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    LGD 4033 bloodwork

    Hi. Before I even post it. Is there any interest in seeing my before and week 5 of cycle test labs for the solo Lgd 4033 I'm doing. Shows the degree of suppression of this substance.

    So far did Week 1 2mg ed
    2 5mg
    3 5 mg
    4 10 mg
    5 10 mg - ongoing

    HCgenerate 5 caps per day along with it.

    Had labs done 2 months before start by my doc and self paid one just the other day end of week 5.
    I'd like to share but the forum I tried posting them on already won't put up the thread for some reason.

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    OK so unlike the other forum I can post a thread here without it being screened first and never being posted. Oh, and not allowed to pm a mod to ask why either.
    That's great! Thanks!

    I'm 38yo M 5'7" 167 lbs. 10-11% bf. Fairly small frame so that's actually decent size for me. Training hard 2 years natural (first foray into PED of any kind).
    Modest gains (bout 5-6 lbs. fat and muscle) moderate strength increase. All in all nothing to shout from the mountain tops about. Feel absolutely great though.
    Workouts good, libido high, balls low, mood is good although definitely some aggressiveness.

    Here's the labs. The first is through my Veterans hospital so it comes of the MyHealtevet website account. The other results were emailed to me so I can only cut and paste the pertinent parts here.


    VA Chemistry/Hematology


    Personal Health Record of ************
    Serum (substance) Specimen


    Collected on 07 Jan 2015 @ 1817 at EDWARD J. HINES JR. HOSPITAL


    Test results slightly outside the reference range are not unusual. Your provider has reviewed your test results and will contact you for any important issues. If you have further questions, please do not hesitate to contact your primary care provider. If you have an amended test and you want to see the history, go to the Comments on the Details page.




    Test Name Result Units Reference Range Test Details
    TESTOSTERONE 1071 ng/dL 250-1100 Details
    TESTOSTERONE.FREE 118.3 pg/mL 35.0-155.0 Details








    Patient Details
    DOB: 06/29/1976
    Age(y/m/d): 038/10/01
    Gender: M SSN:
    Patient ID: 21326498
    Specimen Details


    Date collected: 04/30/2015 1319 Local
    Date entered: 04/30/2015
    Date reported: 05/01/2015 0850 ET


    
    Date Issued: 05/01/15 1044 ET FINAL REPORT Page 1 of 1
    This document contains private and confidential health information protected by state and federal law.
    If you have received this document in error, please call 800-282-7300
    © 1995-2015 Laboratory Corporation of America® Holdings
    All Rights Reserved - Enterprise Report Version:
    General Comments & Additional Information
    Alternate Control Number: 21326498 Alternate Patient ID: Not Provided
    Total Volume: Not Provided Fasting: No


    Ordered Items
    Testosterone, Serum; Venipuncture
    TESTS RESULT FLAG UNITS REFERENCE INTERVAL LAB


    Testosterone, Serum
    Testosterone, Serum 41 Low ng/dL ref: 348 - 1197

    Comment:
    Adult male reference interval is based on a population of lean males
    up to 40 years old.


    So there you have it. Seems I'm thoroughly shut down. This is my first ever PED of any kind. So I'm trying not to be freaked out too bad.

    Info on PCT is wildly varied as many reviews seem to downplay the extent of the suppression this stuff is capable of.
    Any helpful thoughts, advice, ect. would be much appreciated.

    All in all I hope my findings will help shed a bit more light on this interesting compound.

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    Ok, I know a whole bunch of you looked at this before they approved my second post. I'm new so you know.
    Sorry bout that. Well there it is.

    Anyway, yeah shutdown hard. Got RC clomid coming for pct. Hope that it will be good. Thoughts on this and anything else will be greatly appreciated.
    I plan on finishing the lgd (bout 1 week left) unless that's a bad idea.

    How well I'm able to recover will definitely dictate whether I try basically anything else in the future. I suppose that should make sense to you guys.

