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    Synergy of Steroids

    By Bill Roberts


    Already the great knowledge that you can build powerful cycles combining different drugs instead of choosing just one drug, and there are numerous ways to mount a cycle efficiently based on the principle of synergy. In this article I will further explore this idea, so that make a cycle smart and powerful it becomes easier.

    Anabolic steroids can be grouped in different ways according to their distinct characteristics and similarities. We can group them by families, classes (Bill Roberts), activity (progestins, 17aa, SHBG, etc.), purpose (cutting, bulk). Knowing each group makes it easy to understand why certain combinations of steroids are very powerful, while others may make your cycle a failure (though in high doses cycles inefficient work anyway, and this is very common even among elite athletes).

    1) PURPOSE (Bulk, Cutting):
    I prefer not to distinguish this group of steroids since you can adjust the use of certain drugs according to other methods that use during the steroids cycle (aromatase inhibitors, diet). So it is essential to know the profile of each drug before starting a steroids cycle and ride it the most efficient way to your goal. The key here is how much water retention and fat burning will be a concern for you. Knowing this you will know that drugs choose.

    2) FAMILIES OF STEROIDS:
    Anabolic steroids can be divided into 3 distinct families, according to their direct derivation (testosterone, nandrolone or DHT), and this division is very important to know the characteristics that unite and separate the different families of drugs. Knowing this is clear because you increase the risk of side effects often when combining drugs of the same family (test + D-bol, deca + fina) and can also decrease the effectiveness of the steroids cycle, but can also increase it by combining drugs from different families (Test + winstrol + fina). But this only becomes clear when other principles of synergy are also known.

    a) TESTOSTERONE AND THEIR DERIVATIVES:
    Testosterone and its esters: suspension (no ester attached test), testosterone of short half-life (propionate, phenylpropionate), test of long half-life (enanthate, cypionate, decanoate), mix of esters (Sustanon, Omnadren), dianabol, Boldenone, Halotestin, Turinabol.

    b)¬ 19-NOR:
    Nandrolone and esters (phenylpropionate, deca), trenbolone (acetate, enanthate).

    c) DERIVATIVES OF DHT:
    Anadrol, oxandrolone, stanozolol, primobolan, masteron, proviron.

    3) CLASS 1 and 2:
    Whereas testosterone as the steroid base with powerful synergy with all other types and families of steroids next step is how to combine other drugs in the construction of a cycle more efficient than using a random combination. Many guys throw drugs at random in a steroids cycle and will not fail to have good results, but in general it is often unnecessary and a huge waste.
    Steroids can divide into two classes, 1 and 2. We call class 1 steroids which has a strong connection to the androgen receptor (AR), Class 2 and those with weak binding to the AR (independent anabolic effect), and its action is regulated by other receptor types.
    - Class 1: trenbolone, deca, primobolan, Boldenone, Oxandrolone, Masteron, Turinabol.
    - Class 2: Dianabol, Anadrol, stanozolol, Halotestin

    4) ACTIVITY;
    Steroids have different mechanisms of action in the body and combining drugs with similar activities you can increase or decrease the positive and negative effects (side effects) of the cycle.

    a1) Aromatization:
    The process of conversion of testosterone to estrogen, which can cause various side effects such as retention, gynecomastia, high blood pressure, etc.. Aromatizing drugs: testosterone, deca, dianabol, boldenone.

    a2) Anti-estrogenic:
    These drugs have anti-estrogenic activity, avoiding side effects related to increased estrogen by aromatization of other drugs: masteron, primobolan, proviron, stanozolol (?).

    b1) Progestins:
    These drugs cause effects on its progestenic activity and may elevate prolactin levels and cause side effects such as gynecomastia, severe inhibition of the HPTA. Examples: Anadrol (a progestin is not considered directly, but seems to have some kind of progestenic activity), deca, trenbolone.

    b2) Anti-progestenics:
    These drugs have anti-progestenic activity, avoiding or reducing side effects related to progestenic activity of progestins. Example: stanozolol.

    c) 17aa steroids:
    Nearly all steroids cause liver damage, whereas the 17aa are more toxic to the difficulty of processing (for surviving first pass through the liver). That way we all know that is not interesting combine hepatotoxic drugs or use them for a long period. The most hepatotoxic steroids are anadrol, dianabol, methyltestosterone, Halotestin, stanozolol, while oxandrolone and Turinabol are considered 17aa of low hepatotixicty.

    d) Reduction of SHBG:
    An important mechanism of action of some anabolic steroids often ignored by most users, is in its ability to reduce levels of SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin). Testosterone unbound (free) has biological activity while bound to SHBG is inactive. The SHBG acts as a modulator of secretion androgenic in tissues. Thus, lower levels of SHBG increases the availability of androgen action, since they fail to bind thereto. So if you do only one testosterone cycle and SHBG levels are high you lose effectiveness of steroids cycle, since part of the testosterone will bind to SHBG. You can increase the efficiency of the cycle added a drug that reduces SHBG, and other additional effects of the drug logically. Examples of steroids that significantly reduce SHBG: stanozolol, Turinabol, proviron, anadrol.

