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Anadrol / superdrol. No Test

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Just looking for some more knowledge here, Stepping into anadrol 50mg. Or superdrol 10mg. Haven’t decided yet for certain. Leanin yo anadrol. Iran pharmacy though. Any experience on supplements without running test as well? Also clomid for a pct? Going to run a simple cycle for 4 weeks see how far I can get!
 
Just looking for some more knowledge here, Stepping into anadrol 50mg. Or superdrol 10mg. Haven’t decided yet for certain. Leanin yo anadrol. Iran pharmacy though. Any experience on supplements without running test as well? Also clomid for a pct? Going to run a simple cycle for 4 weeks see how far I can get!
So what the cycle? An oral only? If that's the case I'd go w some anavar save the anadrol and superdrol for when u k m.j oq more and are running testosterone w them. They are both highly suppressive and I strongly recommend running test w them. Anavar however can be(still I'd use test) ran without a testosterone base. It's not as suppressive and taxing on the body.
 
So what the cycle? An oral only? If that's the case I'd go w some anavar save the anadrol and superdrol for when u k m.j oq more and are running testosterone w them. They are both highly suppressive and I strongly recommend running test w them. Anavar however can be(still I'd use test) ran without a testosterone base. It's not as suppressive and taxing on the body.


yes just oral only. I really didn’t see much of a huge difference when I used anavar and test, so figured I would try something heavier. I can run test was just trying something different see any benefits
 
yes just oral only. I really didn’t see much of a huge difference when I used anavar and test, so figured I would try something heavier. I can run test was just trying something different see any benefits
Yeah just my opinion and what I've picked up through trial and error. There are so many factors that determine the outcome ...diet ,recovery, training,gear quality... what are your goals ?
 
Yeah just my opinion and what I've picked up through trial and error. There are so many factors that determine the outcome ...diet ,recovery, training,gear quality... what are your goals ?



I’ve finally got my diet on point over the last 2 months. My training is pretty intense I seem to tire out quickly though, recovery is good usually a two rest on major lift days. Unfortunately I swing between two commercial gyms but the variety of free weights and machines are great for my area. Just wanting to add some size and lean out as best as possible. Currently 17%bf. @236lbs
 
I’ve finally got my diet on point over the last 2 months. My training is pretty intense I seem to tire out quickly though, recovery is good usually a two rest on major lift days. Unfortunately I swing between two commercial gyms but the variety of free weights and machines are great for my area. Just wanting to add some size and lean out as best as possible. Currently 17%bf. @236lbs
I would definitely recommend test even at 200mg a week. Itll knock down body fat and help the anadrol do its thing properly.
If u just use droll you wouldn't reach the potential amount of gaining
 
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I would definitely recommend test even at 200mg a week. Itll knock down body fat and help the anadrol do its thing properly.
If u just use droll you wouldn't reach the potential amount of gaining



Damn, Trying to steer clear from test as much as possible, knowing I wouldn’t get the absolute best from drol. But I do understand and agree with you on test. Just trying to not run it
 
Damn, Trying to steer clear from test as much as possible, knowing I wouldn’t get the absolute best from drol. But I do understand and agree with you on test. Just trying to not run it
Let's see if someone else has some way of doing it maybe w HCG
or low dose of nolva
 
Let's see if someone else has some way of doing it maybe w HCG
or low dose of nolva


Yes! I am opening to options. I just like to do my research before I dive in! But if anyone has any insight on anything I’m totally open to options!


Thank you!
 
You'll feel like garbage without TEST. Yes its been regurgitated about test as a base, but there is a reason why.. why feel like ass expecting to make gains that you're only gonna loss and end up going into PCT feeling worst trying to recover..

Just run a test only cycle and go into PCT... the pro's far out weight the cons... Test only cycles are extremely underestimated.
 
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Yes! I am opening to options. I just like to do my research before I dive in! But if anyone has any insight on anything I’m totally open to options!


Thank you!
I'm always learning man . Also interested in what anyone has to share
 
You'll feel like garbage without TEST. Yes its been regurgitated about test as a base, but there is a reason why.. why feel like ass expecting to make gains that you're only gonna loss and end up going into PCT feeling worst trying to recover..

