A retarded noob needs help with TRT and steroids

[MagicElevator]

If you need an H. Pylori test, go to a gastroenterologist. They'll order a simple breath test at the local blood lab.
Most general docs cannot and will not help with TRT. Society's view is that its just plain steroids and don't believe it has therapeutic value.

You need a TRT doc. While some docs are open to TRT most aren't but if you find one of these you shouldn't have a problem.

Go easy to start. You could even start as low as 100 mg a week for a few weeks and check your levels. 150 or 140 is a better recommendation then go up or down. For many people a constant 200 is definitely a steroid cycle.

1/2 mg once of a week of anastrozole if you notice you start getting emotional and your estrogen levels on labs climb.

Weird I needed this for first 6 months to 1 year now my estrogen aromatization is hardly there so I need almost no AI now.
Everyone is different on how much they need of both test and AI. Don't overdo it. But you will have to monitor to know what works for you.

Watch your hematocrit/red blood cells count/iron levels, you likely will need to donate blood every 60 to 90 days.

 

[szczykafka]

If going IM

What's IM?

Much depends if you are wanting T replacement for performance or for health reasons.

2nd

 

[Jbswole40]

In the muscle injection is what he is referring to

 

[MagicElevator]

Yes jbswole40 is correct. IM is intramuscular which means injecting into a muscle. Once a week is usual start.

Subcutaneous is under the skin. Less common but also done. General theory is oil based IM and water based subq.

 

[szczykafka]

Blood test and gear are not mutually exclusive. They go hand in hand. I get it if you can't afford both but the blood test is more important. Get the results and THEN form a plan.

That's how I'm going to do it. Will have results this week.

I can tell you that people with an overabundance of H. pylori can feel pretty fucked up so jumping on testosterone as the problem isn't a very good solution. Virtually everyone has this bacterium but not so much that it overwhelms the system, causing it's many symptoms.
I'd want to get that under control first IF you in fact have a problem with H. pylori. I don't recall the exact treatments but any of them might be contraindicated with using any of the drugs you are about to buy off the internet.

This is unrelated. New issue that is almost fixed with diet and probiotics. I will still want to do the test, but I'm fine with my stomach from 2 days.

Your diet is "on point"? So is every other guy on this forum. Lol!

I do eat healthy. I watch my calories. No processed foods, no fast food, no sugar.

How about post your diet and eating schedule here. Not what you plan to eat but what exactly goes into your mouth for a couple of days. Guys here will give you some great, although varying, advice if you post your food intake.
Diet is like 80-90% the cause of things.

The symptoms of low T that will be confirmed or not with blood test results will determine that.

• My diet is simple. I'm not anal about it. I want to enjoy food, meaning I listen to my body. One day I crave fats, I'll do more fats. As long as I'm below 2K cal I'm golden.
• Also, I often won't be able to finish whole meal. Like I did once 100g of rice. I gave half of it to my dog, but kept the calories. Kind of little way to cheat myself into eating less. Most of the days there's leftover for my dog or for compost.
• I prepare food, I eat it, wait 15 min, if I'm still hungry I might add something.
• I fast on most Fridays.
• My mealtime is usually at 3PM, but if need to eat later I try not to eat past 6PM.
• I do OMAD (one meal a day).
• I don't want to spend 2 hours in the kitchen. Usually if I'm hungry everything tastes good. I don't oil fry, I use dry fryer and a pressure cooker.
• If I know I'm way below calories, but my body tells me not enough, I'd throw something, usually apple or a citrus fruit.
• I know my diet is not perfect, but it's good for me. Fast to prepare, efficient, mostly enjoyable.
• I try to keep macros around F~40% C<20% P~40-50%, but again, I'm not anal about it and listen to my body.
  • One day my eyelid started tweaking and I know my hydration packets that I don't use daily (have sugar) help. I'll throw extra aside from my "custom" hydration powder.
  • If one day I absolutely crave fats and end with fats being high % of the macros, no big deal. It averages out weekly.
• In the past I was anal about the diet, overdone it, didn't enjoy it, failed each time. I learned how my body responds to what and I give it what it begs me to shove. I will even sometimes eat bread. As long as I'm under 2,000 cal, I'm not a bitch.
  • Another example of this flexibility would be me trying eating only meat for 1 week. Always wanted try to carnivore diet and maybe will do it in the future, but this shit costs too much. I felt good though.
  • Or another week I ate eggs almost every day, because I just felt like eggs a few days in a row.
  • And cooking and tracking takes a lot of time. I keep it simple and don't punish myself if once in a while I'll won't follow each rule. A week ago I even ate a snickers bar. I just craved so badly. I didn't put it in the tracker because I was driving. No big deal. It's fine.
• I don't drink any alcohol. Not even beer. The only alcohol I drink is ALPA Francovka which is herb "medicine" that sometimes will take if have a funky stomach.
• I also measure how much time it takes me to digest. 15 hours like on the clock. I know exactly when I need to throw some mud on the ceramic.
• So… a while ago I gave myself permission to be more flexible and to enjoy the food. almost 35 motherfucking pounds down since January, after gaining 40 lbs in 3 months during my injury.
• Basically these are the rules I follow. It's actually good to write them down. They were just in my head.
  • Prepare everything to eat on "one" plate.
  • Wait 15 minutes after eating before adding extra.
  • No sugar and sugary drinks or alcohol.
  • Avoid processed foods.
  • As little carbs as possible.
  • Eat below 2,000 cal.
  • One meal a day.
  • No food after 6PM.
  • Spend as little time cooking as possible.
  • Variety is good.
  • Always eat some vegetables.
  • 20-30 chews before swallowing like a good girl.
  • Hard foods are welcome.
  • Listen to your body.
  • Don't give up after fucking up or a bad day. It's all good.
  • Don't be a bitch.

