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FWIW, I haven't said any bb'ers died from vax. Yet...
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No buddy it wasn’t directed directly at you. Go back through and read where the it all started and the ones the followed.
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Dudes won’t even stop smoking, drinking or recreational drugs even though it means certain health issues. I am talking about dudes right here on this forum! I saw in a thread recently a guy with 170 over whateverthefuck blood presdure but the talk of steroids is still in the conversation!
So blaming steroids is like saying a dude run over by a truck was killed by the tires.
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Thanks man. I do try really hard not to post BS (except BS for laughs--I post a lot of that). I think I've only had to post two retractions. Not too shabby a track record, if I do say so myself.
Vax is more dividing than religion or politics. And this is the Pit, so no thread stays on topic.
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propaganda and brainwashing? Oh the irony. Let’s blame the satanic cabal next. Where are the natural bb bodies? You conspiracy nuts rely on mental gymnastics and correlation. I’ve never said anything about the safety of the vaccine.
I’ve never learned shit from you not even about Shawns case.
You’re not a dr and you’re not Shawns Dr.
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"LMAO" and "needed a laugh" does not prove your point. Only makes people who are critical thinking question your point as you have not made one.
It is up to you. Prove me wrong, I have been in the past.
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Sir what do u want me to say...I have proven to u Phil.
Shawn is a potential.
I have 2 potential examples and some of you guys are acting as if it's impossible.
I'm not gonna help the forum w inside info anymore. It's not deserved openly.
Anyone that doesn't wanna believe so be it.
When I revealed Dallas 55k same thing....
Now it's gospel.
Quite frankly I'm tired of holding hands. I love the crew here and many members but screw this....
I'm.not providing any more info.. this is offensive and quite frankly I have far better things to do then argue on a forum.
Does anyone arguing me even have medical experience? A license? Admin of med cert? I think not. I'm arguing w Novices..
The End.
Don't ask me for help in any regards.
Bro, it's not normal to get this worked up about such things. I really think you need to take a step back from election fraud, politics, the vaccine, etc. it's consuming you in a very negative way. Just some friendly advice.
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This further helps prove my point.
I can be proven wrong and when I am I will admit it. If the best you can do is be offended that proves me right.
Good night everyone.
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Same, I have never said the vax killed any bodybuilder. Haha, pretty sure some guys are on Tren.......FWIW, I haven't said any bb'ers died from vax. Yet...
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what insider info? You provide second and third hand conspiracy and gossip.Bostin is a gossip queen junky who no one in the industry likes or respects but somehow “knows” what every coach ever does with every client and for some reason even though he’s never met Dante thinks he knows about him too. You haven’t provided anything to discredit Dante, who by the way unlike you or bostin, actually has contributed and still contributes more to this industry than most people in it combined. Even though unhappy, miserable people try and throw mud on his name every chance they get.
Do you have a medical license?
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In Taiwan more people have died from the vaccine than from Covid.
Yes, the bodybuilding lifestyle/drugs can kill you. To deny adding the vaccine To that combo can make it a lot worse sounds to me like a pro-vaxxer denying reality.
https://twitter.com/simonmaxfield8/status/1451930299055677440?s=21
Yes, the bodybuilding lifestyle/drugs can kill you. To deny adding the vaccine To that combo can make it a lot worse sounds to me like a pro-vaxxer denying reality.
https://twitter.com/simonmaxfield8/status/1451930299055677440?s=21
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Twitter is not reliable just like Facebook and YouTube.
https://www.polygraph.info/a/fact-check-taiwan-covid-vaccine-death/31521527.html
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This goes on to say deaths following the vaccine haven’t been proven that the vaccine was the cause, that it was from underlying conditions. Yet, every person who dies with Covid in their system is considered a Covid death even when they get killed on a motorcycle. Total hypocrisy!
I take the pro vaccine narrative very personally. I have been living with the after effects with my mother who’s neurological system quickly deteriorated leading to a massive stroke after receiving the vaccine.
You can’t have it both ways. If you want to say underlying conditions led to the vaccine related deaths then they most certainly count in Covid deaths.
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I received one Phizer vaccine shot, within hours my heart started racing and I had shortness of breath, this lasted for 4 days. Also I felt tired and had lots of headaches for 4-5 days. So it definitely affected my heart and breathing in a negative way. I could see this being a trigger to heart attack in someone who was already prone to one with underlying conditions.
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Wes, you are connect to the industry in ways (most of us) will never appreciate. I hope you continue to share your insight with us. At least some of us have a great appreciation for what you bring to the board!
