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Deca Fatigue?

Matt88

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Just finishing up 16 weeks of deca. First 8 weeks was 300mg and I bumped it to 400mg of deca the 2nd 8 weeks. About week 14 till now I have severe fatigue. Like super tired and lethergic. I use arimdex for e2 for all my cycles and usually have zero issues controlling e2. Also currently on 400mg of test E. I ran the test E up to 600mg but dropped it back to 400mg a couple weeks ago to see if that was a contributing factor. I know from experience if I raise test above 600 I'm a lethergic pos regardless of e2 control. Going to get labs later this week when I get a day off. Went to get them the other day and they was closed.

I've had zero symptoms of e2 being off and I have zero reason to believe it's a prolactin issue although the labs will determine that 100% just can't drive 1.5 hrs to have it done till the end of the week.

2 questions:

1. Anyone get lethergic from deca late in the cycle?

2. If you do how long after you stopped the deca did the symptoms last given the long half life of the nandrolone deconate?
 
I get fatigue first 2-3 weeks of nan blasts. You may want to get bloods or donate if okay with Your doc. I have found a correlation between high RBC’s and my fatigue levels. But, it could be a lot of things . Just do your check up and be safe .

Max
 
Thanks for the responses. I donate blood every 3 months (I do double reds and they only let me do it every 90 days) and I am due to donate again this month so high rbc/hgb/hct is definitely a strong possibility. When I donate I'm usually around 19.0-19.8 on my hgb on blasts and around 17 on trt cruise.
 
Mattwv88 said:
Thanks for the responses. I donate blood every 3 months (I do double reds and they only let me do it every 90 days) and I am due to donate again this month so high rbc/hgb/hct is definitely a strong possibility. When I donate I'm usually around 19.0-19.8 on my hgb on blasts and around 17 on trt cruise.
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Yeah, for me it’s sucks because I have had it pre teens . It always seems to be borderline to high and I have done as much as I can. I am trying some new(not really) supps to see if they have any affect . Maybe if I drank alcohol ! Lol .
Appreciate you donating . Since I am on HRT (w test/gh/peptides), I have to ge therapeutic blood draws. They won’t let me donate because of rHGH . But my NP (not even my Anti Aging MD) stays in top of it, she is all about keeping that blood thin(says it will definitely extend my life). I may start using aspirin daily but, I don’t take NSAIDS at this time. I’m always worried about GI issues , ulcers . The daily 5mg Cialis is supposed to help BPH so, I do take as much preventative supplements & medications to help me stay as healthy as I can. The best thing I invested in was an Accucheck glucometer and a BP/Hr monitor . Once they have a watch that does bloodwork .....that would kill it ! Most everything should be free but it would kill with “ in app purchases “.

Max
 
maxmuscle1 said:
Yeah, for me it’s sucks because I have had it pre teens . It always seems to be borderline to high and I have done as much as I can. I am trying some new(not really) supps to see if they have any affect . Maybe if I drank alcohol ! Lol .
Appreciate you donating . Since I am on HRT (w test/gh/peptides), I have to ge therapeutic blood draws. They won’t let me donate because of rHGH . But my NP (not even my Anti Aging MD) stays in top of it, she is all about keeping that blood thin(says it will definitely extend my life). I may start using aspirin daily but, I don’t take NSAIDS at this time. I’m always worried about GI issues , ulcers . The daily 5mg Cialis is supposed to help BPH so, I do take as much preventative supplements & medications to help me stay as healthy as I can. The best thing I invested in was an Accucheck glucometer and a BP/Hr monitor . Once they have a watch that does bloodwork .....that would kill it ! Most everything should be free but it would kill with “ in app purchases “.

Max
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so you’re saying NSAIDs would help with this high RBC count? Obviously donating blood would be the best move, but anything that thins the blood helps?
 
Acute or chronic doses of aspirin reduced the RBC count, hemoglobin and other red cell indices as compared to controls.
the current study, there was a significantly lower hemoglobin level in the high-dose aspirin group.

Idk, I am formulating a blood thinning, high O2, circulation blend to see if it works . It reminds me of raising my HDL while on....super hard. I did run across some interesting studies using newer novel substance combos to raise hdl/lower ldl , AND help protect kidneys ! I will post up once I finish research. Some of these take months to put together, especially learning all the terminology and I have heavy sciences education. Some stuff is just bull, but when I see the Big P’s hand getting into the “supp” or “nutraceutical game” I start paying attention.

Max
 
maxmuscle1 said:
Acute or chronic doses of aspirin reduced the RBC count, hemoglobin and other red cell indices as compared to controls.
the current study, there was a significantly lower hemoglobin level in the high-dose aspirin group.

Idk, I am formulating a blood thinning, high O2, circulation blend to see if it works . It reminds me of raising my HDL while on....super hard. I did run across some interesting studies using newer novel substance combos to raise hdl/lower ldl , AND help protect kidneys ! I will post up once I finish research. Some of these take months to put together, especially learning all the terminology and I have heavy sciences education. Some stuff is just bull, but when I see the Big P’s hand getting into the “supp” or “nutraceutical game” I start paying attention.

