bodybuilding equates
to new muscle cells. While use of anabolic steroids can cause hypertrophy (the
enlargement of existing muscle cells), steroids do not offer the ability to
recruit and mature more muscle cells. HGH can. HGH also increases protein
synthesis, which can be responsible for hypertrophy. HGH also strengthens and
heals connective tissues, cartilage, and tendons. These uses are what make it so
attractive to athletes in all sports, and in bodybuilding in
particular.

To begin with, it should be stated that for the vast majority
of HGH users, results are not rapid and earthshaking in nature. If your idea of
using HGH is to get ripped in a few weeks, gaining 20 pounds of muscle in a
matter of a month or two, or being miraculously healed in a matter of a few
injections … you are likely in for a BIG disappointment. HGH does some pretty
incredible things, but it HAS to be viewed as a long-term endeavor. A reasonable
length HGH cycle would be 20-30 weeks in length. While you will always be able
to find the one or two individuals who will make great strides in a short amount
of time, the majority of us need to be dedicated to its use for the long haul
for it to be a worthy venture.

As mentioned in our introduction to HGH,
one of the major roles it plays in growth is by its acting on the liver, muscle
cells, and other tissues, which in turn secretes IGF-1. This process is
cumulative in nature, and it will take some time for your exogenous HGH use to
bring your IGF-1 levels to create an environment conducive to optimal growth.
While it is true that HGH begins shuttling nutrients to your muscles, and begins
mobilizing fat from the first injection, these behind the scenes benefits will
only be VISIBLE several weeks (up to 12) down the road.

DOSING

For
anti-aging, general health & healing, fat mobilization
And other purposes
such as these –
A dose of 2-3 IU’s per day (~10 – 15 IU’s per week) will be
sufficient. A dose of 1.5 - 2.0 IU’s is considered to be a full replacement dose
for those in their middle age. Given we will get somewhere in the neighborhood
of 70-80% absorption and utilization from our subQ injections, our 2-3 IU’s will
for all intents and purposes equate to a full replacement measure of
HGH.

For gaining lean muscle and substantially improving body composition

For this purpose a dose of 5-10 IU’s per day (~25-50 IU’s per week) will be
necessary. Most people that still have an alive and kicking pituitary will
respond very well at a dose of 5 IU’s per day, though advanced bodybuilders and
other large strength athletes will find that dose approaching 10 IU’s per day
will be in order.
For maximum benefit in this regard, the addition of
Testosterone and/or other anabolic should strongly be considered. For advanced
use, other supplements like Insulin, and low-dose T3 or T4 would also be
considerations.

Regardless of your goal, as a general rule the best way
to begin your HGH program is to start with a low dose and ease your body into
the higher doses. This will allow you to avoid (or at least minimize) many of
the more common (and unpleasant) sides of HGH such as bloating and joint pain
& swelling. Most people can tolerate up to approximately 2 IU’s per day with
few sides, so that would be a good place to start.

For many using this as
a general health supplement, that is as high as you will need to go. For others
this will be only the start. Above 2.5 – 3 IU’s, I would definitely suggest that
your split your injections into two per day instead of one unless it is just not
feasible to do so. In my experiences, I have ran doses as high as 10 IU’s per
injection, but at those doses I have suffered greatly with joint pain and
bloating to the point of feeling like a Goodyear blimp. Also in my
experimentation it seems that at least for me, keeping my individual doses down
to 3-3.5 IU’s a piece, I more effectively elevate my IGF-1 levels while
minimizing the need for mega-doses of HGH.

Here is what a good ramp up
strategy would look like:
Weeks 1-4 = HGH 2 IU’s one injection
Week 5 =
HGH 2.5 IU’s one injection
Week 6 = HGH 3.0 IU’s split into two injections of
1.5 IU’s each
Week 7 = HGH 3.5 IU’s split into two injections of 1.75 IU’s
each
And so forth until you reach your desired dose.

If at any point
in this progression you begin to have unbearable bloating or joint pain, drop
the dose by 25% and hold it at this lower dosage for a couple of weeks. If the
sides subside, begin your progression back up toward your desired level. If the
sides remain, lower your dose again and hold it at the lower level for two weeks
before beginning the upward progression. This method will keep your HGH
experience a good one and side free for the most part.

