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Data given to Trump and Congress before the social distancing instituted. GRIM

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This is why the leaders are all of a sudden taking this so seriously. Apart from a cure we will lose millions of lives.

This modeling was given to them March 16th

Modeling study suggests 18 months of COVID-19 social distancing, much disruption

Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News

| Mar 18, 2020

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On Mar 16, when White House coronavirus response coordinator Deborah Birx, MD, stood beside President Donald Trump and announced the "15 Days to Slow the Spread" campaign, she said guidance on home isolation was informed by the latest models from the United Kingdom.

Birx was likely referring to a new modeling study on likely US and UK outcomes during the COVID-19 pandemic, published yesterday by a team of epidemiologists at the Imperial College of London.

The study, which used pandemic data gathered in China, Italy, and South Korea, has been lauded by epidemiologists around the world as the most comprehensive prediction of what the US could be facing in the coming months. But it also paints some bleak pictures, including millions of deaths if little is done.

Flattening the curve vs suppression

The model analyzes the two approaches to managing the virus. One is mitigation, or "flattening the curve," which sees the novel coronavirus continue to spread, but at a slow rate so as not to overwhelm hospital systems. The other approach is suppression, which tries to reverse the pandemic through extreme social distancing measures and home quarantines of cases and their families, achieving an R0—or reproduction number—of less than 1.

"Each policy has major challenges," the authors wrote. Mitigation "might reduce peak healthcare demand by 2/3 and deaths by half. However, the resulting mitigated epidemic would still likely result in hundreds of thousands of deaths and health systems (most notably intensive care units) being overwhelmed many times over."

To avoid that, the country would need to focus on suppression. But suppression requires social distancing measures far longer than the 14 to 30 days Americans have been told to prepare for. Instead, they would need to be in place for 18 months, or until a vaccine is made available.

"I think the model's broad conclusion is correct that there is a terrible dilemma of very long-term social distancing, or overloading healthcare systems, or both," said Marc Lipsitch, DPhil, a professor of epidemiology and the director of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at Harvard University. "With the options currently available I do not see a way to get out of this dilemma."

Model considers 3 scenarios, predicts high death count

To understand how mitigation or suppression would play out, the Imperial College team, led by Neil Ferguson, OBE, ran a model based on three scenarios. In the first, US officials do nothing to mitigate the spread of COVID-19, schools and businesses are kept open, and the virus is allowed to move through the population.
This would result in 81% of the US population, about 264 million people, contracting the disease. Of those, 2.2 million would die, including 4% to 8% of Americans over age 70. More important, by the second week in April, the demand for critical care beds would be 30 times greater than supply.

If mitigation practices are put in place, including a combination of case isolation, home quarantine, and social distancing of those most at risk (over age 70), the peak critical care demand would reduce by 60%, and there would be half the number of deaths. But this scenario still produces an eightfold demand on critical care beds above surge capacity.

In order to suppress the pandemic to an R0 of below 1, a country would need to combine case isolation, social distancing of the entire population, and either household quarantine or school and university closure, the authors found. These measures "are assumed to be in place for a 5-month duration," they wrote.

In addition, the authors said, these measures may have to be put back into place if restrictions are lifted and cases surge again.

"I don't think it is attractive, just don't see a way out of it," said Lipsitch.

Americans finally accepting reality, expert says

Maciej Boni, PhD, of the Center for Infectious Disease Dynamics at Pennsylvania State University, said the Imperial College model is the most likely scenario produced on the current pandemic.

"This has been trickling out to the public since [the] last week of February," Boni told CIDRAP News. "Now the public is ready to hear that 1 to 2 million people could die, which is what we [epidemiologists] have said for 3 weeks."

The Imperial College model does not take into account finding or creating a successful antiviral to combat the virus. Boni said that likely reflects the history of antivirals.

"We're not as successful at finding antivirals as antibiotics or antimalarials," he said. "I'm not holding up hope for antivirals."

Boni said the American public should expect a challenging 18 months, noting the country hasn't faced a pandemic of this scale in 102 years, and has enjoyed mostly peace and growth in the last 75 years.

"It's going to be hard," he said.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...sts-18-months-covid-19-social-distancing-much












 
Weve already had people losing there minds around these parts. Not sure its related to the pandemic or not but weve had a rise in public shootings this wk. Hopefully people keep their cool so we can get through this shit & onto better days.

Hard to tell really. Americans seem to come together at times like this then again theres the ones that fuck things up for eveyone else.



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I hope that malaria drug pans out. if not this is very concerning.
 
