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Blood works, help with results interpretation, advices for pct and so on

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Yes, your value not on best level, that why I recommend you metformin. Something like 500mg ED for 1 week and after that add one more 500mg, after 2-3 week check glucose level again!
 
Yes, your value not on best level, that why I recommend you metformin. Something like 500mg ED for 1 week and after that add one more 500mg, after 2-3 week check glucose level again!

Ok, I will add.

When to take it? first thing in morning? or evening? with food or no food?
OR does it not matter?
 
got a new blood work after a month of the old
one. Included iron deficiency test and others. Looks like I have some iron deficiency ? LDL is alarming, but ALT and estadiol improved a lot. Any thoughts ? Thanks !
https://ibb.co/c8vmgy
https://ibb.co/eZkmgy
https://ibb.co/dJ8iTd
https://ibb.co/k0DiTd
https://ibb.co/bP0V8d
https://ibb.co/hwZCMy
It's been 3.5 weeks since I'm off TBol and on 200mg of test E only. Did another blood work, got some first results:
https://ibb.co/fu73tK
https://ibb.co/hxo9YK
https://ibb.co/i04SLz
https://ibb.co/jvrUYK
https://ibb.co/jfCsne
https://ibb.co/gN5pYK
https://ibb.co/k7c3tK

What worries me:
1. AST and ALT increased, even though I'm taking TUDCA, TMG, Iron Labs Cycle support for 1-2 months
2. Iron tests have some improvements, because I was taking iron every day, but there are still some issues.
3. HDL and LDL. I was taking a lot of high quality fish oil, citrus bergamot, pumkin seed oil, baby aspirin, vit D but only HDL slightly improved.
4. Progesterone is above normal
5. Something is little bit off in CBC, but it was the same last couple times...

I expected everything to improve a lot of after removing TBol and lowering Test. Also, I know that arimidex contributes a lot to LDL and affects liver, will be switching to Aromasin in a week or two. Any thoughts ? Thanks a lot !
 
It's been 3.5 weeks since I'm off TBol and on 200mg of test E only. Did another blood work, got some first results:
https://ibb.co/fu73tK
https://ibb.co/hxo9YK
https://ibb.co/i04SLz
https://ibb.co/jvrUYK
https://ibb.co/jfCsne
https://ibb.co/gN5pYK
https://ibb.co/k7c3tK

What worries me:
1. AST and ALT increased, even though I'm taking TUDCA, TMG, Iron Labs Cycle support for 1-2 months
2. Iron tests have some improvements, because I was taking iron every day, but there are still some issues.
3. HDL and LDL. I was taking a lot of high quality fish oil, citrus bergamot, pumkin seed oil, baby aspirin, vit D but only HDL slightly improved.
4. Progesterone is above normal
5. Something is little bit off in CBC, but it was the same last couple times...

I expected everything to improve a lot of after removing TBol and lowering Test. Also, I know that arimidex contributes a lot to LDL and affects liver, will be switching to Aromasin in a week or two. Any thoughts ? Thanks a lot !

1. Liver value (ALT) not good.
Now foods NAC 3x ED
TUDCA 1000mg ED (split am / pm)
TMG/SAMe 2x ED
Liv52 2 to 3x ED.
And do NOT take any NSAIDs/acetaminophen etc -- no alcohol.
Think if there is anything else you may be consuming that is taxing the liver.

2. Ferritin is the key value to check to make sure there is no iron deficiency (or too much iron) -- it is the protein that stores iron for reserve.

3. See my previous advice for lipid protocol -- there are a few more things I listed. Also, you can increase dosage of Citrus Bergamot (if taking once and day, now take twice for instance).
Niacin treatment will help raise HDL (but wait until liver value is corrected as Niacin may tax the liver slightly).
IMPORTANT: keep in mind that your LDL is NOT high -- your bloodwork shows an estimated LDL and as I explained previously that estimate is NOT accurate in your personal case because of your low triglycerides.
Your actual LDL is about 104 mg/dL
ilqxtQj.jpg

References:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/1779534
and
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3634287/

4. I do not know here -- we wait to see what Pharmacom Helper thinks.
MAybe overtraining?

5. hard to say for sure -- ferrtin data may be helpful. Also, maybe time to cruise at low dosage TRT to allow body to recover.
 
1. Liver value (ALT) not good.
Now foods NAC 3x ED
TUDCA 1000mg ED (split am / pm)
TMG/SAMe 2x ED
Liv52 2 to 3x ED.
And do NOT take any NSAIDs/acetaminophen etc -- no alcohol.
Think if there is anything else you may be consuming that is taxing the liver.

