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Deca and Sides

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I had my heart set on running a nice long bulk this winter test/deca and rest TBD. I ran npp and had no issues. Actually felt like a god on that shit. But I've read some nasty stories about sexual dysfunction with deca. Does deca carry a higher risk of these sides than other drugs? Maybe I'm reading into a few experiences too much? But after fighting crazy ed all year I'm not into risking too much...honestly I'd drop all aas if I thought that was the answer. I wont start anything til the plumbing is back to working properly.

I know that it's always a risk - curious what the consensus here at ASF is though.

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bigbeaph said:
I had my heart set on running a nice long bulk this winter test/deca and rest TBD. I ran npp and had no issues. Actually felt like a god on that shit. But I've read some nasty stories about sexual dysfunction with deca. Does deca carry a higher risk of these sides than other drugs? Maybe I'm reading into a few experiences too much? But after fighting crazy ed all year I'm not into risking too much...honestly I'd drop all aas if I thought that was the answer. I wont start anything til the plumbing is back to working properly.

I know that it's always a risk - curious what the consensus here at ASF is though.

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Until now, ive kept it to 450 or lower with b6 supp and had no problems. Running 600 now with b6 and no problems so far. Keep some caber on hand and e2 in check and ahould be fine assuming the dose isnt crazy high. That's just me experience tho.
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Until now, ive kept it to 450 or lower with b6 supp and had no problems. Running 600 now with b6 and no problems so far. Keep some caber on hand and e2 in check and ahould be fine assuming the dose isnt crazy high. That's just me experience tho.
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Thanks! I was thinking around 500 - I dont get too nuts with doses. B6 is for extra prolactin control?

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I have to run Masteron with Deca or I have serious ED issues (obviously I run test as well). I don't run much deca, just add enough for joint support to my cycles.
 
brother.. i personally believe if npp worked great for you.. then do as I do.. use both.

With npp .. you have the phenylprop ester.. 4.5 - 5 days half life.. so when you inject this product 2 - 3 times a week, the nandrolone side effects don't add up to much because it's in and out of your system so quickly..

Nandrolone Deca.. the Deca ester.. is a 15 day half life.. so when you blast this ester twice weekly.. Your levels just keep getting hire and hire.. as oppose to the NPP reaching the peak levels around day 2-3.. and then decreasing.

With this in mind.. Thru the winter.. most I'll run for Deca is 300mg week.. while adding .5mL of NPP to my injections, 2x week.. for a total of 400mgs of Nandrolone per week.

Also.. i've always had ed issues.. since i was a teen.. thanks to improper usage and understanding of steroids.. i've spent many years trying to figure out what works for me.. esp now that im middle aged..
And after learning that I hardly ever use more than 400mg of any compound per week anymore and get better results with lower mgs than higher.. I also found out that Cialis is the best ED medication on the planet..

If you've not tried ours out.. you should ... Ever since I started using 10mg of cialis daily (replacing sketchy viagra).. my dick has a new lease on life..
I fuck better now than any other time in my life.. My dick is rock solid .. and the sensation of what you feel seems very enhanced..
Further more.. My girl has now offered to pay for my cialis for as long as we're together... She's a very naughty woman.. and requires much attention in the sack..
I've never had soo much success in the bedroom ....

No exaggeration whatsoever .. If you don't get our cialis.. just get it from somewhere ... You'll be glad you did.
 
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brother.. i personally believe if npp worked great for you.. then do as I do.. use both.

With npp .. you have the phenylprop ester.. 4.5 - 5 days half life.. so when you inject this product 2 - 3 times a week, the nandrolone side effects don't add up to much because it's in and out of your system so quickly..

Nandrolone Deca.. the Deca ester.. is a 15 day half life.. so when you blast this ester twice weekly.. Your levels just keep getting hire and hire.. as oppose to the NPP reaching the peak levels around day 2-3.. and then decreasing.

With this in mind.. Thru the winter.. most I'll run for Deca is 300mg week.. while adding .5mL of NPP to my injections, 2x week.. for a total of 400mgs of Nandrolone per week.

Also.. i've always had ed issues.. since i was a teen.. thanks to improper usage and understanding of steroids.. i've spent many years trying to figure out what works for me.. esp now that im middle aged..
And after learning that I hardly ever use more than 400mg of any compound per week anymore and get better results with lower mgs than higher.. I also found out that Cialis is the best ED medication on the planet..

If you've not tried ours out.. you should ... Ever since I started using 10mg of cialis daily (replacing sketchy viagra).. my dick has a new lease on life..
I fuck better now than any other time in my life.. My dick is rock solid .. and the sensation of what you feel seems very enhanced..
Further more.. My girl has now offered to pay for my cialis for as long as we're together... She's a very naughty woman.. and requires much attention in the sack..
I've never had soo much success in the bedroom ....

No exaggeration whatsoever .. If you don't get our cialis.. just get it from somewhere ... You'll be glad you did.
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That's an interesting way of doing it - makes a lot of sense. Cialis has always helped in the past great for me but over the last 7-8 months its had no effect...or very little. I even took 90mg one night - figuring I'd f*** and head to the er to fix the priapism....couldn't even have sex. I'm starting the ed low dose a couple days ago...hope your system works for me too!

