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    Cycle Review and Critique!

    About to start a new cycle, wanted some opinions, and insight on how this cycle looks so far.

    Test Cyp-500mg/Weeks 1-14
    Dbol-40mg/Weeks 1-4
    Deca-400mg/Weeks 1-12
    Masteron-400mg/Week 9-14
    Liv 52-2-4 pills every day/ Weeks 1-5
    Arimidex-0.5-1 EOD/Depending on how I am handling sides
    HCG-500IU every 10 days, Starting week 4 till week 14
    Clomid-PCT 100mg 1st 15 days/50mg next 20 days

    Main goals is to gain as much lean muscle mass as possible and towards the end to cut down on fat and achieve a harder/leaner looking physique

    Stats at the moment-
    Height- 6'0
    Weigh- 205lbs
    Bf%-10-12%

    Some questions that I have with this-

    A.) Should I keep this cycle to 14 weeks? or cut it 12? I have it set at 14 because I've read that the true effects of Deca take a while to kick in and are better off utilized for longer cycles?

    B.) Test,Deca,Dianabol all having a higher estrogen amortization rate, what are the recommendations as far as an A.I. goes and dosage according to this cycle?

    C.) At the moment my protein intake is set to 1.1lb per bw, with the large increase from protein synthesis, what range or how much higher do you guys set your protein intake while on cycle?

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    I would drop the mast and keep it simple, mast is best with tren on a cut cycle. also the liver support is not gonna be neccesary for 4 weeks of dbol

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    To be brutal here, pick one. You can lean bulk but you won't be dropping fat either.


    What would be the point of bulking for 6-8 weeks then cutting back what u gained?

    I guess if you'd like to do a phase thing, run for 18-22 weeks. I personally am doing a 10 week bulk and 12 week prep for my contest.


    Thats more advanced.


    Time carbs right, and at the tail end of your cycle run clen and up your AI for water loss.

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    Is it not good with deca and test? Also why will the liver support not be necessary for 4 weeks of dbol? I thought you take a liver support while taking any oral steroid.

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    So pick either a lean bulk or a cutting oriented cycle?

    Well my plan was just to put on some lean mass and towards the end of the cycle take the Masteron, change my diet, and intensify my conditioning. To hopefully bring out much more muscle definition and a better overall Physique towards the end of the cycle.

    I guess though if I did decide to scratch this and go with a cutting orientated cycle, what is your thoughts on a beginner cutting cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceyyy View Post
    About to start a new cycle, wanted some opinions, and insight on how this cycle looks so far.

    Test Cyp-500mg/Weeks 1-14
    Dbol-40mg/Weeks 1-4
    Deca-400mg/Weeks 1-12
    Masteron-400mg/Week 9-14
    Liv 52-2-4 pills every day/ Weeks 1-5
    Arimidex-0.5-1 EOD/Depending on how I am handling sides
    HCG-500IU every 10 days, Starting week 4 till week 14
    Clomid-PCT 100mg 1st 15 days/50mg next 20 days

    Main goals is to gain as much lean muscle mass as possible and towards the end to cut down on fat and achieve a harder/leaner looking physique

    Stats at the moment-
    Height- 6'0
    Weigh- 205lbs
    Bf%-10-12%

    Some questions that I have with this-

    A.) Should I keep this cycle to 14 weeks? or cut it 12? I have it set at 14 because I've read that the true effects of Deca take a while to kick in and are better off utilized for longer cycles?

    B.) Test,Deca,Dianabol all having a higher estrogen amortization rate, what are the recommendations as far as an A.I. goes and dosage according to this cycle?

    C.) At the moment my protein intake is set to 1.1lb per bw, with the large increase from protein synthesis, what range or how much higher do you guys set your protein intake while on cycle?
    Why the masteron for 6 weeks, don't need this really and if you want to use it drop the deca and use the masteron the whole time. You want to stay lean and put on muscle, masteron is a better choice than deca. Also you can use dbol for more than 4 weeks, I don't know when this 4 week thing started but that's when the dbol is going to be kicking nice, why drop it. You can lower it but don't drop it. So what I would do
    Test 500mgs 1-14
    Dbol @40mgs 1-4
    Dbol @25mgs 5-14
    Masteron @400mgs 1-14

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    I thought that Masteron was used more of as a cutter for the end of a cycle? Also that it shouldn't be used as the main aas due to it not having as strong anabolic effects as other steroids such as deca.

    I'll look more into the Dbol thing, I haven't read anyone using Dbol for their whole cycle mostly just as a kick-starter until the other compounds start taking effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceyyy View Post
    I thought that Masteron was used more of as a cutter for the end of a cycle? Also that it shouldn't be used as the main aas due to it not having as strong anabolic effects as other steroids such as deca.