2. Ferritin is the key value to check to make sure there is no iron deficiency (or too much iron) -- it is the protein that stores iron for reserve.

3. See my previous advice for lipid protocol -- there are a few more things I listed. Also, you can increase dosage of Citrus Bergamot (if taking once and day, now take twice for instance).
Niacin treatment will help raise HDL (but wait until liver value is corrected as Niacin may tax the liver slightly).
IMPORTANT: keep in mind that your LDL is NOT high -- your bloodwork shows an estimated LDL and as I explained previously that estimate is NOT accurate in your personal case because of your low triglycerides.
Your actual LDL is about 104 mg/dL
ilqxtQj.jpg

References:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/1779534
and
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3634287/

4. I do not know here -- we wait to see what Pharmacom Helper thinks.
MAybe overtraining?

5. hard to say for sure -- ferrtin data may be helpful. Also, maybe time to cruise at low dosage TRT to allow body to recover.
1. I’m taking 750mg TUDCA already, will increase. TMG x 3 a day. Also, 800 NAC coming from cycle support. No alchohol, or painkillers at all nothing harmful for liver that I can remember.
3. I forgot to mention that I’m already taking niacin, but only 500mg, 1000mg gives me a bad rush, like strong alergy reaction. Yeah, I remember, seems like it’s fine. I just have to raise HDL more
4. Was training a lot, now a bit less. But it feels like I’m stressed, so this may effect things

thanks for the response! Will keep working on everything
 
RThoads said everything is true, even I can't say better;)

Glucose level, might be lower....I recommend you add metformin, same dose as RThoads start.

Transaminases specially - ALT higher cos of you used orals
As RThoads said - add tudca 1000mg and SAMe 800mg for 15-25 days
Don't worry, your liver will recover very fast.

About your lipid panel I recommend rosart 10mg ED+ q10 200mg ED+500mg niacine. You can also try Rthoads protocol, I haven't exp with this one, but Rthoads said that this protocol also working well.
If you will choose my protocol, start it from day 10 of liver treatment.

About your progesterone level - don't worry, just take some rest from training for 5-7 days and eat some goodies ;)

I also agree with Rthoads about low TRT dose (we call it "bridge" and let you body get some rest, something like this - Testo C 100mg E4D, but I recommend to my athletes testo C 100mg and primo 50mg E4D.
You can dispense without primo.
 
RThoads said everything is true, even I can't say better;)

Glucose level, might be lower....I recommend you add metformin, same dose as RThoads start.

Transaminases specially - ALT higher cos of you used orals
As RThoads said - add tudca 1000mg and SAMe 800mg for 15-25 days
Don't worry, your liver will recover very fast.

About your lipid panel I recommend rosart 10mg ED+ q10 200mg ED+500mg niacine. You can also try Rthoads protocol, I haven't exp with this one, but Rthoads said that this protocol also working well.
If you will choose my protocol, start it from day 10 of liver treatment.

About your progesterone level - don't worry, just take some rest from training for 5-7 days and eat some goodies ;)

I also agree with Rthoads about low TRT dose (we call it "bridge" and let you body get some rest, something like this - Testo C 100mg E4D, but I recommend to my athletes testo C 100mg and primo 50mg E4D.
You can dispense without primo.

thanks! I’m pretty much on that bridge dose. Will work on everything and retest in a couple of weeks
regarding niacin, I’m itching like hell even from 1000mg. Probably I’ll split dose into two.
glucose is 89, seems to be fine, no?
btw, RThoads approach works indeed. LDL And HDL improved for the last month. Will keep working on it.
 
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It's been 3.5 weeks since I'm off TBol and on 200mg of test E only. Did another blood work, got some first results:
https://ibb.co/fu73tK
https://ibb.co/hxo9YK
https://ibb.co/i04SLz
https://ibb.co/jvrUYK
https://ibb.co/jfCsne
https://ibb.co/gN5pYK
https://ibb.co/k7c3tK

What worries me:
1. AST and ALT increased, even though I'm taking TUDCA, TMG, Iron Labs Cycle support for 1-2 months
2. Iron tests have some improvements, because I was taking iron every day, but there are still some issues.
3. HDL and LDL. I was taking a lot of high quality fish oil, citrus bergamot, pumkin seed oil, baby aspirin, vit D but only HDL slightly improved.
4. Progesterone is above normal
5. Something is little bit off in CBC, but it was the same last couple times...