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Did a solo deca run after crashing test and I still have yet to have a libido as strong as I did during that run. Since then I’ve done deca with test since then and all I got was side effects and none of the euphoria or libido increase from solo


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I ran .5mg caber 2x per week while I was on my test + deca cycle. Didn't experience any bad side effects from it, but I didn't notice the lubed joints like some people say. It also shut me down really hard, had a hell of a time after my PCT. Lost a lot. Deca did get me to my strongest point that I ever was though when I was on it. And now that I have made the choice to no longer PCT I would definitely try it again. Think I'm going to do NPP next time though.
 
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NPP and Deca are very similar, just one is short ester and one is long. I prefer Deca, its my favorite compound for bulking.

You need to know your body well going into a Nandrolone cycle, because if you can control your estrogen you will also control your prolactin and you wont need Caber.

Get bloodwork, have an AI and Caber on hand. And keep Test slightly higher, and youll be good.


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I ran both in the past w winstrol inj. Decca/winny was amazing as far as gains and feeling really good physically/mentally, but it killed my erections. I took a cruise with a light dose of Tren E for a few months. Then ran NPP/Winny... Much better. Wasn't like a rock, but it was there. I just took 50mg Viagra for ins. At the time I knew nothing of CABER. After further research and with the help of these fine gentleman on this board, I'm going to incorporate CABER this NPP cycle I'm starting in the next week or so. We'll see what happens. I agree with my man up top. Everybody's a bit different, you just have to be in tune with your body and how it respondes to different compounds. Just like diet and training brother. Pay close attention, ask these guys questions and you'll figure it out... Good luck brother.

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Dukey said:
I ran both in the past w winstrol inj. Decca/winny was amazing as far as gains and feeling really good physically/mentally, but it killed my erections. I took a cruise with a light dose of Tren E for a few months. Then ran NPP/Winny... Much better. Wasn't like a rock, but it was there. I just took 50mg Viagra for ins. At the time I knew nothing of CABER. After further research and with the help of these fine gentleman on this board, I'm going to incorporate CABER this NPP cycle I'm starting in the next week or so. We'll see what happens. I agree with my man up top. Everybody's a bit different, you just have to be in tune with your body and how it respondes to different compounds. Just like diet and training brother. Pay close attention, ask these guys questions and you'll figure it out... Good luck brother.

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Appreciate the feedback guys. Being honest...I have a helluva time getting my a.i. dosage right. I need to do bloods every 2 weeks it seems to stay on top...which probably isnt in the picture. Maybe deca isnt the best idea..

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I have never had one side from Deca but that's just how some of us are.......To be honest ,I've played with my doses of Deca and found (for me) 300-400 works great...Yes, more works better but not that much...So, if you've on the fence,stay around 300 and see how it goes..
 
you can control your estro and also control your prolactin, but you can't completely control your progesterone which is my big problem with the 19nor.
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and yes, my cock suffers and even the nipples.

we are different and react differently, you just have to try and be ready to fight the side or to take off the product.
 
So, if I was to do 300mg/deca a week, I’m already on 140mg (test-c) prescribed for trt, do I need to run Caber? To be safe? If so, when would I start it (Caber) and at what dosage? Through the trt I already take anastrozole at .5mg (half a pill) 48 hours after receiving the test-c injection. My apologies for “hi-jacking” the thread but reading it sorta lead to more questions for me.
 
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So, if I was to do 300mg/deca a week, I’m already on 140mg (test-c) prescribed for trt, do I need to run Caber? To be safe? If so, when would I start it (Caber) and at what dosage? Through the trt I already take anastrozole at .5mg (half a pill) 48 hours after receiving the test-c injection. My apologies for “hi-jacking” the thread but reading it sorta lead to more questions for me.
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I'm no expert here but my understanding is if you keep estrogen in check that caber may not be of much use. I ran my npp higher and had no progesterone problems..its a conversion issue. It seems most guys need it when running much higher doses. Bottom line is you wont know for sure until you get some bloods pulled.

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I run 500mg/week Deca and 750/mg/week test E and At 50 years old I have no issues getting hard. However takes twice as long to nutt. Wife does not mind but it wears me the fuck out. I assume it’s the Deca causing it. My sleeping on the other hand is SHIT. I wake up with the sound of a cotton ball falling on carpet and can’t get back to sleep for hours. I average 3 to 4 hours sleep a day. Don’t know if it’s gear causing it or what but it SUCKS ASS.
 
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So, if I was to do 300mg/deca a week, I’m already on 140mg (test-c) prescribed for trt, do I need to run Caber? To be safe? If so, when would I start it (Caber) and at what dosage? Through the trt I already take anastrozole at .5mg (half a pill) 48 hours after receiving the test-c injection. My apologies for “hi-jacking” the thread but reading it sorta lead to more questions for me.
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You only need to take Caber if your prolactin levels are high. You dont take Caber randomly, or for precaution. You need bloodwork to know when to take it. If you control your estrogen with an AI you will also control your prolactin and you wont even need Caber.


