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    If those T numbers are real then something is diseased with your Endo system ? Maybe easy solution is stop rec drugs. Maybe creepy like neg feedback loop screwed bad. I would want to know why with more bloods ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    I started at age 20. Its now 25 years later and I still LOVE testosterone.
    But you are genetic freak! (do you have kids?)

    Hell, I started at 34 years old, mainly patches and the like, I am now 57 and loving test and tren!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMA rider View Post
    If those T numbers are real then something is diseased with your Endo system ? Maybe easy solution is stop rec drugs. Maybe creepy like neg feedback loop screwed bad. I would want to know why with more bloods ?
    Don't use any rec drugs and don't drink or smoke

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    But you are genetic freak! (do you have kids?)

    Hell, I started at 34 years old, mainly patches and the like, I am now 57 and loving test and tren!
    I worked VERY hard for my size. I was a tall lanky kid at age 20. I was a state champion swimmer if that tells you my previous body type =)

    Yes, I have a son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slider View Post
    Out of curiosity, what were your T levels at when you were tested? As for advice, I don't speak for everyone, but I think that the best way to figure this out is to do some research on your cycle then post up if you have any questions on it (dosages and such). But to be honest, there is an ABUNDANCE of first cycle info involving Dbol / Cpy or E. If I were in your shoes, I would take my time on figuring out what you want to do and carefully / meticulously plan out a cycle and also a diet.

    - Slider
    Just got my bloods back today here were the stats
    free test: norm low: 8.8 norm high: 27.0 mine was 8.7 pg/ml
    test total: norm low: 280 norm high: 800 mine 455ng/dl

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    My test numbers were slightly lower than yours and my doc wouldn't give me any TRT. I'm 37 though, but still makes me want to find a new doc. Have some good AI on hand before you start unless you want some tits.

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    Teen cycle scenario help

    That's really not all that low my numbers are similar... No dr would put me on trt though and I've got a few years on u

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    True. The docs probably worry about prostate issues and other sides of TRT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith791 View Post
    Just got my bloods back today here were the stats
    free test: norm low: 8.8 norm high: 27.0 mine was 8.7 pg/ml
    test total: norm low: 280 norm high: 800 mine 455ng/dl
    That's awful for your age. I'm 44 and have ~500 ng/dL, along with classic symptoms of low T: low libido, lethargy, low muscle mass, depression, irritability, etc. Sounds like you have the same. There's also invisible damage that we may be suffering, such as harm to the cardiovascular system, risk of diabetes, maybe even risk of Alzheimer's.

    You'll get a lot of hardcore warnings here about starting before the "magic" age of 24 or 25 but you should also consider the risks of doing nothing. I.e. all the risk factors listed above.

    Something to look into is using Clomid and/or Anastrozole/Exemestane therapy to kick your HPTA into high gear and possibly double your test. Might work, might not, but worth a try. This avoids having to pin anything, dealing with shutdown, HCG, fertility concerns, etc. It's not the same as a mega-testosterone cycle with dbol/tren thrown in but it might solve your problems and be covered by health insurance to boot.

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    ya dude those #s are ok

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    Teen cycle scenario help

    Those numbers are not horribly low I'm sorry maybe low normal but not low

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    Gotta disagree with preceding two posts. According to the charts at this link, the OP's total test is in the lower 10th percentile and his free test is about the same as a guy in his 70's:

    http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/...ls-in-men.html

    In case you're wondering, these numbers are taken from a large scale study in the mid-80's from healthy French volunteers in the Paris metro area. If you believe in the standard American trope that the French are mostly girlie-men and these levels can't be trusted, then the "normal" levels we'd expect here in America should be significantly higher and the OP's levels look even worse... maybe lower 5th percentile?

    The upside to that study is that it was done in the 80's when we didn't have nearly the level of estrogenic pollution that we do today. The test levels for the general population have been declining ever since:

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/...onfidence.html

    The takeaway from these studies is that none of us is "natty" anymore. We've all been fucked with thoroughly by the food and chemical industries, particularly those of us under 50 or so who spent our developmental years with depressed test levels. If you grew up on a 100% organic hippie commune with no plastic products, or perhaps an Amish farm, maybe you avoided it but otherwise no. "Natty" is a myth nowadays.

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    A simple AI would boost his T easily into the high range I imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith791 View Post
    Okay so I know that everyone here will flame a teenager asking for advice on running an aas cycle because of all the possible risk factors (closing growth plates, damaging endocrine system, HPTA damage etc)

    Say that a teenager has low t and takes andro gel daily. Under this circumstance do you guys think it would be okay to start messing with aas cycles early? I am 19 and have just been diagnosed with low free t and have considered running a test cyp and dbol cycle on top of the adro gel i am prescribed daily. I am 19 about to be 20 and have been training and eating healthy religiously for more than three years now and have managed to go from 135 lbs to 205 naturally. (not quite sure how with low t)

    older members always seem to tell teens considering aas to look foward to a life of trt/hrt later on in life due to their poor desicion of starting too soon but the main question im asking is if im already going to have to use andro for the rest of my life what would be the harm if any in running a cycle as a teen?
    please share any input or advice!!!!
    135lb to 205lb. naturally? There is no way you have low test with that much muscle growth. I started at 6'0" 155lb. naturally and stopped at 215lb. I got caught up into the "other drugs".
    So your doctor or nurse didn't read your blood test results correctly and this smith791 is a definite misdiagnoses of a non-existing physical problem. STOP TAKING THAT ANDRO-GEL IMMEDIATELY!
    YOU DON"T NEED IT! You have 6-8 sweet-ass natural muscle building years ahead you and what you will put on will last you throughout your life. You will never lose your natural muscle only through disuse. I say at 28 years old, hit the AAS and blow everyone away!

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    Teen cycle scenario help

    Lets agree to disagree choc. IMO opinion he's way to young to start trt. If he wants to cycle and pct whatever but the potential damage he can do is really not worth it. Like I said my numbers are similar ad it's really not an issue I cycle because I'm vein and it helps my chrons

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