Hi
This is my first post so apologies if it is in the incorrect section or there is some required information that I leave out.
Basically my problem is that after I completed a 12 week cycle of test e and tren e, I have been losing muscle rapidly, my energy and motivation are low, and I find myself constantly tired. I suspect that it may be low natural testosterone at this point. My diet, PCT, training, water intake, sleep are all good. More details on all of these follow.
Firstly my Stats
1.82m, just turned 25. I have been training consistently for around 7 years now.
Before Cycle: 90kg, roughly 14% bf
During Cycle: 88kg, roughly 8% bf
Currently, 7 weeks post cycle, 88kg, roughly 14% bf
These may not seem like big differences but visibly the difference in size is significant. Clothes that I bought when I was 20 (around similar bf% and before any cycles) to fit comfortably now hang loose on me. It isn't just in my head as those around me and colleagues have made comments about this as well.
My Cycle
Weeks 1 - 12: Test E 500mg
Weeks 3 - 12: Tren E 300mg
Weeks 1 - 12: Proviron 25mg eod
I started the cycle not taking any arimidex but after some sensitivity in my nipples and slight puffiness after the first couple weeks I started with arimidex 0.5mg eod, later going to 1mg eod to fully reduce the puffiness.
PCT (counting weeks immediately after cycle ends)
Week 1 - 2: Proviron 50mg ed
Week 3: Proviron 25mg ed
Week 4: Clomid 100mg ed
Week 5 - 8 (+ 2 days): Nolvadex 20mg ed
Week 5 onwards: 500 iu HCG eod for a total of 5000 iu
I currently have a week of PCT left.
I originally stopped the arimidex as I started the clomid but after the sensitivity returned after a few days I continued on 1mg eod.
The cycle itself was great, I was losing fat and putting on muscle with veins popping out in every direction. I had no side effects during the cycle.
Previous Cycles
Previous cycles have all been test e only or test e and deca. All 12 weeks and on average I take off around 6 months after PCT before the next cycle. This is my first cycle with Tren. My first cycle was a bit young, I was 21, but it was a very, very small dose and so was the next one. I took almost a year off after each of those cycles.
Back to my problem, I am not sure when it started exactly, either just before the end of my cycle or just after but as soon as 3 weeks after the end of my cycle I was getting comments about how I look much smaller. Since then it has only gotten worse with my clothes getting even looser and my mood, motivation and tiredness getting worse. My weight has stayed quite constant throughout but fat % has also been going up. As I said, the numbers don't look to bad but visibly it is quite shocking. My eyes have also been a bit dry recently and my contact lenses feel uncomfortable, although I am not sure if this is related.
My diet is quite clean and I get around 3300 calories with enough in each food group. I also make sure to take multivitamins, fish oils etc. During the cycle I was on around 2300 calories. Before my cycle I estimate my maintenance at around 3000 calories. In terms of water I get an average of 5 litres a day.
My training is also not a problem, although I loose some motivation after the first few lifts, I still try to push as much as I can and move decent weight. I train 5 times a week. My strength has only gone down slightly since the end of the cycle but is consistent with what it was before the cycle. I also get at least 7 hours of sleep every day and I have a desk job which is not overly stressful. There is also no other factors in my life which would be causing me stress at this point in time.
I am sure that the gear and PCT are not poor quality as I get pharmaceutical grade where I can, I can feel them working and my brother also takes the same stuff and has none of these problems.
I have had a similar problem before, after a previous cycle I did loose muscle mass rapidly and I can't remember how long it took to recover then. After other cycles the effects were not bad but I didn't actually keep my gains. My diet and training and always been quite good.
I believe my symptoms are consistent with low natural test. I have just started on some USN Testo Tribulus and have stinging nettle root tea now in the hopes they will help with my natural test. I have not have any bloods done as I am not sure which blood tests should be done exactly. I will see my GP after I finish my PCT if nothing has improved. I am obviously keen to avoid any suggestion of TRT at this age so I would like to try everything possible before that. The only PCT that I will be able to get my hands on quite quickly now is HCG. As mentioned above, I did use it during my PCT but I also have seen things get a bit worse as well during that time. I am able to get private blood tests done quite quickly but it is a bit costly so I also want to avoid the number of tests that I do
So my questions are:
What is causing this exactly?
What should I have done differently with the cycle to prevent this?
Is this normal, I have searched forums for days and couldn't find anyone with a similar issue.
What can I do now to cure this?
Will things just sort itself out after time and how long should I expect this to take?
What blood tests should I do, and what is the next step once I get the results?
In addition, I appreciate any other comments or suggestions about anything else that I have said here.
At this point I think I am done with the gear, my body clearly doesn't react very well to it. Even during the cycles my gains are not so significant that it is worth risking this, however I am still interested in what should have been done differently. My main concern now is just sorting this issue out.
Apologies for the long post, and thanks in advance for the help.