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    Oh wow! I ran a cycle of that a few months back and felt shutdown but didn't think it would have that much of an effect! And ran straight into a cycle so didn't need to worry about pct but I'd say continue with your last week and run pct and I'm sure you will recover perfectly fine

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    I am continuing this thread as I have just compiled some compelling evidence on the impact of lgd on the liver as well as some other pertinent and I feel very interesting information.

    I want you to know that I am sincere in wanting to add some unbiased clarification to the subject of this relatively understudied compound. I'm not even naming source or trying to influence anyone. Personally I was quite frustrated trying to research this stuff before I decided to run a cycle. So many of the reviews/logs seem, how to put this, somewhat subjective.


    I offer first a bit of background that I don't particularly like to talk about, but will in the I dunno, "name of science" I guess.
    I (hate to admit it but it's the truth) was an alcoholic for many years and do have some degree of cirrhosis. I have ultrasounds and liver panel bloods every 6 months to monitor my condition. So far, since I no longer drink and take such good care of myself (diet, exercise, LIFTING), my liver is doing very well. Docs are pleased with me. Shit I'm pleased with me. 3 years ago I was near death in hospital, now up almost 50 lbs from there and lots of it muscle. So today I saw my doc about last weeks ultrasound and liver labs and everything is normal (for me). She even said, "From your labs and my physical exam I would never guess you have cirrhosis. You look nothing like any of my other cirrhosis patients". Feels good man.

    Get liver panel labs roughly every six months. Wish they had done lipids on this last one but for some reason they don't always order it.

    Before LGD cycle labs
    Plasma (substance) Specimen

    Collected on 05 Jan 2015 @ 0759 at EDWARD J. HINES JR. HOSPITAL


    Test results slightly outside the reference range are not unusual. Your provider has reviewed your test results and will contact you for any important issues. If you have further questions, please do not hesitate to contact your primary care provider. If you have an amended test and you want to see the history, go to the Comments on the Details page.


    Test Name Result Units Reference Range Test Details
    ALANINE AMINOTRANSFERASE 78 High U/L 10-65 Details
    ALBUMIN 3.9 g/dL 3.5-5.0 Details
    ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 112 U/L 45-117 Details
    ALPHA-1-FETOPROTEIN 1.1 ng/mL 0.0-7.9 Details
    ASPARTATE AMINOTRANSFERASE 46 High U/L 10-37 Details
    BILIRUBIN 0.8 mg/dL 0.2-1.0 Details


    On LGD cycle labs
    Plasma (substance) Specimen
    Collected on 25 Apr 2015 @ 0717 at EDWARD J. HINES JR. HOSPITAL
    Test results slightly outside the reference range are not unusual. Your provider has reviewed your test results and will contact you for any important issues. If you have further questions, please do not hesitate to contact your primary care provider. If you have an amended test and you want to see the history, go to the Comments on the Details page.


    Test Name Result Units Reference Range Test Details
    ALANINE AMINOTRANSFERASE 90 High U/L 10-65 Details
    ALBUMIN 4.0 g/dL 3.5-5.0 Details
    ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 93 U/L 45-117 Details
    ALPHA-1-FETOPROTEIN 1.3 ng/mL 0.0-7.9 Details
    ASPARTATE AMINOTRANSFERASE 56 High U/L 10-37 Details
    BILIRUBIN 0.8 mg/dL 0.2-1.0 Details
    MAGNESIUM 1.7 mg/dL 1.7-2.4 Details

    The AST and ALT being slightly elevated is normal for me. Indicative of the existing damage to my liver. Still 2-3 times normal is only considered mildly elevated for anyone, so, not even a concern to myself or my docs.


    I would call this pretty good evidence that lgd is quite harmless to the hepatic system. Keep in mind that as a cirrhosis patient I'm far more sensitive to any liver toxic substance than a completely healthy person and I seem to display no ill effects from the lgd I've been taking.