Back off topic ... I recently go the Phizer shot as well ... had to with my position at work (no way I could have challenged it from my role in a company). Took ibuprofen before and nattokinase after and will keep taking it. Zero side effects, so very lucky. D-Dimer results showed no spike - so I'm fortunate.
Back off topic ... I recently go the Phizer shot as well ... had to with my position at work (no way I could have challenged it from my role in a company). Took ibuprofen before and nattokinase after and will keep taking it. Zero side effects, so very lucky. D-Dimer results showed no spike - so I'm fortunate.
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Sounds like you missed the point.
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I think you are right
I def lost my patience and this topic itself is very politicized and weaponized.
Having worked in the medical field for a very long time, administering meds, including vaccines, it is VERY frustrating for me to debate with people with little or no education or experience, friends or not. I intend to roll back my participation in these topics.
Thank you for the advice, it is much appreciated coming from you
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the point is.. steroid abuse leads to death regardless of taking the vaccine.
the post stated the position of “stop blaming the vaccine for something that happens every year due to steroid abuse in the sport of bodybuilding.
If you take the vaccine out of the argument then this post is nothing more than “we are all hypocrites for saying you shouldn’t abuse drugs even tho most everyone of us does.
well… we all gonna die someday anyways, right? To each there own. Do your thing. Get the vax. Don’t get the vax. Take 3g of juice 6 years non stop… use trt dose for its actual purpose.
do you bud. Do you!
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I appreciate your opinion and where you come from.
BTW, I became fully vaccinated just last week and missed almost an entire month of work because I was considering quitting or retirement over taking the shot.
My point is I don't need it, I would rather get the flu. My wife is self employed and has not gotten the shot for same reason I stated for myself.
Everyone should decide for themselves, not the government.
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I think you are right
I def lost my patience and this topic itself is very politicized and weaponized.
Having worked in the medical field for a very long time, administering meds, including vaccines, it is VERY frustrating for me to debate with people with little or no education or experience, friends or not. I intend to roll back my participation in these topics.
Thank you for the advice, it is much appreciated coming from you
FWIW, I appreciate ya. You're one of a very small number of names that gets spoken in my home.
This thread seems to be drama that started some place else and I'm not privy to. I usually leave those things alone. If I want drama I can always go ask the wife her thoughts about the weather or where we should eat dinner.
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I’d still vote gymntonic for president. Just say’n!
I think you are right
I def lost my patience and this topic itself is very politicized and weaponized.
Having worked in the medical field for a very long time, administering meds, including vaccines, it is VERY frustrating for me to debate with people with little or no education or experience, friends or not. I intend to roll back my participation in these topics.
Thank you for the advice, it is much appreciated coming from you
I feel the same way which is why I stopped watching/following politics except the little bit I see on social media and here.
The bottom line is we can't change any of it, so just live your life.
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Email sent out by John Jewett for his subscribers -
This year alone we have a list of deaths from well known bodybuilders. It is extremely sad and very unfortunate. But I do fear that list is only going to increase.
The health impacts from the level of drug use we see used in the 90s and escalating even more so now is only coming to light currently. We won’t see full effects of a lot of this till the guys that compete in their prime are 10-15 years post competing. Sometimes not the case it hits guys while still in their prime.
How much or how little can you get away with before an issue happens is hard to say. The accumulation of lifetime usage is going to impact us all differently. Its the area under the curve of lifetime exposure to supraphysiological doses that is detrimental. High dosages short term, low doses long term or both high dose and long term that area under the curve adds up similarly. I highly promote use as little for as short as possible to see out your goal and mitigate risk.
Being an enhanced bodybuilder I realize I dip into the higher risk taking category with my health, but I never want to be ignorant of the red flags along the way. With health monitoring we can do a lot to prevent a catastrophe from striking and saying one day “I don’t know how this stroke, heat attack, kidney failure, etc happened?”
Think of your body as caring for the vehicle you drive. You get in buckle your seat belt, you don’t plan to wreck but its a safety measure. You have a check engine light that tells you to change the oil, low tire pressure, etc. all in place to warn you to change an issue before it really hurts the vehicle. We also have prevention like oil changes and transmission fluid changes. Then a mechanic might say “hey John oil is done, but this air filter is starting to get dirty, time to change it.” All these things keep us on the road and prevent us from wrecking or having a motor failure.
What happens with vehicle maintenance though? Eh I will hold off changing that air filter. Check engine light is on, but the car “feels” okay, no rush there. Oil is past due but I can get another 500 miles out of it. These seem minor, but they add up and take years off the vehicles life or catastrophe strikes early and the motor blows.