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Badknees said:
I run 500mg/week Deca and 750/mg/week test E and At 50 years old I have no issues getting hard. However takes twice as long to nutt. Wife does not mind but it wears me the fuck out. I assume it’s the Deca causing it. My sleeping on the other hand is SHIT. I wake up with the sound of a cotton ball falling on carpet and can’t get back to sleep for hours. I average 3 to 4 hours sleep a day. Don’t know if it’s gear causing it or what but it SUCKS ASS.
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Good god man! That’s a serious cycle! That’s a lot of test! What kind of results have you seen?
 
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although you are referencing the same drug in my humble opinion for myself they both function like a completely different drugs.. NPP at high dosage even out performs at self at moderate dosages like another completely different drugs.

Nandrolone decanoate is my go to compound.
I run mast and proviron with it and 10mg Cialis everyday or every other day. Very rarely do I need to incorporate caber, but when I do that's mostly when my dosages 750mg..
In my humble opinion it doesn't matter what testosterone ratio you run because even at 1g that won't make any difference with performance or combating any side effects. The game changer is going to be lowering your shbg and keeping your estrogen in check, having low shbg with more free T is what's going to make the difference in the end.. that will keep you functioning like a MALE, while the nandrolone decanoate is the workhorse working in the background..
This is the one compound that I seriously abused and used for long durations.. nothing makes me feel better than the combination of testosterone, masteron and nandrolone decanate..
I know this is a very unpopular statement but nandrolone decanoate really shines when you exceed 750, give your macros holy hell and carb up.. nandrolone loves calories and it loves carbs...
 
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although you are referencing the same drug in my humble opinion for myself they both function like a completely different drugs.. NPP at high dosage even out performs at self at moderate dosages like another completely different drugs.

Nandrolone decanoate is my go to compound.
I run mast and proviron with it and 10mg Cialis everyday or every other day. Very rarely do I need to incorporate caber, but when I do that's mostly when my dosages 750mg..
In my humble opinion it doesn't matter what testosterone ratio you run because even at 1g that won't make any difference with performance or combating any side effects. The game changer is going to be lowering your shbg and keeping your estrogen in check, having low shbg with more free T is what's going to make the difference in the end.. that will keep you functioning like a MALE, while the nandrolone decanoate is the workhorse working in the background..
This is the one compound that I seriously abused and used for long durations.. nothing makes me feel better than the combination of testosterone, masteron and nandrolone decanate..
I know this is a very unpopular statement but nandrolone decanoate really shines when you exceed 750, give your macros holy hell and carb up.. nandrolone loves calories and it loves carbs...
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What do you use to keep shbg levels low?

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I think the problem with Deca is the half lif while only 15 days its detectable in your system for 3 months, possibly while some might think the did a PCT and are clear still have lingering sides
 
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I think the problem with Deca is the half lif while only 15 days its detectable in your system for 3 months, possibly while some might think the did a PCT and are clear still have lingering sides
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Indeed, the long half-life (15 days) coupled with taking a weekly dose means the drug is steadily building up in the system in large amounts....no? Half of your first dose will still remain in your system, upon taking your third injection. Is this correct?
 
Flashrogue said:
Good god man! That’s a serious cycle! That’s a lot of test! What kind of results have you seen?
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Results are good considering my age, diet, and gym time. I only taking in in between 1400 and 1700 calories a day and doing about 2 hours for 3 days a week in the gym. Trying to get down to 190 from 210. I was loosing muscle at an alarming rate so I thought this cycle would help with that. I’m adding in anavar Monday.
 
I just found out for sure all my ed problems were from dam beta blockers. Now I want to run deca again haha...keep those good reports coming!

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Badknees said:
Results are good considering my age, diet, and gym time. I only taking in in between 1400 and 1700 calories a day and doing about 2 hours for 3 days a week in the gym. Trying to get down to 190 from 210. I was loosing muscle at an alarming rate so I thought this cycle would help with that. I’m adding in anavar Monday.
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I hear you bro, I’m not to far behind you (late 40’s). I’m contemplating an Anavar / Deca cycle myself. I’m still planning it out and will probably start 1st or 2nd week in November. I’m dialing in my diet needs, getting some blood work done, etc...before I embark. I really want the cycle to succeed (meet my goals), so I’m researching as much as I can. This forum ROCKS! I have learned a ton and feeling confident about my choices!
 
Badknees said:
Results are good considering my age, diet, and gym time. I only taking in in between 1400 and 1700 calories a day and doing about 2 hours for 3 days a week in the gym. Trying to get down to 190 from 210. I was loosing muscle at an alarming rate so I thought this cycle would help with that. I’m adding in anavar Monday.
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The nandrolone will definitely help in that department.. don't be afraid to throw in some carbs after your workout..in fact you'll need it if you're doing 2 hours.. I would suggest doing an immediate post carb..
 
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