    Another assumption based on my situation and evidence available to me.
    A symptom of cirrhosis of the liver is, unfortunately, an increase in the production of the aromatase enzyme and subsequently the aromatization of testosterone (and I would assume test based androgens) into estradiol. This is true to some degree in my case, as my E2 level was 56 (slightly above normal range for males) when checked along with the testosterone levels previously posted, although my docs, as of now, aren't doing anything to regulate it. I do have mild gyno (puffy nips, small mass in lower chest, not awful really) but that is present from my drinking days. Alcohol will cause gyno, dammit(work to build upper chest extra hard and it does help make it barely noticeable).

    This being the case my estradiol stays slightly above the norm range. I have not used an AI during this lgd run and exhibit no sign whatsoever of an increase in E2 level. Once again, my pre-existing conditions, cirrhosis and pre-existing mild gyno, renders me far more sensitive to any rise in those levels than a healthy person, yet I seem unaffected.

    I submit that this favors the statements that LGD, in fact, does not affect estradiol levels.

    One other area I would like to touch on is the claims that while LGD causes a signifigant drop in natural testosterone levels, it has a lesser negative affect on LH and FSH.
    My knowledge of this is admittedly limited, but, from what I understand, LH can not be unaffected when near total cessation of natural testosterone production has occured.

    Little weird here, but this is science dammit. FSH stimulates the production of sperm. I have a microscope. Put a "sample" under it for examination. There are very few swimmers at the pool today. Normally it's like a water park on memorial day ok.

    The notion that a compound could effect such severe hpta suppression without greatly reducing LH and FSH levels seems unlikely.


    My humble conclusion: It shuts you down hard as anything, but true to claims, the sides seem to be quite negligible.


    So, as you see, what I am trying to do is use the mistake of my past as a rare opportunity to share some information that quite frankly may not otherwise ever be available. I'm pretty much guinea pigging myself right now. Tell me this, what researcher in their right mind would actually knowingly test a substance like this on a cirrhosis patient. None. Hey, this means in a way I'm actually using a research chemical for actual research. But you must understand that my unique situation does bring to light some fairly conclusive evidence about ldg do you not agree. I understand much of this information has been stated before, but I submit that I offer somewhat more compelling evidence.

    Thank you for reading.
    Comments, questions, corrections are most welcome.










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    Quote Originally Posted by Blapman View Post
    I am continuing this thread as I have just compiled some compelling evidence on the impact of lgd on the liver as well as some other pertinent and I feel very interesting information.

    I want you to know that I am sincere in wanting to add some unbiased clarification to the subject of this relatively understudied compound. I'm not even naming source or trying to influence anyone. Personally I was quite frustrated trying to research this stuff before I decided to run a cycle. So many of the reviews/logs seem, how to put this, somewhat subjective.


    I offer first a bit of background that I don't particularly like to talk about, but will in the I dunno, "name of science" I guess.
    I (hate to admit it but it's the truth) was an alcoholic for many years and do have some degree of cirrhosis. I have ultrasounds and liver panel bloods every 6 months to monitor my condition. So far, since I no longer drink and take such good care of myself (diet, exercise, LIFTING), my liver is doing very well. Docs are pleased with me. Shit I'm pleased with me. 3 years ago I was near death in hospital, now up almost 50 lbs from there and lots of it muscle. So today I saw my doc about last weeks ultrasound and liver labs and everything is normal (for me). She even said, "From your labs and my physical exam I would never guess you have cirrhosis. You look nothing like any of my other cirrhosis patients". Feels good man.

    Get liver panel labs roughly every six months. Wish they had done lipids on this last one but for some reason they don't always order it.

    Before LGD cycle labs
    Plasma (substance) Specimen

    Collected on 05 Jan 2015 @ 0759 at EDWARD J. HINES JR. HOSPITAL


    Test results slightly outside the reference range are not unusual. Your provider has reviewed your test results and will contact you for any important issues. If you have further questions, please do not hesitate to contact your primary care provider. If you have an amended test and you want to see the history, go to the Comments on the Details page.