For a normal cycle
of 5-8 months in length, injecting once or twice a day, 7 days a week should be
fine. While there are studies that suggest that the suppression and negative
feedback from exogenous HGH is short lived (about 4 hours from time of
injection), there are no large-scale studies to indicate safety of everyday
injections in long-term use. There are studies by anti-aging groups
demonstrating that a day or two off per week is adequate to protect the
pituitary and its triggers over long cycles. If your use of HGH becomes more a
lifestyle than a single cycle, I would consider running it 5 on/2 off, or 6 on/
1 off until such time as we have reliable data demonstrating long-term safety
sans any degradation of your own output or the triggers initiating that output.
I have personally experimented with just about every conceivable injection
strategy I could devise. What I can say about the anti-aging doctor’s
supposition is that it panned out for me. I have recently come off of a 7-year
run of HGH. I personally pull my own blood panels every six weeks routinely.
After many months of being off of HGH, I now have the same profile I had before
I began its use many years ago … high normal for my age. All levels and markers
are perfectly normal.

Another option would be to run your HGH cycle
everyday for the first two months to get your IGF-1 levels elevated quickly and
to a level to assist you in an anabolic way, then drop back to 5 days a week. If
you can tolerate the sides of higher doses, running the same weekly dose divided
every other day is fine as well. The list goes on and frankly is an individual
proposition. What seems to be of greatest import is that your weekly supplement
of HGH is respectable enough to provide the desired
benefit.

TIMING

As described above, the body produces HGH is a
pulsatile fashion throughout the day with the heaviest pulses occurring
approximately 2 hours or so after going to bed and as you fall into a deep
sleep. Injectible HGH is completely absorbed and put to use within approximately
3 hours. The strategy with respect to timing depends somewhat on our age and the
other elements of our cycle. As you will see below, there is no single best
strategy … it depends a lot on your individual situation.

For those that
are between their late 20’s and early 50’s, there is still a reasonable chance
that your own endogenous production of HGH is at a reasonable level. The best
time to take and injection, this being the case, would be early morning …. After
your body’s own release of HGH in the night. If you get up to go to the bathroom
in the early morning (3 -5am), this is probably the perfect time to take a
couple of units of HGH. This will be the least disruptive time to take an
injection of HGH. The second best time would be first thing in the morning when
you wake up.

If you are splitting your doses, the two times of the day
when your cortisol levels are at peak are when you wake up and in the early
afternoon. This being the case, another good strategy is to take your HGH
injections at these times. Cortisol is very catabolic by nature and a well
-timed HGH injection can go a long way toward blunting this effect.

If
you are in your late 50’s or beyond, or if for some reason you have a condition
that has rendered your pituitary incapable of a normal release of HGH, a great
time to take HGH is right before bed. This allows you to closely mimic the
natural pattern that would occur if your pituitary were functioning properly.
For the rest of us, taking your HGH right before bed is going to end up creating
a negative feedback loop, robbing you of your body’s own nightly pulse of HGH.
While the jury is still out (conflicting studies) as to the absolute nature of
the negative feedback time, it is clear that the closer we push our injection to
the time our body is ready to give us its biggest pulses of HGH, we are going to
end up derailing our own triggers and secretion.

Yet another strategy
should be considered if you are using insulin with your HGH. Insulin should be
used immediately post workout. HGH and insulin do some great things together –
they shuttle nutrients in a very complimentary way with each other, and the
combination of HGH and Insulin create the best environment for IGF-1 production
from the liver. If you are using insulin immediately post workout, taking a few
IU’s of HGH pre-workout will allow HGH to offer all of its fat mobilizing
effects while getting your HGH and Insulin to the liver at about the right time
for huge IGF-1 releases.

SIDE EFFECTS – HOW TO MANAGE THEM

While
HGH for the most part is well tolerated, there are some minor, mostly nuisance
side effects that can occur. The biggest and most common side effect is bloating
and joint pain. The chances of getting these can be minimized or even eliminated
by utilizing the ramp up method discussed above in this guide.

If you are
younger than your late 20’s, it would be very wise to enter an HGH cycle under
the guidance of an MD, who can monitor and confirm whether your growth plates
have fused. While abnormal bone growth with HGH use is not common, if used at
the wrong point in your body’s development, it could cause disproportionate
growth.

If you have a history of cancer or other tumors (at any age), it
would be wise to get a complete checkup and be monitored by an MD to make sure
that there are no active tumors before your HGH cycle. While HGH (and IGF-1)
won’t cause cancer or tumors, they can create an environment that can allow
already existing, active tumors to grow at an accelerated rate. We intentionally
keep growth factor levels to a minimum in cancer patients. While tumors can
create their own growth factors, we really don’t want to throw gas on the fire
and allow them to grow any faster than they otherwise could.

Beyond these
considerations, there really isn’t anything specific that you would HAVE to take
with HGH. There are supplements that you could take for specific conditions that
are possible with HGH use. The way people react to HGH is a pretty individual
thing. Some people get very little suppression of any kind; others don’t see any
gains from adding HGH because of significant enough suppression of one kind or
another. Here’s a general rundown of a few of the bigger ones.

