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    DQ test cyp blood work & Westward test cyp blood work (TRT dosages) compared

    I have been on TRT for a number of years now but am only essentially scripted enough to run 200mg per week for 9 months. This in turn causes me to constantly seek out different underground labs that have a product similar to my Watson/Westward test cypionate I get from my pharmacy that will offer me comparable results. DQ has a good reputation here and they have a 200mg cypionate just as my pharmacy cypionate is so I figured I would givethem a shot and run bloods with their product then run bloods with my Westward cypionate. I also really liked the fact that both products (DQ & Westward) say “Manufactured by: Hikma Farmaceutica” so felt like these two would be perfect to run and compare. DQ’s service and turnaround was wonderfuland I must say I absolutely love their Cialis.
    For full disclosure i received a great looking product from DQ and was so excited to start i immediately changed from my pharmacygrade Westward to DQ cyp immediately without missing a beat or changing protocol at all. I had blood work pulled exactly 3 weeks and 4 days later afterstarting the DQ cypionate. After blood work results i then switched back over to Westward cyp at same dosage and same exact protocol to set myself up to have blood work pulled again before next doctors visit.
    My protocol is as follows:
    200 mg per week divided up into 2 doses of 100mg each taken 3.5 days apart and 6.25 mg of aromasin taken every other day. For my blood work i always wait at least 4 days to do it after last injection. I use insulin pins to make sure i get all the oil and inject into delts which is really simple to do and has worked well over the years with no scar tissue buildup. I pulled blood work exactly 4 days after last injection for DQ cypionate so I did exact same thing with Westward to keep things as close tosame as possible.
    In my past i have scored in the very high 700’s to mid 900’s 4-5 days after last injection on blood work. Usually I always average right at 800-850 ng/dl 4 days after blood work.
    The following is my results running both:
    DQ: 583 ng/dl
    Westward: 811 ng/dl
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Dispense Quick (DQ) blood work November 2016.jpg   Westward blood work March 2017.jpg  
    Last edited by Gr8Wall77; 03-14-2017 at 07:11 AM. Reason: seeing if i could add both scans to one post but not sure how and spelling errors

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    So, how do you feel about those results?

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    So almost 600, not too far off.


    Curious what the range of possible fluctuation I wonder. Would 100-200 points be normal? Seems a little high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dannie View Post
    So, how do you feel about those results?

    I was disappointed a little hence why I switched back to Westward. I loved the DQ Cialis but the test in all honesty that result is the lowest number I have had since being on trt. I will order the Cialis again for certain. The test I don't plan on finishing the bottle I have already opened or using the unopened bottle at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intense View Post
    So almost 600, not too far off.


    Curious what the range of possible fluctuation I wonder. Would 100-200 points be normal? Seems a little high.
    I'd say that's a pretty big fluctuation for that low of a dose. Definitely not right. ISO just came back low too with heavy. That could have been more of an excretion time problem but I'm not sure yet. I'll be doing labs in a couple months on the iso

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    I'd say that's a pretty big fluctuation for that low of a dose. Definitely not right. ISO just came back low too with heavy. That could have been more of an excretion time problem but I'm not sure yet. I'll be doing labs in a couple months on the iso
    I haven't seen heavys post yet. I'll have to go check it out, but yeah the number is a little concerning even though he didn't follow the proper protocol.. I'm unsure what difference that would have made.

    I am on DQ Test Cyp as well, and have blood work coming up. In the past I have always been satisfied with the number I get on DQ gear, especially in comparison to some other very respected labs.. With UGLs this is part of it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gr8Wall77 View Post
    I was disappointed a little hence why I switched back to Westward. I loved the DQ Cialis but the test in all honesty that result is the lowest number I have had since being on trt. I will order the Cialis again for certain. The test I don't plan on finishing the bottle I have already opened or using the unopened bottle at this point.
    Wait, so you would rather just trash it rather than just increase the dose? Regardless if the result came in a little lower than pharma, if the gear has always been clean why just discard it? I'm just curious, doesn't make sense to me.

    Also, I'm sure DQ will chime in soon with a solution for you. He's always done the right thing by me and all other members I know of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intense View Post
    I haven't seen heavys post yet. I'll have to go check it out, but yeah the number is a little concerning even though he didn't follow the proper protocol.. I'm unsure what difference that would have made.