It's a fucking shame that the fat, orange fuck wasted so much time with his rhetorical bullshit instead of acting like a god damn leader for once and just maybe gotten ahead of this thing. If Obama had done anything remotely like this the right wing nut jobs in this fucking country would have lost their fucking minds.

Wake the fuck up people.
 
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This is nothing short of a disgrace to the American people. How many will die because of this man's bloated ego?

 
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This is nothing short of a disgrace to the American people. How many will die because of this man's bloated ego?

Lmfao. Here comes the its Trumps fault. Im sure u could do better .

Maybe ask your parents upstairs to go get ya some more twinkies & lotion. Should keep ya busy while we all get through it.


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I cant argue with this post. All I can say is finally he is deferring to the experts and not saying he is the best at everything and knows everything because clearly he doesnt understand jack shit about this pandemic.
I didnt think he would come around and let his ego take the blow of not being the expert on corona but now he has no choice. He tried to lie and act like the expert. He failed.
BTW- I am not saying this is his fault- He just handled this horribly especially early on. He likes to make everything about him and how he is the best. He isn't. This is way bigger than him. He just needs to get the fuck out of the way and let the experts take over and for once he actually appears to be doing this now.

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This is nothing short of a disgrace to the American people. How many will die because of this man's bloated ego?

 
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You guys act like hes the 1 makin the decisions in all this. Lmfao theres 1000s involved. He is just the puppet to the people & is there to try to calm the masses

Get fuckin real. The president always has & always will just be the puppet to the people. You cant bitch about the real people making the decision because u have no idea who they are.

I still prefer Trump behind the mic then anyone else ive seen so far.





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You guys act like hes the 1 makin the decisions in all this. Lmfao theres 1000s involved. He is just the puppet to the people & is there to try to calm the masses

Get fuckin real. The president always has & always will just be the puppet to the people. You cant bitch about the real people making the decision because u have no idea who they are.

I still prefer Trump behind the mic then anyone else ive seen so far.





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There's always a puppet master. And there's always a few people who see the big picture. Others are just focused on stuff their ment to see

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Its fucking bullshit. We are 4 months in and this virus has killed 9000 world wide. Fuck in the year that Obama had to deal with H1N1 it killed 12,000 Americans and infected 60 million Americans, while hospitalized 300,000.

Shut the fuck up. The sky isn’t falling. Wuhan China is already getting back to work.
 
You have a point and I totally understand him trying to calm the panic in people at the beginning of this. I just think that drawing attention to himself as having a knack for knowing about coronavirus then mentioning his uncle who was a genius and it must run in the genes is fucking stupid.
You guys act like hes the 1 makin the decisions in all this. Lmfao theres 1000s involved. He is just the puppet to the people & is there to try to calm the masses

Get fuckin real. The president always has & always will just be the puppet to the people. You cant bitch about the real people making the decision because u have no idea who they are.

I still prefer Trump behind the mic then anyone else ive seen so far.





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There is validity in all these responses really. It isnt the zombie apocalypse. It WILL end but how long will it take to get over the toll it takes on our country.
Its fucking bullshit. We are 4 months in and this virus has killed 9000 world wide. Fuck in the year that Obama had to deal with H1N1 it killed 12,000 Americans and infected 60 million Americans, while hospitalized 300,000.

Shut the fuck up. The sky isn’t falling. Wuhan China is already getting back to work.
 
Its fucking bullshit. We are 4 months in and this virus has killed 9000 world wide. Fuck in the year that Obama had to deal with H1N1 it killed 12,000 Americans and infected 60 million Americans, while hospitalized 300,000.

Shut the fuck up. The sky isn’t falling. Wuhan China is already getting back to work.
The thought also crosses my mind that China has lied to us from day 1. What if their reporting is false? What if its really 300K dead there?

The problem is we cannot trust the Chinese to accurately report the numbers.
 
Its fucking bullshit. We are 4 months in and this virus has killed 9000 world wide. Fuck in the year that Obama had to deal with H1N1 it killed 12,000 Americans and infected 60 million Americans, while hospitalized 300,000.

Shut the fuck up. The sky isn’t falling. Wuhan China is already getting back to work.

This is the shit that goes through my head everyday during this bullshit. Wtf is wrong with people? And now you have governors like the one in California saying he’s closing the state down and stay in doors. These fucks are making it worse. I get it. It does kill people but like you said why the fuck didn’t they act this way when fuck head Obama was in office with that shit? Can’t help but think there is another story behind this shit. And it’s only the biggest liberal states making this into something HUGE. Anybody not questioning that needs to rethink shit.


