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Mexican cartel raids entire city near our border

Ever since the Mexican government caved in and let El Chapo's son go under pressure the cartels have become more brazen.

The Mexican government has allowed the cartels to gain way too much power by turning a blind eye to hard drug trafficking.
 
heavyiron said:
Ever since the Mexican government caved in and let El Chapo's son go under pressure the cartels have become more brazen.

The Mexican government has allowed the cartels to gain way too much power by turning a blind eye to hard drug trafficking.
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Although I support Trump, Trump believes that he can unite with the Mexican military and our resources and both countries can topple the drug cartels haha..
There is far too many rats and informants on both sides of the fence in Mexico, it is far too corrupt.. it is equivalent to American soldiers and South Vietnam soldiers going into the jungle, and American soldiers being ambushed but the South Viet Cong soldiers run for their lives (because they knew the ambush was coming)..
 
heavyiron said:
Ever since the Mexican government caved in and let El Chapo's son go under pressure the cartels have become more brazen.

The Mexican government has allowed the cartels to gain way too much power by turning a blind eye to hard drug trafficking.
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yes, because the cartel funnels money to them... the same way big pharma runs the FDA in this country.
 
Last I read, Mexico was about to legalize weed nation-wide, just as Canada has done and of course a bunch of states in the US.

What do you guys think: Should they also legalize coke and meth, cutting out the legs from underneath the cartels?

Should we do the same?
 
Did you hear about that White Supremacist that murdered all those Mexicans in the US near THEIR border? Crazy shit.

In Seattle its easier to buy heroin on the corner than find a liquor store.... I don't think legalization will make anything any more available. Maybe the heartland will get to buy good coke and can leave the meth alone, I don't know. But things can't get much worse.
 
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chocolatemalt said:
Last I read, Mexico was about to legalize weed nation-wide, just as Canada has done and of course a bunch of states in the US.

What do you guys think: Should they also legalize coke and meth, cutting out the legs from underneath the cartels?

Should we do the same?
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I don’t have enough will power. If coke were legal..... I’d be smoking cigs and drinking every night again. It’s a can of worms.... so, for the sake of Milford Kings mental health... let’s just keep the stims and the hardcore opiates illegal. Least that way it’s more of a pain in the ass for me to get my paws on.
 
Milford King said:
I don’t have enough will power. If coke were legal..... I’d be smoking cigs and drinking every night again. It’s a can of worms.... so, for the sake of Milford Kings mental health... let’s just keep the stims and the hardcore opiates illegal. Least that way it’s more of a pain in the ass for me to get my paws on.
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I hear ya. And I've got a similar weakness.

And the same arguments were made back in the teens (1910's that is) about alcohol and solving the "saloon drunk culture" that existed at the time, and it was a big problem. That led to Prohibition.

But politically, this is a pretty anti-Libertarian argument. Continue or even beef up the War on Drugs that started way back under Nixon in the early 70's, maybe eventually we'll "win"? Hmm.
 
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chocolatemalt said:
I hear ya. And I've got a similar weakness.

And the same arguments were made back in the teens (1910's that is) about alcohol and solving the "saloon drunk culture" that existed at the time, and it was a big problem. That led to Prohibition.

But politically, this is a pretty anti-Libertarian argument. Continue or even beef up the War on Drugs that started way back under Nixon in the early 70's, maybe eventually we'll "win"? Hmm.
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I’m not saying that, bro.

im all for ‘de-criminalization’.... just don’t want it legal. Same as prostitution. Don’t penalize the girls, help them, but don’t let our youth think it’s a viable solution in life.

Keep porn out of reach of kids too. It’s a hollow life.
 
the cartels have grown so powerful and so incredibly wealthy it’s far too late to stop them. Does anyone else think the cartels already own parts of California, Arizona, Texas and I’m sure many various cities across our country?


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HFO3 said:
the cartels have grown so powerful and so incredibly wealthy it’s far too late to stop them. Does anyone else think the cartels already own parts of California, Arizona, Texas and I’m sure many various cities across our country?


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When you put those lenses in the glasses,it definitely gives you a different perspective.. if organized crime can kill a president of the US (JFK), than nothing can stop the momentum of such a grand enterprises that is out there today!
 