This is my first post so apologies if it is in the incorrect section or there is some required information that I leave out.
Basically my problem is that after I completed a 12 week cycle of test e and tren e, I have been losing muscle rapidly, my energy and motivation are low, and I find myself constantly tired. I suspect that it may be low natural testosterone at this point. My diet, PCT, training, water intake, sleep are all good. More details on all of these follow.
Firstly my Stats
1.82m, just turned 25. I have been training consistently for around 7 years now.
Before Cycle: 90kg, roughly 14% bf
During Cycle: 88kg, roughly 8% bf
Currently, 7 weeks post cycle, 88kg, roughly 14% bf
These may not seem like big differences but visibly the difference in size is significant. Clothes that I bought when I was 20 (around similar bf% and before any cycles) to fit comfortably now hang loose on me. It isn't just in my head as those around me and colleagues have made comments about this as well.
My Cycle
Weeks 1 - 12: Test E 500mg
Weeks 3 - 12: Tren E 300mg
Weeks 1 - 12: Proviron 25mg eod
I started the cycle not taking any arimidex but after some sensitivity in my nipples and slight puffiness after the first couple weeks I started with arimidex 0.5mg eod, later going to 1mg eod to fully reduce the puffiness.
PCT (counting weeks immediately after cycle ends)
Week 1 - 2: Proviron 50mg ed
Week 3: Proviron 25mg ed
Week 4: Clomid 100mg ed
Week 5 - 8 (+ 2 days): Nolvadex 20mg ed
Week 5 onwards: 500 iu HCG eod for a total of 5000 iu
I currently have a week of PCT left.
I originally stopped the arimidex as I started the clomid but after the sensitivity returned after a few days I continued on 1mg eod.
The cycle itself was great, I was losing fat and putting on muscle with veins popping out in every direction. I had no side effects during the cycle.
Previous Cycles
Previous cycles have all been test e only or test e and deca. All 12 weeks and on average I take off around 6 months after PCT before the next cycle. This is my first cycle with Tren. My first cycle was a bit young, I was 21, but it was a very, very small dose and so was the next one. I took almost a year off after each of those cycles.
Back to my problem, I am not sure when it started exactly, either just before the end of my cycle or just after but as soon as 3 weeks after the end of my cycle I was getting comments about how I look much smaller. Since then it has only gotten worse with my clothes getting even looser and my mood, motivation and tiredness getting worse. My weight has stayed quite constant throughout but fat % has also been going up. As I said, the numbers don't look to bad but visibly it is quite shocking. My eyes have also been a bit dry recently and my contact lenses feel uncomfortable, although I am not sure if this is related.
My diet is quite clean and I get around 3300 calories with enough in each food group. I also make sure to take multivitamins, fish oils etc. During the cycle I was on around 2300 calories. Before my cycle I estimate my maintenance at around 3000 calories. In terms of water I get an average of 5 litres a day.
My training is also not a problem, although I loose some motivation after the first few lifts, I still try to push as much as I can and move decent weight. I train 5 times a week. My strength has only gone down slightly since the end of the cycle but is consistent with what it was before the cycle. I also get at least 7 hours of sleep every day and I have a desk job which is not overly stressful. There is also no other factors in my life which would be causing me stress at this point in time.
I am sure that the gear and PCT are not poor quality as I get pharmaceutical grade where I can, I can feel them working and my brother also takes the same stuff and has none of these problems.
I have had a similar problem before, after a previous cycle I did loose muscle mass rapidly and I can't remember how long it took to recover then. After other cycles the effects were not bad but I didn't actually keep my gains. My diet and training and always been quite good.
I believe my symptoms are consistent with low natural test. I have just started on some USN Testo Tribulus and have stinging nettle root tea now in the hopes they will help with my natural test. I have not have any bloods done as I am not sure which blood tests should be done exactly. I will see my GP after I finish my PCT if nothing has improved. I am obviously keen to avoid any suggestion of TRT at this age so I would like to try everything possible before that. The only PCT that I will be able to get my hands on quite quickly now is HCG. As mentioned above, I did use it during my PCT but I also have seen things get a bit worse as well during that time. I am able to get private blood tests done quite quickly but it is a bit costly so I also want to avoid the number of tests that I do
So my questions are:
What is causing this exactly?
What should I have done differently with the cycle to prevent this?
Is this normal, I have searched forums for days and couldn't find anyone with a similar issue.
What can I do now to cure this?
Will things just sort itself out after time and how long should I expect this to take?
What blood tests should I do, and what is the next step once I get the results?
In addition, I appreciate any other comments or suggestions about anything else that I have said here.
At this point I think I am done with the gear, my body clearly doesn't react very well to it. Even during the cycles my gains are not so significant that it is worth risking this, however I am still interested in what should have been done differently. My main concern now is just sorting this issue out.
Apologies for the long post, and thanks in advance for the help.