I expected everything to improve a lot of after removing TBol and lowering Test. Also, I know that arimidex contributes a lot to LDL and affects liver, will be switching to Aromasin in a week or two. Any thoughts ? Thanks a lot !

Got fresh blood results. It's after two weeks in on 300mg of Boldenone E3D and 250mg Sust E3D. Also, I stopped taking AI(0.25mg EOD) a week before the blood test.

Liver and lipid profiles are much much better ! I added tren and I guess I don't need AI on this cycle at all ? Any thoughts on the numbers ? Thanks a lot !


https://ibb.co/b6pSVU
https://ibb.co/kThQH9
https://ibb.co/nj17VU
https://ibb.co/hbOnVU
 
Get Shredded!
Got fresh blood results. It's after two weeks in on 300mg of Boldenone E3D and 250mg Sust E3D. Also, I stopped taking AI(0.25mg EOD) a week before the blood test.

Liver and lipid profiles are much much better ! I added tren and I guess I don't need AI on this cycle at all ? Any thoughts on the numbers ? Thanks a lot !


https://ibb.co/b6pSVU
https://ibb.co/kThQH9
https://ibb.co/nj17VU
https://ibb.co/hbOnVU

Looks much improved -- nice :)
Consider to donate blood for the rising RBC and Hematocrit so address those values before they get too high.
IS up to you, but if you would like slightly more estrogen (estrogen is important) then maybe increase test a little bit or even just add some DHEA (otc supplement).
Overall, looking much better
 
Looks much improved -- nice :)
Consider to donate blood for the rising RBC and Hematocrit so address those values before they get too high.
IS up to you, but if you would like slightly more estrogen (estrogen is important) then maybe increase test a little bit or even just add some DHEA (otc supplement).
Overall, looking much better
I’d like more estro, but I was taking AI for the first week and stopped for the whole second wek before the test. Do you think E2 number will sloghtly fo up, or after a week arimidex won’t have any effect?
btw, what’s to high numbers for RBC and Hematocrit?
thanks a lot !
 
Pharmacom Helper,

This is my current cycle, 3 weeks in. So far 200mg/wk tren e, 250mg/wk test e, in week 2 I added 100mg/wk tren hex in between to be mid-week pin. So 3 pins of the enanthates and 2 pins of the hex, everything has been great with only nipples a little tender, but I do realize it’s only the beginning of the cycle. Now this past Thursday, so about 3 1/2 days before this post I took 10mg of nolvadex (balkan pharma) and the next day (Friday) I noticed a small welt under my skin on left shoulder and day or so later another welt on my right ass cheek, and they itch. I had not injected into either of those areas in that week and it’s not at any previous injection sites either. I’m using SP Labs tren e, Euro Prime test e, and Pharmacom tren hex, and like I stated, I had not seen anything like this until the nolvadex 10mg and have not taken any more but it’s not going away yet.

I guess my main question is; with the 3 things I’m pinning would I have seen these welts prior to 3/4 days ago? I would think even with only 2 pins of tren hex I would have had this before now, I have read where nolvadex has this side effect sometimes, but have also read that tren has caused this as well. I’ve never had this issue before with nolvadex or tren e, but I’ve never used tren hex so I’m very unsure of the cause so hopefully you can give me some guidance. I also have a different brand of nolvadex as well so I may try that during PCT, but nothing else during cycle. Just this 10mg had me feeling like I had no energy and just all around feeling shitty and the ”tren erection”has all but left me as well. How long should that 10mg stay in my system so I can move to something else if they issue dosen’t go away? Apologies for such long write up and thanks for any input 👍
 
I noticed earlier in this thread that Clomid, (Clomiphene citrate) was recommended to be taken for several weeks during PCT, but I think it should also be pointed out that Clomid often has side effects that can be serious, such as changes in vision, and I personally experienced more hair loss from Clomid when I used it for more than 5 days straight, than I ever did from any anabolic steroids.
 
You know I’ve been reading that as well, but I’ve never had issue with clomid or nolvadex until this point. Although I can’t be certain it was nolva, back when I was using gear last I had pharma grade clomid and nolva maybe that made a difference.. so far I’ve had tren e & test e in both delts, tren hex in ass cheeks, this makes it very hard to determine the cause. And neither welt formed at pin sight. And I have a constant itch, starting to itch on my other shoulder too, but no welt.
 