Money talks and the cartel has billions of it. That makes them very persuasive and powerful in a very poor country. There’s no way the US will be able to stop the cartel. They have too much of the government in their pocket and the public is too afraid, weak and poor to stand up against them as well. Even in a hypothetical situation of legalizing all rec drugs, the cartel would be that Marlboro or Budweiser of the market. Meaning, they would control the market because they are the already established and operating “big corporate” company. All they’re lacking is the legal contracts which they would just buy by paying people off or threatening by killing to get the documents and licensing needed.
 
How many nukes does Mexico have again?


but seriously, the US military would undoubtedly spank the cartel. If need be. You guys seriously think the drug cartels of Mexico have a chance if we declare war?

no way.

unfortunately, the US benefits from the cartels. Hence, the whole ‘take them off there feet by legalizing drugs”... but that too would result in negative consequences.

I say military expansion 100%. And don’t stop at Mexico.... there’s a whole other continent that we could totally exploit.

maybe that’s just the dictator in me, but I think the Western Hemisphere should be the American Empire run under authority of the United States.
 
Sherk said:
Money talks and the cartel has billions of it. That makes them very persuasive and powerful in a very poor country. There’s no way the US will be able to stop the cartel. They have too much of the government in their pocket and the public is too afraid, weak and poor to stand up against them as well. Even in a hypothetical situation of legalizing all rec drugs, the cartel would be that Marlboro or Budweiser of the market. Meaning, they would control the market because they are the already established and operating “big corporate” company. All they’re lacking is the legal contracts which they would just buy by paying people off or threatening by killing to get the documents and licensing needed.
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Yup, spot on.
 
Political corruption runs in all countries in existence. The difference is it varies in the level of transparency, which is solely dependent on the wealth of said country. The more wealthy the country the less visible the gov’t corruption is...assumptions are made but not well proven. In the case of Mexico, it’s quite obvious because the Cartels make it known “who is in their pocket,” when said individual gets out of line. As far as legalizing narcotics, that will never happen. Marijuana is on course for de-criminalization and full legalization (probably will hold same legal standard as alcohol and tobacco). Marijuana is far less dangerous then cocaine, meth, and heroin. The problem (Cartels) have existed in Mexico for decades.
 
Milford King said:
How many nukes does Mexico have again?


but seriously, the US military would undoubtedly spank the cartel. If need be. You guys seriously think the drug cartels of Mexico have a chance if we declare war?

no way.

unfortunately, the US benefits from the cartels. Hence, the whole ‘take them off there feet by legalizing drugs”... but that too would result in negative consequences.

I say military expansion 100%. And don’t stop at Mexico.... there’s a whole other continent that we could totally exploit.

maybe that’s just the dictator in me, but I think the Western Hemisphere should be the American Empire run under authority of the United States.
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no of course they wouldn’t have a prayers chance in hell to survive much lees win, but that’s a war that can never happen on a any level, can you imagine the ripple effects lmao. It would be an open border of refugees of every walk of life fleeing across and then the civil unrest here would certainly be catastrophic
 
Those of you who are thinking that our military would have much effect on cartels in Mexico probably haven’t been in combat in this current military state. Our troops have their hands tied more often than not in this kinder/gentler climate of military operations. The ridiculous ROEs put more lives at risk than I’m prepared to see my brothers and sisters have to endure.

Mexico is not the USA. Let them work their own shit out...or not.
 
I hear Cartels are now producing AAS .

If it makes $ , they are on it.
 
We could obliterate the cartels if they'd just come out and fight in open battlefields like normal armies.

We've had mixed luck with occupation/police work with our military recently: Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria. Trump says he's withdrawing our forces from "endless wars" and just announced negotiations with the Taliban to that end. Not sure if we'd have better luck against the cartels. It'd also be pretty interesting if Trump committed to such a massive war, even with his offer to do so to the Mexican president.

Another perspective: Size of the nations involved, let alone massive funding differential for the cartels.

Syria: 17,000,000
Afghanistan: 38,000,000
Iraq: 39,000,000
Mexico: 128,000,000

One nice upside however would be the short flight times for our high end bombers from Ellsworth AB in South Dakota. No more crazy halfway round the world w/ multiple air refuelings bombing runs.
 
CoachCabo said:
Those of you who are thinking that our military would have much effect on cartels in Mexico probably haven’t been in combat in this current military state. Our troops have their hands tied more often than not in this kinder/gentler climate of military operations. The ridiculous ROEs put more lives at risk than I’m prepared to see my brothers and sisters have to endure.