I'm pasting few examples from few last days.
This works for me. It's healthy for me comparing to periods when I was binge eating and not giving a shit. If the diet is 80% accurate, that's a success.
So it's not accurate, but this is food. The calories and macros on these apps are not 100% accurate anyway.
And if I'm below 1,800 cal, I'll slap my ass and say, "good job you fat mothoerfucker!"

 

[szczykafka]

You're in the right place.. Brother..
Read.. research and ask Educated Q's..
2k cals with BJJ.. you'll be 125lbs in 3 months..LoL..

Dude, the sausage between my legs will weigh more than my upper body!

Lol..
Low cals make me feel like shit.. Yeah,F that..!!
I eat a shit ton every day..

7 years ago I started OMAD. On and off but from 5 years about 80% of my diet is one meal daily.
Breakfasts make me bloated and tired. If I eat after 2pm I'm fine, but if I eat after 8-9pm I sleep like shit and wake up 10 times.

So that said. I know my body and know what to do and how to do it, but I'm also a fat pig that could eat 1.5 large pizza during heavy depression in 1 sitting and spend whole next day shitting with hot lava. Hopefully this time with more flexibility I'll stick. I know I can, but…

 

[szczykafka]

So true. I can’t count how many people post that they are 20+ percent bf, which is probably more like 30% and say that their diet is “ on point.” Even with low T there it is fairly easy to stay thin with a good diet. It’s the gaining lean muscle with low T that gets tougher.

It is on point from the perspective of my fat ass. Food has always been my escape from problems. I'm still learning to have a better relationship with food. I'm happy with my current diet.

 

[szczykafka]

If you need an H. Pylori test, go to a gastroenterologist. They'll order a simple breath test at the local blood lab.
Most general docs cannot and will not help with TRT. Society's view is that its just plain steroids and don't believe it has therapeutic value.

Good tip. I see my doc this week to review blood test and I'll ask for a referral to tummy doctor.

You need a TRT doc. While some docs are open to TRT most aren't but if you find one of these you shouldn't have a problem.

I check blood for free through insurance. They didn't do anything but depending on the results I would use Defy Medical. $300 for comprehensive blood test to start. I doubt my doc will give me referral to an endo. I need to switch the doc but can't now. If the cutoff is 250 ng/dL motherfucker would say I'm good if I'm 251 ng/dL of total test.

Go easy to start. You could even start as low as 100 mg a week for a few weeks and check your levels. 150 or 140 is a better recommendation then go up or down. For many people a constant 200 is definitely a steroid cycle.
1/2 mg once of a week of anastrozole if you notice you start getting emotional and your estrogen levels on labs climb.

Thanks for that.

you likely will need to donate blood every 60 to 90 days.

Oh shit, I didn't know that. I don't think I can. They told me once that I'm in the age group that can't donate because some cow disease or something? I don't remember it was years ago, but they said that most Europe can't. I moved from Europe to the US over 10 years ago…
What do I do if I can't donate? Razor? joke. But for real, what do I do?

 

[Jbswole40]

Good tip. I see my doc this week to review blood test and I'll ask for a referral to tummy doctor.


I check blood for free through insurance. They didn't do anything but depending on the results I would use Defy Medical. $300 for comprehensive blood test to start. I doubt my doc will give me referral to an endo. I need to switch the doc but can't now. If the cutoff is 250 ng/dL motherfucker would say I'm good if I'm 251 ng/dL of total test.


Thanks for that.


Oh shit, I didn't know that. I don't think I can. They told me once that I'm in the age group that can't donate because some cow disease or something? I don't remember it was years ago, but they said that most Europe can't. I moved from Europe to the US over 10 years ago…
What do I do if I can't donate? Razor? joke. But for real, what do I do?

U can buy a kit online, I don't suggest it,but I and few others have done it..you definitely want to see levels before donating. Also do not do it alone and do not pour blood down the drain

 

[szczykafka]

Also do not do it alone and do not pour blood down the drain

Drain? I'd make a soup or something.