    Test Name Result Units Reference Range Test Details
    ALANINE AMINOTRANSFERASE 78 High U/L 10-65 Details
    ALBUMIN 3.9 g/dL 3.5-5.0 Details
    ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 112 U/L 45-117 Details
    ALPHA-1-FETOPROTEIN 1.1 ng/mL 0.0-7.9 Details
    ASPARTATE AMINOTRANSFERASE 46 High U/L 10-37 Details
    BILIRUBIN 0.8 mg/dL 0.2-1.0 Details


    On LGD cycle labs
    Plasma (substance) Specimen
    Collected on 25 Apr 2015 @ 0717 at EDWARD J. HINES JR. HOSPITAL
    Test results slightly outside the reference range are not unusual. Your provider has reviewed your test results and will contact you for any important issues. If you have further questions, please do not hesitate to contact your primary care provider. If you have an amended test and you want to see the history, go to the Comments on the Details page.


    Test Name Result Units Reference Range Test Details
    ALANINE AMINOTRANSFERASE 90 High U/L 10-65 Details
    ALBUMIN 4.0 g/dL 3.5-5.0 Details
    ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 93 U/L 45-117 Details
    ALPHA-1-FETOPROTEIN 1.3 ng/mL 0.0-7.9 Details
    ASPARTATE AMINOTRANSFERASE 56 High U/L 10-37 Details
    BILIRUBIN 0.8 mg/dL 0.2-1.0 Details
    MAGNESIUM 1.7 mg/dL 1.7-2.4 Details

    The AST and ALT being slightly elevated is normal for me. Indicative of the existing damage to my liver. Still 2-3 times normal is only considered mildly elevated for anyone, so, not even a concern to myself or my docs.


    I would call this pretty good evidence that lgd is quite harmless to the hepatic system. Keep in mind that as a cirrhosis patient I'm far more sensitive to any liver toxic substance than a completely healthy person and I seem to display no ill effects from the lgd I've been taking.

    Another assumption based on my situation and evidence available to me.
    A symptom of cirrhosis of the liver is, unfortunately, an increase in the production of the aromatase enzyme and subsequently the aromatization of testosterone (and I would assume test based androgens) into estradiol. This is true to some degree in my case, as my E2 level was 56 (slightly above normal range for males) when checked along with the testosterone levels previously posted, although my docs, as of now, aren't doing anything to regulate it. I do have mild gyno (puffy nips, small mass in lower chest, not awful really) but that is present from my drinking days. Alcohol will cause gyno, dammit(work to build upper chest extra hard and it does help make it barely noticeable).

    This being the case my estradiol stays slightly above the norm range. I have not used an AI during this lgd run and exhibit no sign whatsoever of an increase in E2 level. Once again, my pre-existing conditions, cirrhosis and pre-existing mild gyno, renders me far more sensitive to any rise in those levels than a healthy person, yet I seem unaffected.

    I submit that this favors the statements that LGD, in fact, does not affect estradiol levels.

    One other area I would like to touch on is the claims that while LGD causes a signifigant drop in natural testosterone levels, it has a lesser negative affect on LH and FSH.
    My knowledge of this is admittedly limited, but, from what I understand, LH can not be unaffected when near total cessation of natural testosterone production has occured.

    Little weird here, but this is science dammit. FSH stimulates the production of sperm. I have a microscope. Put a "sample" under it for examination. There are very few swimmers at the pool today. Normally it's like a water park on memorial day ok.

    The notion that a compound could effect such severe hpta suppression without greatly reducing LH and FSH levels seems unlikely.


    My humble conclusion: It shuts you down hard as anything, but true to claims, the sides seem to be quite negligible.


    So, as you see, what I am trying to do is use the mistake of my past as a rare opportunity to share some information that quite frankly may not otherwise ever be available. I'm pretty much guinea pigging myself right now. Tell me this, what researcher in their right mind would actually knowingly test a substance like this on a cirrhosis patient. None. Hey, this means in a way I'm actually using a research chemical for actual research. But you must understand that my unique situation does bring to light some fairly conclusive evidence about ldg do you not agree. I understand much of this information has been stated before, but I submit that I offer somewhat more compelling evidence.

    Thank you for reading.
    Comments, questions, corrections are most welcome.









    Thank you for posting your test results! great references!

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    Wow surprising results! Didn't think it would shut you down that bad

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