Mexico is not the USA. Let them work their own shit out...or not.
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I thought our guys got new freedom when Mattis came onto the scene? I remember reading they got way more freedom than under Obama.

Plus Trump has a record of pardoning guys that get charged with killing during war.
 
heavyiron said:
I thought our guys got new freedom when Mattis came onto the scene? I remember reading they got way more freedom than under Obama.

Plus Trump has a record of pardoning guys that get charged with killing during war.
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The culture turned to a bunch of careerists afraid to do anything that might jeopardize the next promotion or taint their careers. Even if command is given more latitude, if it means risking scrutiny, they err on the side of caution. Which means great peril for soldiers, sailors and Marines.
I joined in 1983 and was out in 2011. My tours in 2006-2008 were appalling, the direct focus of superiors being making the next paygrade. I wasn’t promotable so I was a serious thorn in their sides because I DGAF and pointed out their shortcomings almost daily.
Mexico ain’t worth it. Although they might first like the help, they’d grow tired of us very quickly. People bitch about Mexicans in the USA, imagine if we’re the Mexican military.
Another thing to consider is that where the government has failed the people, the cartels have filled in. Cartel leaders are folk heroes in many places.
 
chocolatemalt said:
Last I read, Mexico was about to legalize weed nation-wide, just as Canada has done and of course a bunch of states in the US.

What do you guys think: Should they also legalize coke and meth, cutting out the legs from underneath the cartels?

Should we do the same?
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Legal weed didn’t take away the black market. I lived in Seattle for awhile when I got out of the military and after weed was legalized the black market seemed to have gotten bigger. I dont know many people who actually used the weed shops regularly they were more utilized for when you were on the go and ran out without a dealer around. Also the guys on the legal side of things were also still in the black market almost always. Especially when they would harvest a grow and it wouldn’t get approved for one reason or another they certainly didn’t just throw all thoes pounds of weed away
 
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Jswole220 said:
Legal weed didn’t take away the black market. I lived in Seattle for awhile when I got out of the military and after weed was legalized the black market seemed to have gotten bigger. I dont know many people who actually used the weed shops regularly they were more utilized for when you were on the go and ran out without a dealer around. Also the guys on the legal side of things were also still in the black market almost always. Especially when they would harvest a grow and it wouldn’t get approved for one reason or another they certainly didn’t just throw all thoes pounds of weed away
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It can definitely be done wrong. Dunno first hand the details about WA (sounds bad from your story) but CA just did it with taxes and fees way too high, so growers trying to be legal get hammered by low or negative profits while their unlicensed neighboring farms still rake it in.

CO did it much better, pot shops popped up everywhere (where locally allowed) and prices are about what you'd expect -- not cheap but not horrible, and the quality is astonishing. Most people especially tourists aren't going to bother finding a black market source any sooner than you'd do so for a bottle of whiskey. The black market does still thrive but mainly for high volume export to other states.
 
Only in California could there be a depressed market for legally selling weed, gheesh, they recently voted to add another 4% tax, totaling 15% excise tax, CA is choking the life out of legal weed and giving life to black market sellers. I read it’s gonna be about 50$ for an 1/8!
I don’t smoke but I have friends that do and they’d never pay that much. I’m pretty sure it’s still below national standard cost here, roughly 20$ an 1/8 is black market cost in my area


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On the bright side I hear coke is quality and cheap. Someone told me it’s $100/8-ball. IIRC, we paid $300 in the early 80s and a gram was $100.
Such a success, this war on drugs.
 
the military could easily win a war with cartels if they start from the top down. These criminal foot soldiers arent fighting for a religion or for their country, they are paid by the leaders to be a force for their criminal organization. they will run when the fight isnt going their way, the guys on top will quickly give up their entire organization once caught
 
CoachCabo said:
On the bright side I hear coke is quality and cheap. Someone told me it’s $100/8-ball. IIRC, we paid $300 in the early 80s and a gram was $100.
Such a success, this war on drugs.
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A quality gram is still $100 and 8-ball is $250 only if you're lucky, in much of the country. So I've heard. From people at the... gas station I think. I didn't know them.

Oh, and they're still stepping on the shit pretty badly.

I've seen maps of the price and there's definitely a distance differential -- much cheaper near MX, much dearer in the Northeast.

This cool map from NDIC (feds) shows trafficking patterns (meth here but should be similar for other stuff from MX) which ought to closely correlate with expected prices.

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