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    Try this:

    1. 5 eggs, 1/2 cup oats, one slice of Dave's Killer Bread Good Seed, one cup of tea or coffee with no sweetener

    2. 6-8 ounces of meat. Your choice. Raw meat that you cook, not processed meat or deli meat (chicken has cost going for it, fish and beef and turkey and kangaroo and horse and dog are all acceptable choices).
    1/2 cup white rice, or similar amount of potato or sweet potato.
    One cup of broccoli, asparagus, or as much raw spinach leaves as you like.

    3. Repeat.

    4. Repeat.

    5 Repeat. Take out the carb source from this meal if you make no progress on getting leaner the first week.

    Run a tape measure around your waist at the belly button (not down on your hips where you wear your pants, up on the belly button) and record the measurement once a week. Do the same for your upper arms, upper legs, and chest (around the nipple area). Record your scale weight once a week.

    Record everything you eat and drink in MyFitnessPal religiously.

    Get blood test results for your estrogen levels. Keep in mind that you will have less conversion as you get leaner, so the first result is not the be-all-end-all.

    Consider adding in some cardio on a stairmaster or elliptical 3-4 times a week, fasted in the AM if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blimpy View Post
    How's your estrogen levels on 300mg? Could be holding alot of water. What's your training look like? Get under some weights son!
    I've only been on the 300mg dose for 4 weeks so not sure how estrogen is. I have had a little acne and been feeling relatively depressed. But that could be down to my ridiculous work schedule this month.

    As said i have put in for blood work. Received my kit this morning just waiting for the clinic appointment to get the venous sample taken.

    I'm also hypothyroid and i have to admit, I've not been waiting the stated 30 minutes before eating/drinking after my levo pill in the morning. So made sure to add thyroid function to my blood panel to be tested.

    My routine is basically stronglifts 5 x 5.

    I know man, my body is desperately in need of mass lol.
    Last edited by Mr.Hop; 08-13-2019 at 03:36 PM.

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    Where do you live? You may not need a clinic appointment to do your own blood work.

    Look here:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Hop View Post
    I never said that i wanted to lose weight. I wanted to bulk and started my bulk 4 weeks ago.

    Shit unfortunately gone bad in them 4 weeks and i have gained a considerable amount of abdominal fat...

    I under the impression of calories are calories. Providing protein, carb and fat goals are reached then i heard that it doesn't exactly matter how you make the calories up? Again I'm clearly no expert with this. I'm just saying my logic behind the diet.
    Yeah a calorie is not just a calorie unfortunately. Things like milk, cheese, bread are crappy sources of proteins/fats/carbs when compared to things like chicken, fish, lean beef, rice, oats, etc.

    What you're referring to is IIFYM (if it fits your macros), which is always suboptimal to cleaner eating

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Hop View Post
    Yes I'm 100% sure that i need TRT. I had a very low natural level.

    Gear is also totally legit. During the 4 weeks of increasing from 200 to 300mg i have seen a relatively large increase in strength and new muscle growth. Nothing spectacular as you can see from the images but without a doubt much more than i had at this time 4 weeks ago.

    I spent well over 2 years eating junk and i never gained much fat from it. Until i increased my testosterone and started this new diet 4 weeks ago.

    I shit you not man my stomach was reasonably flat 4 weeks ago! Now look at it? all in 4 weeks

    My maintenance calories is 2000, calculated on the calculator on the bodybuilding . com website.
    start fesh.
    1. cardio everyday with 1 gallon of water until you can handle 30 minutes of cardio
    2. THEN ... start a push/pull regimen. google will give you many options.
    3. eat nothing but real foods, no shakes. the guys have already given you some great ideas
    4. once you are here, then re-evaluate your health, not a picture of yourself, your health. You're currently in terrible shape man. ...if you still want to inject yourself with steroids. then by all means, you came to the right place for help

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    Don't beat up on yourself too much or get too hurt as the others here do it for you.

    "A calorie is a calorie" is some crap the giant sugar industry has been shoving onto us for 75+ years as they've been avoiding blame for the growing obesity and diabetes epidemics, dating back nearly a century. We've all been subjected to the propaganda and most of us have been believers whether we've known it or not. The most solid evidence today implicates sugar and refined carbs as THE culprits, period. If a calorie were a calorie, then it wouldn't matter if you used bowls of Froot Loops and Capn Crunch to do all your bulking, no? Why bother with chicken, eggs, etc? But a calorie is not a calorie... big differences in hormonal release and partitioning. Huge.

    Check out these excellent books for the science behind it all in layman's terms:
    https://smile.amazon.com/Case-Agains...649/ref=sr_1_1
    https://smile.amazon.com/Why-We-Get-...875216-8406909

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    Did you ever get bloods before you started TRT? I bet at your age you don't even need it. I mean it doesnt appear you have accomplished what you wanted. You got stronger but your stomach got bigger. I would almost stop TRT for 4 months, get bloods and see where your total T is at. In that 4 months, fine tune your diet and burn the extra fat. If your total T is low, then get back on.

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    Since most of your body fat is mid section I would concentrate on Cardio and Ab workouts. Your abs will still grow under fat and when you do lose that mid section flab BINGO there they are. Work lighter weights with more reps and do your cardio after your work out. But everyone has a different plan.
    BTW guys imagine if this guy takes everyone's advice he will look great real soon. A sponsor and good trainer should swoop him up under their wing
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifter6973 View Post
    Did you ever get bloods before you started TRT? I bet at your age you don't even need it. I mean it doesnt appear you have accomplished what you wanted. You got stronger but your stomach got bigger. I would almost stop TRT for 4 months, get bloods and see where your total T is at. In that 4 months, fine tune your diet and burn the extra fat. If your total T is low, then get back on.
    I had to go on TRT at the ripe old age of 23. The VA threw clomid and HCG therapy at me multiple times that never worked and refused to put me on TRT. I eventually started my own TRT and never looked back. I don't regret it one bit. I did go through the gamut though.