    Now you have the key ingredients to building a powerful cycle.


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    Do you believe that combining one Test, one 19-nor, and one DHT derived steroid would be the best overall cycle, if one is taking into account the compounds used towards one's overall goal?
    Like Test, Deca, Anadrol for a bulk?

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    Nice article. Iím about to start my next cycle which includes boldenone and tren at 100mg/week(first time). Is it fine to mix two of those ? Thanks !

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    Quote Originally Posted by CompoundLifts31 View Post
    Do you believe that combining one Test, one 19-nor, and one DHT derived steroid would be the best overall cycle, if one is taking into account the compounds used towards one's overall goal?
    Like Test, Deca, Anadrol for a bulk?

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    I see what youíre saying and not exactly. All synergistic combos arenít the same for everyone.The most synergistic stack would combine androgenic and anablic compounds that seek different receptor sites, with a 17aa oral. Time proven stack: Test, deca , dbol or winny. All three work in different but complimentary ways in the body to cause muscle growth. Make it a 5 way with igf and hGH and join the big boys.Of course there are many other combinations. (Tren, eq, var ), (test, anadrol , winstrol).



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    Quote Originally Posted by OnTopYaGirl85 View Post
    I see what youíre saying and not exactly. All synergistic combos arenít the same for everyone.The most synergistic stack would combine androgenic and anablic compounds that seek different receptor sites, with a 17aa oral. Time proven stack: Test, deca , dbol or winny. All three work in different but complimentary ways in the body to cause muscle growth. Make it a 5 way with igf and hGH and join the big boys.Of course there are many other combinations. (Tren, eq, var ), (test, anadrol , winstrol).



    Do you know where I can really dig into this info? I'd like to really get a better grasp of what you mean about targeting different androgen receptors with different compounds. I'll do my own research of course, but any great articles you can think of off the top of your head?

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    Yeah just Google synergy of steroids by Bill Roberts I just started looking into this myself after reading a article. Youíll probably see the article I posted From t nation. I seen some stuff on professional muscle about it to Iíll try to find for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddoger View Post
    Nice article. Iím about to start my next cycle which includes boldenone and tren at 100mg/week(first time). Is it fine to mix two of those ? Thanks !
    Absolutely fine to mix, but you won't see anything out of 100mg EQ weekly. Maybe 600, but most say it starts to shine between 800-1000mg weekly lol. You're better off with NPP imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    Absolutely fine to mix, but you won't see anything out of 100mg EQ weekly. Maybe 600, but most say it starts to shine between 800-1000mg weekly lol. You're better off with NPP imo
    I like EQ and NPP together. EQ does turn my blood into syrup so I visit local blood donation services every 5 to 6 weeks on cycle. I would also front load it At least 1500 mg the first two weeks. The hell with waiting 6 to 8 weeks for it to kick in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    Absolutely fine to mix, but you won't see anything out of 100mg EQ weekly. Maybe 600, but most say it starts to shine between 800-1000mg weekly lol. You're better off with NPP imo
    Sorry for cunfusing. Itís going to be 150-200mg Sust, 300mg eq, 50mg tren H E3D. After 4-6 weeks I will add some masteron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddoger View Post
    Sorry for cunfusing. Itís going to be 150-200mg Sust, 300mg eq, 50mg tren H E3D. After 4-6 weeks I will add some masteron.
    So about 600ish weekly. I want to try the hex sometime

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    Quote Originally Posted by CompoundLifts31 View Post
    Do you know where I can really dig into this info? I'd like to really get a better grasp of what you mean about targeting different androgen receptors with different compounds. I'll do my own research of course, but any great articles you can think of off the top of your head?

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    https://forums.t-nation.com/t/steroi...rgism/208712/3

    https://www.musclechemistry.com/uplo...cle-stack.html

    I canít find that article anywhere fuck! I even searched my browser history. I may have thought it was professional muscle and it could have been somewhere else.

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    Bump this thread for important cycle question...

    is there any negative consequences for the following cycle?
    test cyp @500mg weekly
    proviron @50mg daily
    turinabol @60mg daily

    any helpful input and/or personal experience would be appreciated.

    Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milford King View Post
    Bump this thread for important cycle question...

    is there any negative consequences for the following cycle?
    test cyp @500mg weekly
    proviron @50mg daily
    turinabol @60mg daily

    any helpful input and/or personal experience would be appreciated.

    Thank you.
    ❤️ milf
    Thatís actually a well built cycle with the doses right where they need to be. I wouldnít hesitate to run that cycle brother.

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    I agree, solid choices milf, those compounds work well together on paper. Keep in mind, mileage may vary per individual for various reasons. Previously, I never got too much from T-bol, maybe mine is too old and lost some kick, IDK...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HFO3 View Post
    I agree, solid choices milf, those compounds work well together on paper. Keep in mind, mileage may vary per individual for various reasons. Previously, I never got too much from T-bol, maybe mine is too old and lost some kick, IDK...
    Tbol isnít my first choice but it will work well for some. Itís slowwww to start working and donít expect to see much until around day 16-18 Thatís why most run it for 6 weeks.

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