    I'll look more into the Dbol thing, I haven't read anyone using Dbol for their whole cycle mostly just as a kick-starter until the other compounds start taking effect.
    I know you haven't read about more than d-bo0l as a Kickstart because of the era, but you'll get much better results by staying on it longer. I understand the Kickstart thing, the dbol will work while your waiting for your Long esters to kick,makes sense. That's why I say hit the dbol at 40 Mgs first 4 weeks but you do not have to drop it out of your cycle after that, just reduce it. As to the Masteron , yes alot of guys use it as a contest drug but that doesn't mean that is it's only use. 5 weeks of masteron is just not long enough. If you are looking to stay lean in this upcoming cycle, first your diet MUST be in order. Second, I definitely would drop the deca in favor if Masterin(just my opinion). I find deca to be a wet type of compound, hold water, with Masteron you will put on lean muscle and get that dense, hard look to your muscles. Dbol can also make you hold water, but again it's mostly your diet. You can be shredded on dbol if you eat right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFlex View Post
    To be brutal here, pick one. You can lean bulk but you won't be dropping fat either.


    What would be the point of bulking for 6-8 weeks then cutting back what u gained?

    I guess if you'd like to do a phase thing, run for 18-22 weeks. I personally am doing a 10 week bulk and 12 week prep for my contest.


    Thats more advanced.


    Time carbs right, and at the tail end of your cycle run clen and up your AI for water loss.

    If you think it's not possible then explain to me how my body fat levels are dropping while I'm adding LBM.

    You're right about carb timing, that's very important.

    You're wrong about running clen at the end, I'd run it throughout the whole cycle.

    You're very, very, misguided about losing water by increasing AIs.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 45PRs View Post
    If you think it's not possible then explain to me how my body fat levels are dropping while I'm adding LBM.

    You're right about carb timing, that's very important.

    You're wrong about running clen at the end, I'd run it throughout the whole cycle.

    You're very, very, misguided about losing water by increasing AIs.


    For drastic measures, if you seriously want to get shredded (in my terms, ready for a contest) you can't lean bulk. Yeah you can go down a few % in BF while adding LBM.

    AI increase with proper sodium, carb and water manipulation works wonders, but I only advise it for a week tops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceyyy View Post
    About to start a new cycle, wanted some opinions, and insight on how this cycle looks so far.

    Test Cyp-500mg/Weeks 1-14
    Dbol-40mg/Weeks 1-4
    Deca-400mg/Weeks 1-12
    Masteron-400mg/Week 9-14
    Liv 52-2-4 pills every day/ Weeks 1-5
    Arimidex-0.5-1 EOD/Depending on how I am handling sides
    HCG-500IU every 10 days, Starting week 4 till week 14
    Clomid-PCT 100mg 1st 15 days/50mg next 20 days

    Main goals is to gain as much lean muscle mass as possible and towards the end to cut down on fat and achieve a harder/leaner looking physique

    Stats at the moment-
    Height- 6'0
    Weigh- 205lbs
    Bf%-10-12%

    Some questions that I have with this-

    A.) Should I keep this cycle to 14 weeks? or cut it 12? I have it set at 14 because I've read that the true effects of Deca take a while to kick in and are better off utilized for longer cycles?

    B.) Test,Deca,Dianabol all having a higher estrogen amortization rate, what are the recommendations as far as an A.I. goes and dosage according to this cycle?

    C.) At the moment my protein intake is set to 1.1lb per bw, with the large increase from protein synthesis, what range or how much higher do you guys set your protein intake while on cycle?




    I won't use deca again because of how hard it shuts lil stumpy down (even when my blood work is perfect); I'd recommend NPP instead. If you stick with the deca I'd run the test and deca at a 2:1 ratio at a bare minimum, so add 300mg/week more of test c.

    I'd run masteron throughout the whole cycle. You can easily run this cycle for 14 weeks, which I would. I always stop whenever my body tells me too, sometimes that means earlier than planned.

    Liv 52 is a waste of your money, get some UDCA.

    If you're planning on cycling again pretty soon, I'd drop the PCT and cruise instead. You don't need to PCT after every cycle.

    I prefer exemestane over arimidex because of how it works (no estro rebound), and it's shorter half life. It's much easier to adjust on the fly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFlex View Post
    For drastic measures, if you seriously want to get shredded (in my terms, ready for a contest) you can't lean bulk. Yeah you can go down a few % in BF while adding LBM.

    AI increase with proper sodium, carb and water manipulation works wonders, but I only advise it for a week tops.

    Well now you're calling yourself a liar . I doubt he's trying to get shredded for a contest so he very well could add lbm and drop bf this cycle.

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