Just run a test only cycle and go into PCT... the pro's far out weight the cons... Test only cycles are extremely underestimated.



Thank you! I’ve run a test cycle only saw some good changes. I just wanted something I guess more convenient and easy. I appreciate the input!
 
I've done a few oral only cycles. There is a reason why most modern cycles include testosterone. If it ain't broke don't fix it. But hcg or proviron or there are some pro hormones that your body converts into testosterone that people use as a 'test base' if your hellbent on not running it.

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I've done a few oral only cycles. There is a reason why most modern cycles include testosterone. If it ain't broke don't fix it. But hcg or proviron or there are some pro hormones that your body converts into testosterone that people use as a 'test base' if your hellbent on not running it.

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Thanks for the info! Could running drol and proviron be beneficial?
 
I've done a few oral only cycles. There is a reason why most modern cycles include testosterone. If it ain't broke don't fix it. But hcg or proviron or there are some pro hormones that your body converts into testosterone that people use as a 'test base' if your hellbent on not running it.

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Nothing will simulate or duplicate the primary functions of testosterone, besides testosterone.. Ment is the only other compound that may came near.
Adding compounds that are suited for converting more, bio free Test (FT) won't do much if you have none.. Why take drugs that are said to assist with libido even for guys who are already on test with no libido, if one is not even on test period?
Cutting corners to try and achieve the same thing is like standing in a driveway, just because you're standing there, that doesn't make you a parked car..

"The dangers of ORAL only cycles"
There's a NEW concept of running orals only, on for a few days, switch oral to an other, and switch those, in a repeated interval. (based off an old-school protocol of orals only) Let me explain the hazarded and the potentials for failed results and unwanted side effects.

Here you will read some info I have put together 80% of the read, and some other info I have shared, A mix of feedback and input that explains the hazard and do's and don'ts.. After herring about oral only cycles and switching orals up every few day , here's my take in the instance

Let's talk a bout the "theory" orals off an on..
I'll begin with an opening statement by saying it's simply lousy and ineffective with everything that its attempting to be achieved..Oral hormones need to build a concentration in plasma,serum in the blood,this plasma in the blood medium provides information to other cellular groups that assist with enhancing and improving the drugs effectiveness and efficacy..This is why most (short half life drugs) inherent a protocol for its best advantage, there lets interpenetrate the results "steady,positive blood plasma, expressing optimal drug performance"

Now, you're gonna hear mix reviews on this supported with "regurgitated bro-science" all the while with no actual clinical data citing this to be effective. However, I have seen enough evidence that supports AAS having,creating a environment/platform with needs to have a steady on set/supply to remain effective..Each drug here in questions has a different course of action, half-life, plasma blood build-up etc etc, and each one independently and will imitate different metabolites and enzymes as they share different molecular and chemical structures/rational design and unique functionalities..

With this said: Now lets also take into great consideration AR upregulation with the presence of androgens, more AR sites throughout targeting tissue and these medications in the action in which is desired by the used..,There's a vast amount of activity in which a complex interplay between activation and inactivation mechanisms and signaling between cell groups (now think of all the AAS orals in questions, being used,discontinued and reapplied), what People need to remember that hormones are "chemical messengers" that rely on "CONTINUES" messages/instructions to cells that display specific receptors for each hormone and respond to the signaling..Depending on the compounds and the individuals metabolization ratio the hormone can/may make changes directly to a cell, by changing the genes that are activated (now initiating a response, only to stop and cut it short, for what real reason???), or by making changes indirectly to a cell by stimulating other signaling pathways inside a specific cell group that is effected and effect other processes, thus this can "initiate" an intracellular cascade of events, a slew of unwanted side effects and so on.. So, the notion to utilize orals for a short duration, discontinue and apply a completely different targeting compound will induce imbalance within the endocrine system, within the internal network and switches that are attempting to find homeostasis which represents the body's love of static systems within the body (regulations/rule and order). This applies for the CNS, muscle, fat, hormones, neurotransmitters and brain secretions, as everything needs to be seen within a narrow range. The body has checks and balances, there are many systems of checks and balances in the body. If one fails, there is usually another one which can pick up the slack, and when one level goes up, so will an other, this is all part of homeostasis, but to initiate a war intrancelluar with misfiring, activation, deactivation, awakenings and canalization will only yield a slew of unwanted side effects.. What's the reasons and target purpose? Gains? These " Anabolic Erudite wannabes" from numerous internet panels fail to make mention of blood work, RBC, and BP related issues, or the mechanisms and nuero activation and secretion desensitization? How about a PCT for such a Frankenstein oral stack? What's the long term goals, sides, and potentials... Smoke and mirrors with nothing but just a "new" designer bro stack supported with no actually finds to support its benefits" Absurd, DANGEROUS, and if anyone considers such protocol from a half wit who gave you a piece of his mind, and you held on to it than I'm sure a demitasse would fit his head like a sombrero. And if anyone believes what these crafty entrepreneurs with their million dollar ideas by promoting innovative concepts that seem attractive, but yet possess no clinical data to support short and long term benefits are effective, you might as well stand side by side with them farting peas at the moon!