    I am on DQ Test Cyp as well, and have blood work coming up. In the past I have always been satisfied with the number I get on DQ gear, especially in comparison to some other very respected labs.. With UGLs this is part of it.




    Wait, so you would rather just trash it rather than just increase the dose? Regardless if the result came in a little lower than pharma, if the gear has always been clean why just discard it? I'm just curious, doesn't make sense to me.

    Also, I'm sure DQ will chime in soon with a solution for you. He's always done the right thing by me and all other members I know of.

    No, I didn't follow the protocol on website but I followed the protocol I have been on for years so figured this would be the best way to test it for myself since I am very familiar with my own protocol and familiar with the numbers I commonly come back with on that protocol.

    It's definitely pain free clean gear but I would prefer know how much I am taking at all times and not have to guess how much extra to use is just my train of thought at the moment. I think I have been spoiled on pharmacy gear for awhile so was just expecting those results is my conclusion. There is most definitely active product in it I believe as without test I come in the 270's- to almost 300 ng/dl natural level first thing in morning fasted on empty stomach so obviously it was doing something just not what I had expected or hoped. I was just hoping since it states on box and bottle that it was manufactured by Hikma that results would have reflected the numbers I get on my other test (Watson & Westward) that also have manufactured by Hikma on the label.

    Either way it's no big deal as I am always willing to try out a source that makes a good 200mg Cyp and see if it can stack up with my pharmacy grade oil numbers. I have yet to find one that equaled them since the old days of AMA who made one hell of a good test cyp. I honestly feel that stuff was slightly overdosed as my numbers came back slightly higher than my pharmacy grade oil a couple times on AMA cyp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    I'd say that's a pretty big fluctuation for that low of a dose. Definitely not right. ISO just came back low too with heavy. That could have been more of an excretion time problem but I'm not sure yet. I'll be doing labs in a couple months on the iso
    I do agree. I have seen it posted a few times when blood work comes back low that there could be up to a 28% deviation in the numbers but I have always been pretty close to that 800 range when running blood work 4 days later after last shot of 100mg cyp. It's just my opinion though and I'm sure everyone differs but the distance between those two numbers is nothing like where I normally came back with compared to the pharmacy stuff and my own protocol I run and test myself with every 12 weeks.
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    I feel like without HCG that's what the numbers should look like...


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbal2943 View Post
    I feel like without HCG that's what the numbers should look like...


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    I just didn't or don't understand why the variation since I have never used hcg before at all?

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    So a little bit more then 200ng difference between the 2.

    I don't think it's TOO far off....but yes it is lower then the pharmacy test. There will almost always be a variance in UGL and Pharm and that number is usually give or take 20%. For a long time if you for an 80% + purity UGL you were good to go.

    Also in that 20% you have to take into account the variance in bloodwork that can be caused by a number of things.

    I will bring this up to DQ but, I don't think it's that far off honestly.

    Also can you please post a picture of the vial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    So a little bit more then 200ng difference between the 2.

    I don't think it's TOO far off....but yes it is lower then the pharmacy test. There will almost always be a variance in UGL and Pharm and that number is usually give or take 20%. For a long time if you for an 80% + purity UGL you were good to go.

    Also in that 20% you have to take into account the variance in bloodwork that can be caused by a number of things.

    I will bring this up to DQ but, I don't think it's that far off honestly.

    Also can you please post a picture of the vial.

    I can get a pic posted on thread this evening when I return home no problem and I appreciate your response.

    When you say UGL not quite being the same does this mean that the "manfactured by: Hikma" on the DQ label and bottle is not the same "Hikma" that my Watson or Westward is made at basically?

    This is the lowest my numbers ever were since blood work being on TRT a number of years and just my personal opinion knowing where I generally score at in the past and feeling it wasn't where it should have been but I appreciate your taking the time to chime in with possible reasons for variations in the usual numbers I get. I may personally not feel good about those numbers but as you said typically UGL does not score up with pharmacy which would provide an explanation as to why numbers were lower especially regarding the 80% range you gave me. Thanks again for taking your time to respond.

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    Note, the difference here is 28% Now if the doses were higher 2160 vs 3000 would be quite the difference... of 28% to be precise.

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    Did you use the exact same pins that you used with the Westward?

    For example if you are using a standard pin, a small amount gets stuck in tip, compared to if you are using say a slin pin, going IM or SubQ??

    The difference in the syringe also must be noted (if there was one)

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