For the
slight thyroid support that may be desired:
conservative - take
nothing
moderate - t-100x, bladderwrack, coleus forskolin, selenium, zinc,
chromium, copper
aggressive - T3 at a dose of 12.5 - 25 mcgs or T4 at 100mcgs
per day.

For the insulin resistance that is possible:
conservative -
300mg of Alpha Lipoic Acid and 200 - 300mcgs of Chromium Piccinolate
moderate
- 15mg of Actos - a prescription med to increase insulin sensitivity, Glucophage
(Metformin) to dispose of excess glucose and increase uptake in
muscles.
aggressive - add a few IU’s of insulin to your HGH cycle

For
healthy test levels to best utilize HGH:
conservative - do
nothing
moderate - use Tongkat or Tribulus
aggressive - add 200-300
milligrams (or more) of testosterone weekly to your HGH cycle

For
protection against prostate growth:
conservative - do nothing
moderate -
use Saw Palmetto (approx 2000mg)
aggressive - use Proscar or
equivalent

For those that have a problem with breast tissue growth while
on HGH:
For those that suffer from this, there is a difference of opinion as
to the cause. In the presence of adequate estrogen, HGH can prompt growth of
breast tissue. Also of consideration is that growth hormone, prolactin, and
placental lactogen are a subfamily of a large 2-class cytokine superfamily of
proteins. The amino acid sequences of hGH and hPL are similar (85% homology). In
humans, each of these three proteins can bind hPRL receptors and promote a
variety of physiological actions, including breast growth, lactation, and the
like.
The current consensus seems to be that the best approach for those with
this problem is twofold - Take 200mg of B6 (or Bromo if B6 is not sufficient)
and also use 20-40mg of Tamoxifen (Nolva) to control this. If all else fails, a
couple of months of Letro and Bromo will most certainly (and aggressively) deal
with the problem. This is a pretty rare condition, but I have talked with more
than a few bros that have reported this sort of problem.

Once again, I
wouldn’t say that all (or any) of these are necessary for everyone. I would use
these supplements as necessary to correct whatever conditions arise with your
own HGH use. As stated above, reaction to HGH (and just about anything else we
use) is very individual.

Hopefully this guide has given you a better
understanding of HGH and what it can do for you. HGH, especially when used in
conjunction with an AAS cycle, will produce some high-quality, lean mass gains.
It can also be used in conjunction with IGF-1 and insulin, which will be the
topic of a comparative guide, that I will finish writing and get posted one of
these days.
 
I'm interested in trying hgh. What are the common sides? I heard it needs to be used for 4-6 months min. Do you just pin it ED? How does it compare to Test? Sorry for the rookie questions. I'm not even really sure where to begin. Most of the article had good info but I only understood half of it lol.
 
Viscious I would say use at your discretion. An ecample is a twenty yo doesn't need testosterone. But if he takes it he will get jerked as hell. You don't need HGH at younger ages but it will still be effective. So its your choice some guys can't wait. As far as side effect go. There ate really no short term that are serious. HGH hasn't been used long enough to determine long term sides. It is a pretty young substance. This is just my opinion.
 
That makes sense... Would I get the same results running 4iu Ed as someone twice my age though... Just because I've been told a couple of times running anything under 10iu a day isn't really worth it...
 
10 iu a day is a pretty good dose and also pretty pricey. I would use as little as possibly and still achieve the goals I set. Unless you have money to burn then go ahead. I would tell a younger guy to wait and try to reach his honest natural pontential before HGH or anything else. Again gret thread liqudiex
 
10 iu a day is a pretty good dose and also pretty pricey. I would use as little as possibly and still achieve the goals I set. Unless you have money to burn then go ahead. I would tell a younger guy to wait and try to reach his honest natural pontential before HGH or anything else. Again gret thread liqudiex

Agree wit my pale homeboi.
 
Thank u that's a big help....
Y rush into something when instill have so much to gain before its even needed...Thank u bro
 
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That makes sense... Would I get the same results running 4iu Ed as someone twice my age though... Just because I've been told a couple of times running anything under 10iu a day isn't really worth it...


Ive ran 500 iu in the past. I used 4iu a day. 3 months was 4ui ed split dose. Last month was 8iu split dose eod. Running another 500 iu right now.

I definitely got really lean and made my cycle that much better. While 8-10iu a day maybe be better, I cant afford it. Dosing 3.5-4iu a day will provide results over several months. Shorter periods you might just see the weight loss benefit.

I would believe the effect is cumulative. The more you use and longer you use, the more new cell growth will be promoted.
 
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