End result:

Continuous intake of AAS or any therapeutic drugs involves measuring drug concentrations in plasma, serum or blood that will achieve desired effects This information is real life clinical supported text book findings, in which is used to individualist dosage so that drug concentrations can be maintained within a target range, while being fully optimal with its instructions and designed pathways ways and actions..

Drug concentration can NOT be disrupted, and repeated, expecting same or more pronounced effects and the blood plasma needs to build again and again, yielding more stress on the liver, in lieu of being counter productive attempting to hinder liver toxicity... If bloods are routinely measured post-workout,port meal,pro-sup intake, one will see an extreme increase in liver functions aside from AAS used, but attempting to achieve desired or limited adverse effects from orals may correlate better with plasma or blood concentrations than they do with dose that is steady, rather than sporadic, or irregular intervals, ineffective short intakes,and discontinuation and re-administration. Now for these AAS in questions, the positive concentration measurements are a valuable surrogate of daily drug exposure especially to the Androgen receptors which are almost found throughout cellular groups allover the system, as well as FAT and muscle cell/groups, now in-order to initiate a positive nitrogen balance and satellite cell recruitment as well as steady and stable IFG-1 serums by achieving a steady stable/saturated response on AR's in muscle cells to promote size/growth, these AAS orals need continuous supply to keep the blood serum/medium within at the operative ranges and signaling and the same gives for other cellular cascade effects on other cells and AR's or outside the AR's

There's is simply no therapeutically value for athletes and none can be measured when it concerns the pharmacokinetic of these compounds or these protocol variation, individualizing this unorthodox drug dosage, it's difficult for me or anyone that possess some keen understanding on it's actually potentials are.,this is particularly relevant for drugs with a narrow target range or concentration-dependent pharmacokinetics and makes zero sense. Keep in mind that similarly, the variations and effects that are trying to be achieved here can be achieve over time within an individual and results and occur over time for a range of reasons with these drugs drugs using a "SAFER" continuous PROTOCOL, long as there remains a positive blood serum..If not, the agent will loss all effectiveness each time it's started over!

Therapeutic drug behavior is measuring threw drug serum concentrations, not some fancy innovated concept with no backing..

The consequences are seriously and should be placed in to great question by anyway of interpretation of the result in which this is "founded" and by whom made claims that it may produce desirable results without a slew of problems. This requires vast amount knowledge in pharmacokinetics and not something that has been spouted forum or regurgitated a thousands times over.

There's an abundance of clinical research and peer-reviewed data that strongly supports everything I'm advocated

Below is a basic read about the processes taken place with shit down of HTPA
HPTA = Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular Axis

One of the hardest ACTUAL facts to find when searching through steroid and bodybuilding forums is how testosterone supplementation actually shuts you down.
It can be worse than trying to find a needle in a haystack, with a who's who of Bro science "professors" adding their own inaccurate take on things.

So HERE is exactly how Testosterone supplementation (AAS) Shuts you down.

Abbreviations


LH = Luteinizing hormone
HPTA = Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular Axis

FSH = Follicle stimulating hormone
GnRH = Gonadotropin releasing hormone

When exogenous Testosterone any type of steroid derivative is used, a cascade of actions take place in this order.

