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    Long cycles V.S short cycles ( vets help)

    Ok so this is going to be a big post and i would love input from some of the vets around here. I have Pmed a few of you on here to ask you personally but i would like everyone opinion on all this. what are your guys thoughts on cycles that are 8-10 weeks V.S 12-20 weeks switching in and out compounds as you go. Reason i am asking is because i am trying to incorporate it into my plans this year. Me and my coach decided no show at the end of this year as i just competed in march. we will focus on making gains for a solid 8 month offseason. this is what i a thinking and am caught between.

    ok as most of you know so far the cycle i have been on has went like this.

    wk 1-3 300NPP + 450 Test E a week
    wk 4-5 450NPP + 750 Test E a week
    1-5 HGH and aromasin

    ok so i am currently on week 5 right now as its monday and week 5 begins. just completed week 4 at higher dosages. So far in these first 4 weeks i have noticed AMAZING vascularity, New muscle fibers in my arms bulging threw, slight increase in strength nothing major, slight weight gain ( only couple lbs), and some size but not a ton. I love NPP. It is like tren for me but no sides. I am staying hard an lean, sweating and just burning threw my 4000 cals. I am trying to add mass for my offseason and its coming just coming really slow. I will be completing week 5 this week and than starting week 6 a week from today and was going to up dosages again till week 10 and than possibly bridge into a new cycle for another 10 weeks. I cruise on 300mg of test a week when i am not cycling but right now its time to cycle. Is 20 weeks to long to be on a cycling period ? i mean will my gains just stop and there is no reason to bridge into another 10 week cycle of new compounds ? This is my area of concern. Don't the pros stay on like a gram or more a year and cycle anabolics in and out and they keep gaining . If so than this is what i had in mind.

    wk 6-10 600NPP + 100o test, still on GH and Ais ( finishing up NPP cycle, )

    than go strait into a new 10 week cycle of

    wk 11-14 40dbol ( 4weeks)
    wk 11-20 800 eq a week
    wk 11-20 1000 Test a week
    still on GH and Ais


    Or i could do this and break because of myostatin at weeks 8-9 "supposedly." however like i said dont big as hell guys just stay on a gram. anyways option 2 is.

    wk 1-3 300NPP + 450 Test E a week
    wk 4-5 450NPP + 750 Test E a week
    1-5 HGH and aromasin

    starting with week 6 next week i could do

    wk6-8 600NPP + 1000 test + GH
    wk 9-12 300 test + 40 dbol + GH ( drop anabolic , lower test and through in dbol while they clear)

    wk 13-16(18) cruise on 300 test +GH for 4-6 weeks get health checked and lean out a little giving body a break.

    Than start up another new cycle of

    wk 1-6 dbol or anadrol
    wk 1-12 800 eq
    wk 1-12 800-1000 test


    The 2nd version i drop down to cruise dosages for 4-6 weeks and than start my eq test cycle.

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    Here is a link to a PDF for a study done in 2009. In a nutshell this study concludes that while myostatin levels increase and max at 56 days or 8 weeks, after 8 weeks the myostatin levels start to decrease and by week 20 actually return to baseline, at least very close.

    What this suggests is that when choosing length of cycle it's best to either go 8 weeks, or stay on past 20 weeks. This would explain why pro BB'ers who never come off keep making gains. I personally would not do this for health reasons, but this is very interesting indeed.

    Measurement of myostatin concentrations in human serum: Circulating concentrations in young and older men and effects
    of testosterone administration

    http://www.afboard.com/library/Measu...nistration.pdf

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    JD,

    How much testosterone were they given in this study?

    I blast and cruise, so would my 300mg cruise be the same as staying on an extended cycle in regards to myostatin levels?


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    The participants received weekly intramuscular injections of testosterone enanthate (TE, Delatestryl, 200mg/mL;
    Savient Pharmaceuticals, Iselin, NJ) in one of five doses: 25, 50, 125, 300, or 600mg
    (Bhasin et al., 2001, 2005). Treatment duration was 20 weeks. The Data and Safety
    Monitoring Board stopped the 600mg TE dose group in December 2002 due to a
    number of adverse events in older men in this dose group. After this point, random-
    ization was limited to one of four TE dose groups: 25, 50, 125, or 300mg weekly.