Max
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Good to know. I’ll pick up a bottle incase I start having some troubles. Thanks!
 
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Mattwv88 said:
Just finishing up 16 weeks of deca. First 8 weeks was 300mg and I bumped it to 400mg of deca the 2nd 8 weeks. About week 14 till now I have severe fatigue. Like super tired and lethergic. I use arimdex for e2 for all my cycles and usually have zero issues controlling e2. Also currently on 400mg of test E. I ran the test E up to 600mg but dropped it back to 400mg a couple weeks ago to see if that was a contributing factor. I know from experience if I raise test above 600 I'm a lethergic pos regardless of e2 control. Going to get labs later this week when I get a day off. Went to get them the other day and they was closed.

I've had zero symptoms of e2 being off and I have zero reason to believe it's a prolactin issue although the labs will determine that 100% just can't drive 1.5 hrs to have it done till the end of the week.

2 questions:

1. Anyone get lethergic from deca late in the cycle?

2. If you do how long after you stopped the deca did the symptoms last given the long half life of the nandrolone deconate?
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I am having, have had, similar symptoms and manifestations after tying up a 13wk deca run. I believe it is tied to high RBC's, general fatigue from hitting the weights super hard and also weight gain. I gained about 12pds, with roughly 9 of real muscle, 3 of fat. I feel good, but the extra/new body weight literally tires me out. I'm more lumbering than agile like I used to be. Fuck, just being heavier than "normal" is a fatigue stressor in itself.

Have you undergone any significant weight fluctuations during your blast?
 
My buddy at the gym asked me if his Deca run 600mg) was causing him to sweat more. He swears he’s sweating too much. Never heard of it.
Methinks the fact he just got back in town from NY might have something to do with it.
 
I always double deca/ test. So....300dec/600test. Also...npp seems to be a more popular choice with Nan nowadays. Same growth for me without decades dick or getting ,"puffy"
 
Good info christiantt.
Yeah I went from 205 to 220 during that 16 week time period so that could definitely be a contributing factor. I honestly look like I have less fat now though at 220 than I did at 205. I'm sure I gained some fat. I'm not going to think I gained all muscle but the vast majority of that is definitely muscle based on appearance and my strength sky rocketing.

CoachCabo 400mg gives me bad night sweats but so does most anabolics at a similar dosage.
 
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Matty5013 I actually have 5 vails of NPP in my room waiting on me. Going to cruise for a month or 2 on test and anavar then hop on the npp more than likely. Just depends on how I'm feeling fatigue wise etc. Excited to get my blood donation done here soon. Of course I'll hear the usual lecture from them about my hgb being high and how I need to see a doctor blah blah.
 
Mattwv88 said:
Matty5013 I actually have 5 vails of NPP in my room waiting on me. Going to cruise for a month or 2 on test and anavar then hop on the npp more than likely. Just depends on how I'm feeling fatigue wise etc. Excited to get my blood donation done here soon. Of course I'll hear the usual lecture from them about my hgb being high and how I need to see a doctor blah blah.
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Run the npp with a short Ester test. I like test prop with my npp and pin EOD. Also, Anadrol or superdrol first 3 weeks.
 
CoachCabo said:
My buddy at the gym asked me if his Deca run 600mg) was causing him to sweat more. He swears he’s sweating too much. Never heard of it.
Methinks the fact he just got back in town from NY might have something to do with it.
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19nor’s make me sweat like a fuckin pig, leg days I bring an extra sweat towel and shirt to wear home
 
I’m a little late to this party but Proviron should take care of any fatigue/lethargic, right?
 
I wondered about proviron. Only reason I haven't tried it is I mentioned trying it to my wife and she insists my sex drive is crazy enough as is so I didn't pull the trigger on it. I know it greatly frees up test. Maybe some others can offer some insight on proviron helping with deca fatigue? Do you have any experience with proviron and deca @Bbruce?
 
Mattwv88 said:
I wondered about proviron. Only reason I haven't tried it is I mentioned trying it to my wife and she insists my sex drive is crazy enough as is so I didn't pull the trigger on it. I know it greatly frees up test. Maybe some others can offer some insight on proviron helping with deca fatigue? Do you have any experience with proviron and deca @Bbruce?
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No, but I have Deca and Proviron ready for my next blast, it’ll be my first with both so I’m not sure what to expect. I did get the Proviron to hopefully take care of any unwanted side from the Deca.
 
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I'd definitely hold off on the proviron until later. If you have side effects you wont know if it's the deca or proviron if you start both at the same time since u have never taken either one.
 
Mattwv88 said:
I'd definitely hold off on the proviron until later. If you have side effects you wont know if it's the deca or proviron if you start both at the same time since u have never taken either one.
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Yeah that’s the responsible thing to do but that’s no fun 😉
 
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