I noticed earlier in this thread that Clomid, (Clomiphene citrate) was recommended to be taken for several weeks during PCT, but I think it should also be pointed out that Clomid often has side effects that can be serious, such as changes in vision, and I personally experienced more hair loss from Clomid when I used it for more than 5 days straight, than I ever did from any anabolic steroids.

I have had problems with my eyesight related to the use of clomid, but you have to go up a lot with the doses for several days.

but it was also fun, it was like being under acid without the mental side effects
 
I have had problems with my eyesight related to the use of clomid, but you have to go up a lot with the doses for several days.

but it was also fun, it was like being under acid without the mental side effects

Same thing here lol, 100mg a day tapered down to 50mg at week 3...... like a low dose acid.... trails everywhere lol.
 
I’d like more estro, but I was taking AI for the first week and stopped for the whole second wek before the test. Do you think E2 number will sloghtly fo up, or after a week arimidex won’t have any effect?
btw, what’s to high numbers for RBC and Hematocrit?
thanks a lot !

Yes, E2 should continue to rise now that you stopped AI.

RBC and Hematocric are already high on your results.
I think anything near or slightly above the upper and on the reference range is too high and is time to address the issue before it get worse.
I like to see RBC stay below 6.0 and Hct stay below 50%.
 
I would settle for a few streamers from clomid rather than the welts I got from 10mg of nolva 🤯

update for for anyone who may be following my issue or suffer from the same. I went ahead and pinned my 200mg tren e & 250 test e Monday as scheduled. As of little over 24hrs later I have not seen anything else pop up or itch, the welt on my left shoulder seems to be going away and not itch, right ass cheek seems to be going down but still itching a little. The hopeful news is that 24 hrs after my previous tren pin is when I got the welts, but I also took the 10mg of Balkan pharma nolvadex and it’s looking more like the nolva caused the issue not the tren e or hex I’ve been pinning. I will be adding SUSTAGED 250 to the mid week tren hex pin this week and fingers crossed the welts will stay away.

For anyone who maybe newer to aas and pct products, I have never had issues with nolva before so don’t shy away from it and I’m not blaming Balkan pharma it’s most likely my body having an issue with some inert ingredient in the tab. And it could still be tren rash, but it’s looking more like the nolva caused it.

I also used claritin reditabs and 1% hydrocortisone crime that seemed to have helped, just an FYI.
 
Sorry man, fell out from reality

everything has been great with only nipples a little tender - ---do you have some AI during your cycle?

but I do realize it’s only the beginning of the cycle. Now this past Thursday, so about 3 1/2 days before this post I took 10mg of nolvadex (balkan pharma) ---- I recommend you to switch nolva to farestos.


and the next day (Friday) I noticed a small welt under my skin on left shoulder and day or so later another welt on my right ass cheek - it may be not tie with injections, just some alergic reaction cos of nolva using (it can be)

How long should that 10mg stay in my system so I can move to something else if they issue dosen’t go away? Apologies for such long write up and thanks for any input ---- 5 -10 days

Pharmacom Helper,

This is my current cycle, 3 weeks in. So far 200mg/wk tren e, 250mg/wk test e, in week 2 I added 100mg/wk tren hex in between to be mid-week pin. So 3 pins of the enanthates and 2 pins of the hex, everything has been great with only nipples a little tender, but I do realize it’s only the beginning of the cycle. Now this past Thursday, so about 3 1/2 days before this post I took 10mg of nolvadex (balkan pharma) and the next day (Friday) I noticed a small welt under my skin on left shoulder and day or so later another welt on my right ass cheek, and they itch. I had not injected into either of those areas in that week and it’s not at any previous injection sites either. I’m using SP Labs tren e, Euro Prime test e, and Pharmacom tren hex, and like I stated, I had not seen anything like this until the nolvadex 10mg and have not taken any more but it’s not going away yet.

