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    Dbol VS. Anadrol

    Saw this over at PM, a very good read. Just want to share it with you guys.


    The Great Oral Debate: Anadrol vs. Dianabol
    By Gavin Kane

    For many years, a great debate has raged over which oral is superior for mass gains, and two of them have stood the test of time; dianabol and anadrol. The debate has continued, arguing which of the two is superior, yet no conclusive evidence has proven one better than the other. People respond to each one differently, some swearing by dbol and some swearing by anadrol. Before we declare one the winner, I am going to go over a bit of history and chemical structure on both products.
    Anadrol (oxymetholone) was first made available in the 1960ís by Syntex. It is very effective at increasing red blood cell production and was promising for treating severe cases of anemia. With the advent of newer and more advanced drugs such as Erythropoietin, which have less androgenic side effects, Anadrol was discontinued. New studies in AIDS/HIV patients revealed Anadrol was particularly effective at reducing wasting symptoms so it was re-released in the late 1990ís.
    Oxymetholone is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, which in theory means it should not convert to estrogen. Since it does not aromatize but still causes gynecomastia in some users, there are other pathways by which it converts. After looking at studies on AIDS patients, I found that it may convert by actively activating the estrogen receptor, so this is a product that would need an anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex.
    Dianabol (methandrostenolone) was first made in 1956 by John Zieglar of Ciba fame. Dianabol has been one of the most popular oral steroids of all time, exploding in popularity in the 1970ís with bodybuilders and football players and expanding into all avenues of athletics during the 1980ís. It somewhat waned during the 1990ís with the steroid control act, but was hot again in the early 2000ís with reproduction in mass quantities by Mexican labs and underground labs.
    Methandrostenolone is a derivative of testosterone and hence will convert to estrogen. Gyno will be a concern for sure, in almost all users, whereas only less than 25% have problems with Anadrol. Again water retention will be a problem, usually due to the estrogenic properties.

    Both products will have similar androgenic side effects, which include; acne, water retention, oily skin, male pattern baldness, and increased body hair growth. Both drugs are c17 alpha alkylated, therefore liver protection will be necessary, especially when combining the two.
    So we come to the premise of this article, Anadrol vs. Dianabol. Why, the great debate over which product to take? They work on different pathways, have similar side effects you will have to combat, and both are liver toxic. So why is there a debate over which is better and which one should you take? Well, as I stated earlier, different people have different responses to each product. Many people, including myself, find high doses of Anadrol to be too much to handle in trade of the results you get. With this product, I have an extreme loss of appetite, massive water retention, and overall aches and pains and headaches.
    On the other hand, when I take Dianabol, I get a general sense of well-being, good but not great size gains, and the ability to keep eating. It sounds like I should keep taking Dianabol and drop the Anadrol, right? Wrong. I get massive male pattern baldness from Dianabol, which I do not experience from Anadrol. I have an increase in blood pressure levels at doses that are high enough to match my gains from Anadrol, and I have to shorten my cycles because of the massive dosages I take to get good gains. So in all, I get some side effects from each that I would like to avoid, while still retaining the great benefits that I can only get from each product.
    Anadrol is well known for its ability to cause massive size and strength increases, and as we all know, a stronger muscle has to become a bigger muscle with enough calories to feed it. Dianabol gives me large, quality muscle gains without as much water retention as Anadrol. So what is the compromise? Do I take one during one cycle and then the other product during my next cycle?
    The answer is no to both. There is no need to short change yourself gains in either department when you can have your cake and eat it too. I am not alone in my assessments of both products. Most guys have similar issues of massive water retention, headaches and loss of appetite with Anadrol, and MPB and fewer gains with Dianabol comparatively. So, the best thing we can do is decrease our dosages of both products to cut down on side-effects and take them at the same time to increase the benefits.
    My recommendation is to take both products in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. Dianabol has been found to work much better for quality gains when taken in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. High doses have severe side effects in some users, a loss of all gains with cessation of the product because of the short cycle (4-6 weeks) and most of the aforementioned side-effects.
    Your dosages will be cycle history dependent but when I was at the peak of my career, I was taking cycles of 200mg Dianabol for 6 weeks per cycle, or 250-300mg Anadrol per 6 week cycle. In later cycles when I decided to combine the two products together, I was able to drop my Dianabol use to 50mg per day, and my Anadrol use to 100mg per day and because of the synergistic effect of the two products combined, the effect was similar to high doses of each but with none of the sides. There is something very synergistic when taking these two products together with just a simple cycle of testosterone and deca-durabolin.
    I would run my Anadrol cycles for 8 weeks at that dose and my Dianabol cycles for 10 weeks at that low dose with no liver toxic effects as proven by my quarterly blood tests. I did not have to take liver protectants, but I recommend them for most users. I no longer had to watch my blood pressure, my water retention was minimal compared to earlier cycles, and I was able to continue eating massive amounts of food because I did not experience appetite loss from a massive dose of Anadrol.
    I highly recommend on your next bulking cycle you try the following: A base cycle of test and deca, add in the Anadrol and Dianabol mix, and some Nolvadex. You will be able to control your water retention, liver toxicity, and other side effects by controlling your dosages. Your doses will vary from mine, but just adjust accordingly and run them for longer periods of time. You will be amazed at the simplicity of this cycle and yet the synergy is un-describable. Your gains will be far better than you have ever had when taking each product alone, your side effects will be less than if you were to take either product in higher doses, thanks to the different biochemical pathways. Everyone already knows that test and anadrol, and deca and dbol are very synergistic. Now combine all four in a cycle and watch yourself just blow up.

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    Thanks for sharing. I've run short 50mg ED dbol cycles previously and prior to even reading this loaded up on anadrol as well. I plan on a 6 week 50mg dbol x 50mg anadrol ed.

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    That's a good read! I haven't ran either for a couple of years but will be running both at 50mg/50mg for 8 weeks beginning in 6 weeks time!

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    I've been combining my Abombs & Dbol for a few years now, but at lower combined doses and 4 weeks term. Looks like I'm bumping it up, as described above!

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    50 mgs of dbol and 100 mgs of anadrol for 8 weeks seems like it could be excessive depending on the user.

    But to be fair I have yet to see my liver values be affected by oral steroids. I always take liv 52 and I am always in range...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinnyguy180 View Post
    50 mgs of dbol and 100 mgs of anadrol for 8 weeks seems like it could be excessive depending on the user.

    But to be fair I have yet to see my liver values be affected by oral steroids. I always take liv 52 and I am always in range...
    Same here bro, dont wanna jynx it but mine have never budged, i always take TUDCA though, seems like the liv52 is working for you but it wont protect the liver from damage, only help repair it whereas tudca will actually protect the liver from damage in the first place.

    But i dont think those doses or durations are excessive at all, anadrol was made to be ran for long periods of time, the shortest study ive found in medical literature was 16 weeks at around 200mgs ed, only about 25% of patients had elevated liver enzymes and they all went back to normal after they stopped the drol. I will say this tho, runnning it for 8 weeks is not the most effective way to use it gains wise, better gains would be made running it either 2 on 2 off or 3 on 2 off etc, it works quick and stops working just as quick. Dbol though can be run for 8 weeks and the user can reap the benefits for the entire 8 weeks. Overall i think dbol will add more size in the same time period, i even go as far to say nothing will add as much pure muscle in 4-6 weeks as dbol, not taking about the water after that drops and what your left with. Definitely a drug every bodybuilder needs in their toolbox IMO

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