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It's a fucking shame that the fat, orange fuck wasted so much time with his rhetorical bullshit instead of acting like a god damn leader for once and just maybe gotten ahead of this thing. If Obama had done anything remotely like this the right wing nut jobs in this fucking country would have lost their fucking minds.

Wake the fuck up people.
Trump reduced air travel on February 1st from China and was called a racist early on.
 
Lmfao. Here comes the its Trumps fault. Im sure u could do better .

Maybe ask your parents upstairs to go get ya some more twinkies & lotion. Should keep ya busy while we all get through it.


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dispute one fucking quote in that post......I’ll wait right here
 
You guys act like hes the 1 makin the decisions in all this. Lmfao theres 1000s involved. He is just the puppet to the people & is there to try to calm the masses

Get fuckin real. The president always has & always will just be the puppet to the people. You cant bitch about the real people making the decision because u have no idea who they are.

I still prefer Trump behind the mic then anyone else ive seen so far.




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Glad you are ok with electing a puppet. The rest of us were hoping for a fucking leader.
 
Its fucking bullshit. We are 4 months in and this virus has killed 9000 world wide. Fuck in the year that Obama had to deal with H1N1 it killed 12,000 Americans and infected 60 million Americans, while hospitalized 300,000.

Shut the fuck up. The sky isn’t falling. Wuhan China is already getting back to work.

When are people going to focus on the present? You can’t even get a can of beans or a roll of TP to wipe your ass right now. I don’t remember that shit when the nigger was in charge. Do you?


China built hospitals in days and Trump can’t even read a fucking piece of paper in front of him at a third grade level. This shit makes me want to puke.

I truly hope no one you know dies because of this failure of a leader.

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When are people going to focus on the present? You can’t even get a can of beans or a roll of TP to wipe your ass right now. I don’t remember that shit when the nigger was in charge. Do you?


China built hospitals in days and Trump can’t even read a fucking piece of paper in front of him at a third grade level. This shit makes me want to puke.

I truly hope no one you know dies because of this failure of a leader.

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Now now, let's be fair. Trump's language skill has been repeatedly measured at the 4th grade / 10 yr old level, not "third grade". Give credit where credit is due.

He can't read stuff in front of him mainly because he's too vain to use reading glasses... so they use 30-point type but he still struggles. They need to use Sharpie-grade bold jumbo type. He's also dealing with repeated episodes of mania and crashing from his adderal addiction, evident just from watching various podium performances and his huge swings of aggression and focus. Dunno how Melania manages.
 
The thought also crosses my mind that China has lied to us from day 1. What if their reporting is false? What if its really 300K dead there?

The problem is we cannot trust the Chinese to accurately report the numbers.

This is true, but I doubt it's 100x the reported figures. They're claiming 3,200 deaths. There's reasonable evidence it could be something like 3x more than that. More would be difficult since, for one thing, there are now more cellphones (and phone subscriptions) than there are people in China (~1.4 billion population) and most of the youth know how to get around the Great Firewall of China when needed. They aren't the unknowable Hidden Kingdom anymore despite the repressive totalitarian state. An open international market economy makes that impossible.
 
This is the shit that goes through my head everyday during this bullshit. Wtf is wrong with people? And now you have governors like the one in California saying he’s closing the state down and stay in doors. These fucks are making it worse. I get it. It does kill people but like you said why the fuck didn’t they act this way when fuck head Obama was in office with that shit? Can’t help but think there is another story behind this shit. And it’s only the biggest liberal states making this into something HUGE. Anybody not questioning that needs to rethink shit.


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There's reportedly 50+ cases in my rural little town that's overwhelmingly conservative. IMO, this is not something perpetuated by the dems
 
this is not Trumps fault, hell he has just as good a chance at getting this shit as any one of us, maybe even more. but the buck stops w/him. i hope we all know he cant do shit w/o the approval of congress(house,senate) however, he should NOT have acted and said the things he did until he knew more, but hey thats trump. i would much rather have a man w/balls(and possibly a little too much ego) trying to figure a way out of this instead of some fuckin bleeding heart liberal democrat. my .02 cents
 
buy the way there kash monies, thats some pretty fuckin weed in ur avi! got some?
 
dispute one fucking quote in that post......I’ll wait right here

you may be correct with your post, but have you ever thought there is more to what you see? Possibly trying to prevent panic?
We finally have a president who cares about the USA and us who doesn’t want to give our country away and apologize for past events. I would like to see any of you Trump haters become president, I bet you cave to the pressures and become a yes man to Nancy!
 
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