 

[Jbswole40]

Drain? I'd make a soup or something.

Lol..disposal isn't hard where I live ..
Just saying do not put it down your kitchen sink..

 

[szczykafka]

Just saying do not put it down your kitchen sink..

In all seriousness, I'll check again, maybe this "ban" expired. I'm not gonna drain my own blood.

I could get in a fight tho and get some from my nose maybe

 

[Jbswole40]

Mayb u should not drain your own blood..
U asked a question and I answered..
I think guys get a little overboard with the whole donation thing..just do bloodwork and watch your markers..

 

[szczykafka]

Mayb u should not drain your own blood..
U asked a question and I answered..
I think guys get a little overboard with the whole donation thing..just do bloodwork and watch your markers..

I actually would want to donate blood just to experience. Never done it.

 

[MagicElevator]

Getting a referral to a TRT doc probably isn't easy. You can go to one directly yourself, just look them up in your area, if your area has them. Most insurance only covers if your test is below 330 or something like that, in 2 blood labs. Yours being in the 300s is pretty low.

A lot of TRT places will do a phlebotomy blood draw for a fee and dispose of the blood if you can't go to Red Cross.

 

[MagicElevator]

Also keep in mind this is a big decision. Once you go on TRT it's pretty much for life because if you go off, your test levels will tank. Some people say you can PCT and recover but the older you are the harder this is and you would probably only want to do under doctor supervision. Once you start you will likely be pinning for life. I wouldn't want to go back my test levels were 300 and I remember being one miserable unmotivated person who exercised my ass off and just felt continually worse.

 

[szczykafka]

Getting a referral to a TRT doc probably isn't easy. You can go to one directly yourself, just look them up in your area, if your area has them. Most insurance only covers if your test is below 330 or something like that, in 2 blood labs. Yours being in the 300s is pretty low.

A lot of TRT places will do a phlebotomy blood draw for a fee and dispose of the blood if you can't go to Red Cross.

I'm already in touch with Defy Medical defymedical.com
They have the best price. Probably like $8K cheaper (yearly) than Derek's Marek Health. I'm sure it's worth... For people who don't drive 2012 Toyota.

 

[Jbswole40]

I'm already in touch with Defy Medical defymedical.com
They have the best price. Probably like $8K cheaper (yearly) than Derek's Marek Health. I'm sure it's worth... For people who don't drive 2012 Toyota.

Hey man I drive a 2012 Toyota..
Nah jk..8k a year cheaper good for u

 

[Boykinben82]

It is on point from the perspective of my fat ass. Food has always been my escape from problems. I'm still learning to have a better relationship with food. I'm happy with my current diet.

Diet is everything the lose weight. I will never be fat so I get away with eating crappier but if weight is a problem then it’s the diet causing it.

 

[szczykafka]

Diet is everything the lose weight. I will never be fat so I get away with eating crappier but if weight is a problem then it’s the diet causing it.

Agreed, regarding fat lazy fucks like me. There are some unfortunate people with a medical condition, but yes, my mouth likes to chew and my ass can't keep up.

Hey man I drive a 2012 Toyota..
Nah jk..8k a year cheaper good for u

That bitch just keeps driving and won't break. Fucking Japanese nerds.

 

[Roux1980]

Thanks for the comment. The names for the bloodwork are useful.

Actually, because of your post I understand now the relationship between mg/ml injected and ng/dL. Someone in one of my posts kind of confused me writing something like that, "pinning only 100mg a week will put your testosterone lower than you have now". Which I thought doesn't check out. It made me think, you pin 100mg a week, you test goest to 100ng/dL. Which makes no sense.
That's how I thought initially how it works. You start lower, see how you feel, check the blood, adjust the dose if needed. Thanks.

You’re very welcome my friend. Happy to help.

 

[beast405]

The basic start is 200mg a week of test. 2 injections a week so, 100mg per injection say Monday and Thursday. Get bloods after 5 weeks which should be Testosterone ( free and total), E2 ultra sensitive, CMP and lipids panel, and then post your bloods ( blackout personal info) A lot of people can help you read them. Don’t touch Armidex or the Anavar or Nolva. Once you get bloods and only after you get bloods you may need an AI, very doubtful but if you have higher BF then you might. ( I would recommend Aromasin) but don’t start taking AI unless bloods show it’s way above range. Now the most important part. DIET!!!!! Eat healthy to gain or lose weight. If your goal is to lose weight then calculate to maintainance calories, using an APP. To lose weight track calories and reduce calories 300-500 a day below maintainance. You can adjust your dose after blood work. Depending on how you respond. This is just my advice. I’m on TRT year round in between cycles.

Yep. Too many people just on an aromatize inhibitor without even needing it and fuck themselves up.