Your Hypothalamus (This is your master gland in your brain) secretes GnRH, that causes your pituitary gland to secrete LH & FSH.
The increase in these hormones causes the testes to stimulate the Leydig cells to produce testosterone (by conversion of cholesterol). Testosterone then has the ability to undergo various metabolic processes that will inhibit GnRH, which in turn inhibits the secretion of LH and FSH, and that brings a halt to natural testosterone production.
This is referred to as the negative feedback loop. Once testosterone has stopped being produced, it no longer sends this negative signal, and GnRH eventually begins to do its job again.

This is how homeostasis is maintained in the human body.
The whole idea of supplementing with steroids is to override the mechanism for negative feedback.
There is a huge misconception that we can take huge amounts of steroids and we do not have to worry about not producing testosterone because we are replacing it with an exogenous source.

The big problem with this is we have is that certain steroids cause this to a greater degree than others. Estrogenic steroids, or steroids referred to as wet bulking steroids, convert to the hormone estrogen in larger doses, and this causes greater suppression than an androgen alone.

"Aromatization mediates testosterone's short-term feedback restraint of 24-hour endogenously driven and acute exogenous gonadotropin-releasing hormone-stimulated luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone secretion in young men" "J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Jun;86(6):2600-6. The increased estrogen sends signals that there is to much conversion, while your Hypothalamus sends signals that too much estrogen is in your system, so the secretion of LH and FSH is halted. The leydig cells stop producing test, until homeostatis is met, and testosterone has a higher ratio to estrogen than it currently has. Using something to stop this conversion like aromasin, arimidex or letrozole can also decrease the amount of shutdown caused, or speed up the recovery process.

Some steroids are not as inhibitory of testosterone production partly because of the fact they do not confer to estrogen, Anavar being one, and it doesn't saturate androgen recepetors as trenbolone would.

Saturation of the Androgen receptor or increased androgen levels in the blood are the main cause of shutdown, and with steroids like trenbolone, the effects last much longer because the metabolites linger in

CONCLUSION:
Exogenous Testosterone needs to be employed with any oral steroid stack, period!
 
Thank you! I’ve run a test cycle only saw some good changes. I just wanted something I guess more convenient and easy. I appreciate the input!

Hey man in no way do I mean this as a dick head comment but if your just looking for the convenient and easy way I would rethink what your goals from using these compounds are. Obviously there are a lot of pros but also cons that we forget about sometimes. Just my .02 I would definitely throw in even a lower dose of test


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Hey man in no way do I mean this as a dick head comment but if your just looking for the convenient and easy way I would rethink what your goals from using these compounds are. Obviously there are a lot of pros but also cons that we forget about sometimes. Just my .02 I would definitely throw in even a lower dose of test


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no problem there man, I guess I just wanted to see if there was a easier way to do it, Sounds ridiculous I know. Traveling for work makes it very difficult and sketchy when on flights to take everything I need with me. Convenience is key! If there was a better way!
 
no problem there man, I guess I just wanted to see if there was a easier way to do it, Sounds ridiculous I know. Traveling for work makes it very difficult and sketchy when on flights to take everything I need with me. Convenience is key! If there was a better way!

I get it man we all look for that haha you got some guys giving you solid advice in here and your doing your own research as well I hope you get it figured out bud


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If your dead set on not running inj then maybe you should look into running sarms. They are def higher underestimated but the people like me that have ran them know how well they work! I ran rad-140 and yk-11. I was cruising while I ran them put my strength and weight we’re going up which never happens on a cruise.


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Thanks for the info! Could running drol and proviron be beneficial?
I've heard people say it is beneficial for libido, especially during deca only cycles. I've never tried it. I'm on TRT, having even a replacement dose in your system is sooo helpful...I'd never go without. Why reinvent the wheel?

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Obviously you are going to run an oral only cycle no matter what so these are my thoughts. I think you would be better off running a slightly lower dose but for at least 6 weeks not 4. Blasting high dose orals for only 4 weeks is going to make you water balloon and then lose it all. Your muscle tissue needs time to grow. So if you’re gonna do an oral only cycle then try this for 6 weeks:
Dbol 30-40mg per day
Proviron 25-50mg per day
HCGenerate 3-5 pills a day throughout to keep your nuts good.
N2Guard for your liver
Aromasin as needed. I don’t know how you aromatize.
PCT should be the continuation of HCGenerate and Clomid for a few weeks
I personally would not run an oral only cycle. But if you are going to do an oral only cycle either way then I think this method would yield the best results. Anavar will shut you down and will not aromatize, which is a bad combo. You’re body needs the estrogen to function correctly. Anavar only is likely to make you feel like shit. Dbol does aromatize and that’s why it was originally used for trt purposes. Obviously you don’t want estrogen too high but you don’t want zero!
 