You are similar to a car, but have to make your own system to monitor for red flags and this is what I do:
Weekly blood pressure and blood glucose check
Labs and Urinalysis every 10 weeks
Echocardiogram and Coronary Calcium Score annually
These are my safety checks in place. Imagine never checking any health marker. Its like driving a car and never changing the oil or wearing a seat belt, put some black tape over that check engine light we won't need it. Literally only a matter of time before something happens.
A less extreme situation is all to common as well. Meh I am not going to check blood pressure this week it has been good. I will get labs next week I was too busy this week. Echocardiogram I won’t need that till I am a lot older. Sound familiar? All that neglect adds up and it is never a wonder when a bodybuilder ends with heart, kidney or liver issues. The signs are there, but they are ignored or neglected.
Lets bodybuild but keep our health monitoring system in place.
John Jewett MS RD IFBB PRo
This year alone we have a list of deaths from well known bodybuilders. It is extremely sad and very unfortunate. But I do fear that list is only going to increase.
The health impacts from the level of drug use we see used in the 90s and escalating even more so now is only coming to light currently. We won’t see full effects of a lot of this till the guys that compete in their prime are 10-15 years post competing. Sometimes not the case it hits guys while still in their prime.
How much or how little can you get away with before an issue happens is hard to say. The accumulation of lifetime usage is going to impact us all differently. Its the area under the curve of lifetime exposure to supraphysiological doses that is detrimental. High dosages short term, low doses long term or both high dose and long term that area under the curve adds up similarly. I highly promote use as little for as short as possible to see out your goal and mitigate risk.
Being an enhanced bodybuilder I realize I dip into the higher risk taking category with my health, but I never want to be ignorant of the red flags along the way. With health monitoring we can do a lot to prevent a catastrophe from striking and saying one day “I don’t know how this stroke, heat attack, kidney failure, etc happened?”
Think of your body as caring for the vehicle you drive. You get in buckle your seat belt, you don’t plan to wreck but its a safety measure. You have a check engine light that tells you to change the oil, low tire pressure, etc. all in place to warn you to change an issue before it really hurts the vehicle. We also have prevention like oil changes and transmission fluid changes. Then a mechanic might say “hey John oil is done, but this air filter is starting to get dirty, time to change it.” All these things keep us on the road and prevent us from wrecking or having a motor failure.
What happens with vehicle maintenance though? Eh I will hold off changing that air filter. Check engine light is on, but the car “feels” okay, no rush there. Oil is past due but I can get another 500 miles out of it. These seem minor, but they add up and take years off the vehicles life or catastrophe strikes early and the motor blows.
You are similar to a car, but have to make your own system to monitor for red flags and this is what I do:
Weekly blood pressure and blood glucose check
Labs and Urinalysis every 10 weeks
Echocardiogram and Coronary Calcium Score annually
These are my safety checks in place. Imagine never checking any health marker. Its like driving a car and never changing the oil or wearing a seat belt, put some black tape over that check engine light we won't need it. Literally only a matter of time before something happens.
A less extreme situation is all to common as well. Meh I am not going to check blood pressure this week it has been good. I will get labs next week I was too busy this week. Echocardiogram I won’t need that till I am a lot older. Sound familiar? All that neglect adds up and it is never a wonder when a bodybuilder ends with heart, kidney or liver issues. The signs are there, but they are ignored or neglected.
Lets bodybuild but keep our health monitoring system in place.
John Jewett MS RD IFBB PRo
Oh this should be great. Lets hear it. Call me out. "my dealings huh? LOL. Go ahead man the floor is yours. {Ive done my best by everyone in bodybuilding and have always done the right thing by people}...would love to hear what stuff you are going to come forward with. Spotlight is on you...go ahead
Absolutely...[COLOR=var(--primary-text)]Known names died this year and a lot of guys are up in arms of "what is happening lately". I would be willing to bet more bodybuilders died in 2019 (pre covid) than this year including David Dearth, Darryl Stafford, Mariola Suarez, Pit Trenz, Scott Milne, Matt Porter, Novoa Mendez, Al Fortney, Michael Bekoev all of heart problems along with a slew of amateurs who died that year...but people only pay attention to the known names in the sport. This is not a 2021 occurence.[/COLOR]
In 2016 futura sciences put this article out (pre covid) [FONT="]translate it Each year in France, between 1,000 and 1,500 sportsmen, professionals or amateurs, are victims of a sudden death, in particular footballers. The heart attack is often involved. These events could be prevented. [/FONT]https://www.futura-sciences.com/.../sport-tant.../
This isnt new. I am not pro vax or anti vax... i am all for what anyone wants to do. I personally am not vaxxed.....but this stuff in bodybuilding and wrestling has been going on for a long time....its not new.
In 2018 the stateman put this out (pre covid) https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...-sudden-cardiac-death-it-time-start-screening