    To answer your question, according to this study....yes. When I said I wouldn't go more then 20 weeks for health reasons I was referring to supraphysiological doses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    The participants received weekly intramuscular injections of testosterone enanthate (TE, Delatestryl, 200mg/mL;
    Savient Pharmaceuticals, Iselin, NJ) in one of five doses: 25, 50, 125, 300, or 600mg
    (Bhasin et al., 2001, 2005). Treatment duration was 20 weeks. The Data and Safety
    Monitoring Board stopped the 600mg TE dose group in December 2002 due to a
    number of adverse events in older men in this dose group. After this point, random-
    ization was limited to one of four TE dose groups: 25, 50, 125, or 300mg weekly.


    To answer your question, according to this study....yes. When I said I wouldn't go more then 20 weeks for health reasons I was referring to supraphysiological doses.

    Hell yea dude. Thanks a lot for that awesome post....however what if 200mg a week isnt enough T to maintain your frame ? i mean a guy who is 210 ripped cant cruise on 200mg T. He needs to keep his T levels high enough to maintain his new unnatural set point of body mass.

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    Obviously the study wasn't using juiced up bodybuilder's, lol. But yes you would need to determine what that set point is. My purpose was to show the effect of a long testosterone cycle on myostatin, and the fact it returns to baseline is very interesting.

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    Can't you also control myostatin by donating blood or red blood cells?

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    Great study info. Thanks Jerseydevil.

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    You could do a run and gun method, keep a background 200-300 test cyp, then blast 6 weeks on with short esters with 4-6 weeks off.

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    Yea i have actually been reading a lot about this and am considering it with my next run ! seems awesome and a lot of guys seem to like it.

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    Intesresting stuff.I started my cycle mid February and just decided to extend another 10 weeks. Just running 300mgs test with Var for the next 10 weeks though. Then coming off with a good PCT and taking time off. I am looking to compete next year and want to give my body a great rest

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    What was Dave Palumbo recommendation as to duration of blasts?
    I've read that he advocates switching compounds every 6 weeks or so, does that include test or just deca, eq, tren, primo ?
    Last edited by Dannie; 04-29-2014 at 12:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    Here is a link to a PDF for a study done in 2009. In a nutshell this study concludes that while myostatin levels increase and max at 56 days or 8 weeks, after 8 weeks the myostatin levels start to decrease and by week 20 actually return to baseline, at least very close.

    What this suggests is that when choosing length of cycle it's best to either go 8 weeks, or stay on past 20 weeks. This would explain why pro BB'ers who never come off keep making gains. I personally would not do this for health reasons, but this is very interesting indeed.

    Measurement of myostatin concentrations in human serum: Circulating concentrations in young and older men and effects
    of testosterone administration

    http://www.afboard.com/library/Measu...nistration.pdf

    Nice link bro!

    8 weeks is best. You are trying to complicate everything you do Bro. Make it easy. Stop over thinking and just keep doing what you're doing. If that is you in the avatar, you don't need to be second guessing anything. KEEP IT SIMPLE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XYZ View Post
    Nice link bro!

    8 weeks is best. You are trying to complicate everything you do Bro. Make it easy. Stop over thinking and just keep doing what you're doing. If that is you in the avatar, you don't need to be second guessing anything. KEEP IT SIMPLE.
    lol yes that is me in my avatar brother and this is me now. pics at bottom.

    http://anabolicsteroidforums.com/sho...s-%21%21/page7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dannie View Post
    What was Dave Palumbo recommendation as to duration of blasts?
    I've read that he advocates switching compounds every 6 weeks or so, does that include test or just deca, eq, tren, primo ?
    Here is a palumbo cycle he wrote me early last year before switching coaches

    wk 1-6 250 Test Cyp eod + 200mg deca eod
    wk 7-12 250 Test E eod + 200-300eq eod
    wk 13-18 250 sustanson or cyp or Enan. eod + 75mg tren ace eod.

    1mg adex eod whole time.

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