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If your dead set on not running inj then maybe you should look into running sarms. They are def higher underestimated but the people like me that have ran them know how well they work! I ran rad-140 and yk-11. I was cruising while I ran them put my strength and weight we’re going up which never happens on a cruise.


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Ding Ding..
 
If your dead set on not running inj then maybe you should look into running sarms. They are def higher underestimated but the people like me that have ran them know how well they work! I ran rad-140 and yk-11. I was cruising while I ran them put my strength and weight we’re going up which never happens on a cruise.


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Good advice
 
I’ll just share my experience when I tried running a oral only cycle. This was several years ago and I had no business even doing steroids at this time. Without doing any research or even really having the ability like we do today to do research I decided I was going to run a Winstrol only cycle. I felt really good the first week and noticed all the positive attributes stanozolol had to offer but towards the end of the second week I started feeling extremely lethargic. By week three I was so lethargic I felt it difficult to even finish simple workouts and decided to throw it in the towel. Just from thoes three weeks on Winstrol only by week four when I had quit taking it physically I was in a worse position than when I first started. It took me a good 5-6 weeks to feel completely normal again and get my body functioning like it was prior. I also had absolutely no sex drive from the end of week 2 all the way until a couple weeks after the 4 week pct I did.

If your not willing to inject testosterone then I would strongly reconsider taking any aas. As others have mentioned sarms may be a good option but just make sure you do your research because quite a few of them are actually suppressive unlike how they were first marketed. Their are a few that won’t cause suppression so like I said just do your research.

They do have oral testosterone or testosterone gel that you could use in this case to be able to run a four week or a cycle however the gel is not really reliable and can easily run off onto your spouse or children. They both really aren’t too bioavailable and pretty expensive. You’d pay about 3x to 5x the amount you would for a bottle or two of testosterone.
 
You will get gains even without testosterone in your system. My understanding is bodybuilders often didn't use it in the 70s and 80s. But you also have to realize there are secondary consequences like low to no estrodiol which believe it or not is crucial to optimal functioning.

That's why our body converts testosterone to some estrogen naturally. Homeostasis...it's a wonderful thing my friend.

https://youtu.be/ZN8r8NTow6I

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Waste of time ,,money and health ,,will be the outcome...........If injecting is a problem,,then AAS isn't for you.!!........Think of it as ,,you want to box,,but you don't like getting hit.Then boxing isn't for you.!!
 
You will get gains even without testosterone in your system. My understanding is bodybuilders often didn't use it in the 70s and 80s. But you also have to realize there are secondary consequences like low to no estrodiol which believe it or not is crucial to optimal functioning.

That's why our body converts testosterone to some estrogen naturally. Homeostasis...it's a wonderful thing my friend.

https://youtu.be/ZN8r8NTow6I

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Which is exactly why I told him to run dbol. Check out the cycle I outlined for him a few posts ago
 
Which is exactly why I told him to run dbol. Check out the cycle I outlined for him a few posts ago

I do like the cycle outlined for me. But damn in that case it would be easier to do dbol and test injections. I could stay at a small dosage then. Then just run clomid after 6 weeks


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I do like the cycle outlined for me. But damn in that case it would be easier to do dbol and test injections. I could stay at a small dosage then. Then just run clomid after 6 weeks


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Think about it, use oral clomid after 6 week cycle, run dbol and test (dosage? Amount?) with Aromasin 12.5mg for 6 week


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Well if your back on board with test then just do regular cycle. 6 weeks isn’t really gonna cut it. Of you use test prop then you could do a shorter cycle but at least 8 weeks I would say but then that’s a lot of pinning. And it doesn’t seem like you want a lot of pinning. If you’re going to run test e then just do a regular cycle. Like 500mg a week for 10-12 weeks. And just pick any 6 weeks of that where you run the dbol at like 30-40mg per day. And yes aromasin for sure.
 
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