I guess my main question is; with the 3 things I’m pinning would I have seen these welts prior to 3/4 days ago? I would think even with only 2 pins of tren hex I would have had this before now, I have read where nolvadex has this side effect sometimes, but have also read that tren has caused this as well. I’ve never had this issue before with nolvadex or tren e, but I’ve never used tren hex so I’m very unsure of the cause so hopefully you can give me some guidance. I also have a different brand of nolvadex as well so I may try that during PCT, but nothing else during cycle. Just this 10mg had me feeling like I had no energy and just all around feeling shitty and the ”tren erection”has all but left me as well. How long should that 10mg stay in my system so I can move to something else if they issue dosen’t go away? Apologies for such long write up and thanks for any input 
 
Hello Sir, I'm sure that you know - all medical drugs have side effects, but directly clomid - very safety drug with very big medical using data base. Vision problem during clomid using very rare, I don't remember this side effect in my practis, so you are first one :) and also hair loss (alopecia) very strange.
But if you have all this - I recommend you switch clomid to farestos for your PCT protocols
I noticed earlier in this thread that Clomid, (Clomiphene citrate) was recommended to be taken for several weeks during PCT, but I think it should also be pointed out that Clomid often has side effects that can be serious, such as changes in vision, and I personally experienced more hair loss from Clomid when I used it for more than 5 days straight, than I ever did from any anabolic steroids.
 
Hello Sir, I'm sure that you know - all medical drugs have side effects, but directly clomid - very safety drug with very big medical using data base. Vision problem during clomid using very rare, I don't remember this side effect in my practis, so you are first one :) and also hair loss (alopecia) very strange.
But if you have all this - I recommend you switch clomid to farestos for your PCT protocols
Well there were two other board members who replied in this thread who also stated that they have experienced visual changes during the use of Comid, so perhaps it's not as "rare" as you claim it is. Furthermore, my Urologist tells me that HCG is safer with less chance of side effects than Clomid is. As far as Farestos is concerned, it states on your website that it causes a rise in SHBG, so that's a negative quality about that drug that is undesirable.
 
Thanks for the reply Pharmacom Helper,

I think you are correct, it doesn’t seem to be injection related. And each day it seems to be little less of an issue, although it could be a reaction (allergic) to one of the oils now that my body is fully loaded with the gear. Either way it has lessened since I asked you, Monday I pinned my weekly 200mg tren e & 250mg test e as scheduled with no additional welts anywhere and no increases in itching as of today. Thanks again
 
I was on 240mg sust+300mg bold+100mg Treb H. Did E2 blood check before I strted tren and my E2 was on the very low end. I decided to do 300mg sust+240mg bold + 100mg tren H and feel much better now. Better sex drive and mood. In the end of the cycle I’m thinking to add Masteron, like 6 weeks before the end. Afaik it has AI effect as well as boldenon. How can I avoid E2 crash ? Thanks !
 
I was on 240mg sust+300mg bold+100mg Treb H. Did E2 blood check before I strted tren and my E2 was on the very low end. I decided to do 300mg sust+240mg bold + 100mg tren H and feel much better now. Better sex drive and mood. In the end of the cycle I’m thinking to add Masteron, like 6 weeks before the end. Afaik it has AI effect as well as boldenon. How can I avoid E2 crash ? Thanks !
Any thoughts ? Also, what's the best way of using primobolan depot as an AI agent ? Is there a rule of thumb, like 1:1 ratio of Primo + Test will keep E2 in a good range ? Thanks !
 
I was on 240mg sust+300mg bold+100mg Treb H. Did E2 blood check before I strted tren and my E2 was on the very low end. I decided to do 300mg sust+240mg bold + 100mg tren H and feel much better now. Better sex drive and mood. In the end of the cycle I’m thinking to add Masteron, like 6 weeks before the end. Afaik it has AI effect as well as boldenon. How can I avoid E2 crash ? Thanks !

I do not know any answer regarding how you can avoid crashing your E2 -- you simply must not take too much AI ; and/or also provide enough aromatizing compounds to yield proper E2 levels.
How much is too much? that is different for everyone. Hence, why people refer to it as "dialing in" there AI etc.
Even the same person may be different at different times (body composition and many factors may influence aromatization).
There is no universal standard that is the same for everyone.
All you can do is make adjustments based upon data (blood work) and symptoms.
 
I do not know any answer regarding how you can avoid crashing your E2 -- you simply must not take too much AI ; and/or also provide enough aromatizing compounds to yield proper E2 levels.
How much is too much? that is different for everyone. Hence, why people refer to it as "dialing in" there AI etc.
Even the same person may be different at different times (body composition and many factors may influence aromatization).
There is no universal standard that is the same for everyone.
All you can do is make adjustments based upon data (blood work) and symptoms.
Yeah, that makes sense. I was wondering if there is a common rule to start with. For example 300 test + 200 primo will more likely keep you close to the mid range of E2. Basically, what should I start with ? Obviously in two weeks I will do do blood work and dial it as necessary. Same way, like I did with Sust + Boldenone. Thanks !
 
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