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    HCG as "Test Base" on cycle.

    Just curious if anyone has tried this at all or have opinions on it. No Test on cycle, but using HCG instead

    Thanks brothers!

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    Curious too.

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    Yes this is a very commonly method we used when I was administering Meds. We administer Clomid as first option HRT at 25mgs ED. Even a client I have now, who was a patient, was 300n/dL prior to clomid and now he is regularly testing out 1100n/dL, which is not the average increase, however I see hundreds of n/dL improvements on just basic Clomid, which proves why it is so effective for PCT.

    HCG Info

    See figure 7.1 for full details
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4168024/

    We also know there is what is called "intratesticular" testosterone levels in men and that HCG should be used while on HRT. The article states that 300iu EOD is sufficient. I know when I worked with Metabolic Docs and other docs they had no clue what to do, and I would always recommend 250-500iu 2x per week which should present similar ranges tbh.
    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/articl...elHAmddFbZs_2g

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    This sounds like a "I don't like needles" oral only cycle ideas

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    This sounds like a "I don't like needles" oral only cycle ideas
    Running Tren, EQ, and Mast.. plus a lot of peptides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTM View Post
    Running Tren, EQ, and Mast.. plus a lot of peptides.
    Then I really don't understand why you'd want to do that at all

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    makes me tempted to run clomid alone for a few weeks and see what my bloods come in at- Ill probably do that in the near future- I dont think Im too far from bowing out of the game- I cant do it forever
    Quote Originally Posted by WesleyInman View Post
    Yes this is a very commonly method we used when I was administering Meds. We administer Clomid as first option HRT at 25mgs ED. Even a client I have now, who was a patient, was 300n/dL prior to clomid and now he is regularly testing out 1100n/dL, which is not the average increase, however I see hundreds of n/dL improvements on just basic Clomid, which proves why it is so effective for PCT.

    HCG Info

    See figure 7.1 for full details
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4168024/

    We also know there is what is called "intratesticular" testosterone levels in men and that HCG should be used while on HRT. The article states that 300iu EOD is sufficient. I know when I worked with Metabolic Docs and other docs they had no clue what to do, and I would always recommend 250-500iu 2x per week which should present similar ranges tbh.
    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/articl...elHAmddFbZs_2g

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    wait, so you are running all this and replacing test with HCG?- I would think that is not a great idea- anyone else?
    Quote Originally Posted by STTM View Post
    Running Tren, EQ, and Mast.. plus a lot of peptides.

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    If you can get the boys to produce a as much test as a replacement dose of test, just to maintain function, why not? Assuming that's all you're after with that idea.

    Will they? Who knows. Try it and have bloodwork tell you. If you come back at an acceptable test level, feel fine and achieve whatever your goal is, I'd say it worked. If not, add test back in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifter6973 View Post
    makes me tempted to run clomid alone for a few weeks and see what my bloods come in at- Ill probably do that in the near future- I dont think Im too far from bowing out of the game- I cant do it forever
    you should run a farewell log then. One last blast... dial everything in.. smash some milfs .. then now out of the game in style...

    but still come on ASF and talk shit. Cuz imma miss you big guy. Youíre one of the good guys!

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    my doc said HCG raised me almost 100ng on my labs. but that really isnt too much. I was taking 300iu daily per his recommendation

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    Quote Originally Posted by WesleyInman View Post
    Yes this is a very commonly method we used when I was administering Meds. We administer Clomid as first option HRT at 25mgs ED. Even a client I have now, who was a patient, was 300n/dL prior to clomid and now he is regularly testing out 1100n/dL, which is not the average increase, however I see hundreds of n/dL improvements on just basic Clomid, which proves why it is so effective for PCT.

    HCG Info

    See figure 7.1 for full details
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4168024/

    We also know there is what is called "intratesticular" testosterone levels in men and that HCG should be used while on HRT. The article states that 300iu EOD is sufficient. I know when I worked with Metabolic Docs and other docs they had no clue what to do, and I would always recommend 250-500iu 2x per week which should present similar ranges tbh.
    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/articl...elHAmddFbZs_2g
    Doc recently started me on this protocol, but doing 50 mg clomid w/ .25mg arimidex M,W,F.
    Waiting to check labs in a few weeks to see results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heckler7 View Post
    my doc said HCG raised me almost 100ng on my labs. but that really isnt too much. I was taking 300iu daily per his recommendation
    Yeah that's almost nil.

    300iu/day... so 2100 iu/wk HCG total? Huge amount, minor result... gotta think your leydig cells are atrophied bad. I wonder if a year of treatment would revitalize em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemalt View Post
    Yeah that's almost nil.

    300iu/day... so 2100 iu/wk HCG total? Huge amount, minor result... gotta think your leydig cells are atrophied bad. I wonder if a year of treatment would revitalize em.
    Good lord I love seeing you back around here.

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    Iím looking for the article now..... canít seem to find it yet.... I will post it when I find it. But I believe the study showed that 250iu of hcg twice a week maintained test level at around 85% of baseline and 500iu maintained levels of test around 124% or so of baseline. The one thing I canít recall is weather these test subjects were just hypogonadal or they were reviving test injections etc etc..... I am sure someone here has read it as well, itís from the ncbi studies site.

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