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    That sucks that you had to go on TRT at such a young age. Did they say what could have caused such low numbers at that age?
    I probably induced the low natural t I have now by starting way too young. Im sure my test numbers at 21 were perfectly fine and probably near 1k naturally but I started AAS to try and play through a football injury. It didnt work but I didnt go off completely until my 30s then I suffered from low T in my late 30s after I had been off completely for a good 6 to 7 years.
    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    I had to go on TRT at the ripe old age of 23. The VA threw clomid and HCG therapy at me multiple times that never worked and refused to put me on TRT. I eventually started my own TRT and never looked back. I don't regret it one bit. I did go through the gamut though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifter6973 View Post
    That sucks that you had to go on TRT at such a young age. Did they say what could have caused such low numbers at that age?
    I probably induced the low natural t I have now by starting way too young. Im sure my test numbers at 21 were perfectly fine and probably near 1k naturally but I started AAS to try and play through a football injury. It didnt work but I didnt go off completely until my 30s then I suffered from low T in my late 30s after I had been off completely for a good 6 to 7 years.
    Nah they didn't say but I have the feeling it has something to do with the anthrax vaccinations. I was fine until I had those it seems. Then shortly after the fifth round I started having issues. So who knows but thats the only correlation I could find. I think mine weren't great before that but it went downhill bad after I turned 22

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    Quote Originally Posted by malfeasance View Post
    Try this:

    1. 5 eggs, 1/2 cup oats, one slice of Dave's Killer Bread Good Seed, one cup of tea or coffee with no sweetener

    2. 6-8 ounces of meat. Your choice. Raw meat that you cook, not processed meat or deli meat (chicken has cost going for it, fish and beef and turkey and kangaroo and horse and dog are all acceptable choices).
    1/2 cup white rice, or similar amount of potato or sweet potato.
    One cup of broccoli, asparagus, or as much raw spinach leaves as you like.

    3. Repeat.

    4. Repeat.

    5 Repeat. Take out the carb source from this meal if you make no progress on getting leaner the first week.

    Run a tape measure around your waist at the belly button (not down on your hips where you wear your pants, up on the belly button) and record the measurement once a week. Do the same for your upper arms, upper legs, and chest (around the nipple area). Record your scale weight once a week.

    Record everything you eat and drink in MyFitnessPal religiously.

    Get blood test results for your estrogen levels. Keep in mind that you will have less conversion as you get leaner, so the first result is not the be-all-end-all.

    Consider adding in some cardio on a stairmaster or elliptical 3-4 times a week, fasted in the AM if possible.

    Thank you!

    I'm not even going to ask if i should be cutting or bulking as the answer is obvious!

    But what i am wondering, do you think a a recomposition or a cut would be best suited right now? I could cut hard for months but what will i actually be cutting down to? As i have little muscle mass would a recomp yield good results?

    Once i get a clear plan in action I'll jump right in! Because i really hate the way i look right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifter6973 View Post
    Did you ever get bloods before you started TRT? I bet at your age you don't even need it. I mean it doesnt appear you have accomplished what you wanted. You got stronger but your stomach got bigger. I would almost stop TRT for 4 months, get bloods and see where your total T is at. In that 4 months, fine tune your diet and burn the extra fat. If your total T is low, then get back on.
    I had 5 blood tests before i started TRT.

    Doctor tried me on numerous cocktails of drugs including HCG, to try and improve my numbers and nothing worked.

    At 19 years old i developed a high pitched voice, severe anxiety, panic attacks, inability to hold conversations with people. Constant disorientation and just feeling like i was detached and not in reality. I was prescribed diazepam.

    Carried on taking that diazepam until i was 22. Finally had my hormones checked at 22 and it revealed low test and a fucked thyroid. TSH levels 700+

    I took a minute to look at myself at the age of 22. I seen that i was dependent on diazepam, too anxious to go out of the house most days, no friends, no job. I couldn't even have a conversation with a cashier in a grocery store without slurring my words and feeling like i was gonna pass out.

    At that point i said fuck this, bought a vial of testosterone online (Because docs refused TRT) and started on 150mg a week. Things improved in less than 2 weeks. It was like a curtain lifted and i suddenly felt normal again. After a few months i increased to 200mg and on that dose i felt perfect. Voice gone deep, anxiety was gone and i was able to taper off the diazepam with some horrible withdrawals for a few months.

    I came here for advice and i appreciate every bit of it! But one thing i wont consider is coming off my TRT. Sure i could have waited a few more months and maybe my test would have sorted its self after the thyroid was fixed. But for me its not worth going back down that road.

    Will post the bloods up in a few days from the 300mg TRT routine.

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    One other thing guys.

    I'm a little limited on cardio. I have some severe injuries still in healing on my lower leg and foot so high impact running, jogging - cardio is out of the question.

    Would an exercise bike do the trick? I can buy a treadmill but it will be just walking, incline walking. Wish i could run but for now thats my body's limits.

    Btw been training in a home gym that i put together. Bought a squat cage, bench and olympic barbell and weight set of 150kg.

    I did make a post about my TRT history and why im on TRT now. But its waiting moderator approval

    Thanks again everyone!
    Last edited by Mr.Hop; 08-14-2019 at 03:57 AM.

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