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Going to try Deca for first time. Cycle critiques/advice much appreciated

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Need some help guys on my first time trying deca. Going to run the cycle in a month/45 days after gathering up the gear.

My goal is to put on some lean tissue steadily and not blow up. This is kind of a trial run. Perhaps deca isn't the best compound for said goals, but if it can be utilized, I would like to.

I am sensitive to water weight retention when I run any test above 500/week and sometimes 500 can cause it. So, I want to avoid water retention or at least keep it minimal.

I have ran cycles in the past of eq, mast, heavy test, etc, but never deca. Not sure why I never have, I just haven't.

I almost never need AI's.

There are many opinions I've read regarding low test/high deca, high test/low deca, high test/high deca, etc. Kinda looking for some guidance.

I am also on trt.

Any advice on what the weekly deca and test dosage should be, given the above? Assuming training and diet are dialed in as well? Also, any other compounds you would suggest I add to the cycle?

And to reiterate.....I do not want to blow up like the state puff marshmallow man.....relatively lean gains is the goal.

This is what I look like now.....going to drop several pounds before the cycle.... try to get rid of some of the pudge.


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I have my guys use deca at 100mgs E4d along side their HRT dose which is also usually 100mgs E4D.

The old school mentality was to always run test far higher. Now there is a new school idea that you run deca higher, or deca solo. I see that all the time.

I actually tried it back in 2001? Before that concept was even a thought and it def still worked.

What I will say is that contrary to popular opinion and studies, I have seen erection issues w many clients on deca. Many of them suffer partial impotence while on. We know it spikes E and P,so is that the issue? I don't know.

I think you run it any way you see fit sir. And just dial it in once you experience the effects to your needs?

But there is some new school idea that deca cannot possibly dare cause sexual issues and that is foolish at best. Any imbalance can. Test can cause erection issues for some.

There is no 10000% scientific protocol or explanation for how someone is going to respond to a drug or medication. We def can rely on "most people respond this way" but that is not the end all and be all of the process. So just consider that deca can cause oily skin, acne, potential sexual issues, prolactin and estrogen increases, etc. as potential sides.

Good luck sir and looking good, nice and thick base going.
 
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Thank you buddy. Hanging around 214pds at 5'10......going to try to get down to 200-205 before the cycle.

And yes, the dreaded deca dick is something I want to avoid very much. Wifey would not be pleased. Maybe start at 200/mg week deca with 250 test and run that for several weeks? Or maybe bump test to 300-350 with the 200 deca? I know that I won't know how it goes till I run it, but I am leaning towards a start low then build up if warranted as opposed to starting high and scaling down.
 
You mentioned hardly ever needing an ai but said that you get water retention. Do you ever just add an ai or bump it up when you start to hold water ?
 
You mentioned hardly ever needing an ai but said that you get water retention. Do you ever just add an ai or bump it up when you start to hold water ?

Well, blood tests, even at peak of cycle, show my estrogen levels in the low to mid range consistently. And I don't get sensitive nipples, etc either....lumps, nothing really. But when I drop test from 500 to 200/week (cycling down) the water drops off.

Should I consider taking an ai during the cycle, even if bloodwork shows estro within range? If it will help, I am 100% on board. I have anastrazole on hand. What daily/weekly amount would you suggest?
 
Thank you buddy. Hanging around 214pds at 5'10......going to try to get down to 200-205 before the cycle.

And yes, the dreaded deca dick is something I want to avoid very much. Wifey would not be pleased. Maybe start at 200/mg week deca with 250 test and run that for several weeks? Or maybe bump test to 300-350 with the 200 deca? I know that I won't know how it goes till I run it, but I am leaning towards a start low then build up if warranted as opposed to starting high and scaling down.
This right here bro- I run it from 2-400 and test @ 5-750. Since u want to keep ur test low, I would keep the deca just a little lower( 3-350 test, 200 deca?) and just go from there. BUT- even if u wanted to run them even, as long as u run some provi, this takes any chance of getting the dreaded DD away FOR ME. Even if I run deca @ 400, as long as I add 50 mgs provi- no problems @ all. And w\o it(provi) I have had problems even running it(deca) low. Just my exp. bro- but the provi is the kicker FOR ME. Good Luck! (Can't believe u've never run it b4- ur in for a treat my man)
 
provi will help w/ the bloat some too bro- or it does w/ me

For sure, I have listened to you preach proviron for some time and am a believer now myself. I have stocked up significantly so I can do 25mg/day when cruising/trt and bump it to 50mg/day during a blast and not worry about reloading for a while. I love the stuff and hearing that it can help keep deca dick at bay makes me feel far more comfortable.

I'm not really sure what amount of lean muscle it would take for me to gain to sacrifice to not be able to get it up for a limited/extended period of time......don't think there is a number, lol...love wrestling with the wifey too much!
 
provi will help w/ the bloat some too bro- or it does w/ me
Test E tends to make people bloat more than Test C, but everyone has differences. I do swear by proviron in helping control the bloat.
 
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400 Test 300 deca for 12-16 weeks. You will get some quality gains and should feel good on this cycle.

400 Test 300 deca for 12-16 weeks. You will get some quality gains and should feel good on this cycle.

I like this one maybe some Proviron and Caber on hand although you may not need it until later. Daily 5mg cialis for BPH prevention. Ghrp6 and cjc1295 help put on some major weight for peptides .

Max
 
Well, blood tests, even at peak of cycle, show my estrogen levels in the low to mid range consistently. And I don't get sensitive nipples, etc either....lumps, nothing really. But when I drop test from 500 to 200/week (cycling down) the water drops off.

Should I consider taking an ai during the cycle, even if bloodwork shows estro within range? If it will help, I am 100% on board. I have anastrazole on hand. What daily/weekly amount would you suggest?
I wasn’t sure if you had bloods before or not . If e2 is within range probably best to just keep it like it is . There are so many other things that could be doing it .
 
I'd recommend 300 of Deca wk..bump up the cardio to control water bloat..It comes on nice around wk 4 to 5 with a nice gain of strength and size..and the joint relief is great..
 
I like this one maybe some Proviron and Caber on hand although you may not need it until later. Daily 5mg cialis for BPH prevention. Ghrp6 and cjc1295 help put on some major weight for peptides .

Max

I'm liking it as well.
Would you advise spacing the deca pins out (150 twice per wk) or one single 300ml injection per week?
 
For sure, I have listened to you preach proviron for some time and am a believer now myself. I have stocked up significantly so I can do 25mg/day when cruising/trt and bump it to 50mg/day during a blast and not worry about reloading for a while. I love the stuff and hearing that it can help keep deca dick at bay makes me feel far more comfortable.

I'm not really sure what amount of lean muscle it would take for me to gain to sacrifice to not be able to get it up for a limited/extended period of time......don't think there is a number, lol...love wrestling with the wifey too much!
Preach is the perfect word bud- it's actually the one THING I buy the wifey doesn't bitch about too much(she's actually pretty fair about it all really)BUT- I still haven't done what I refer to as the Max experiment. Trying 100mgs ed of provi for about 4 weeks and really get the "perf enh." part of it- now that I would like to try- and will one day. (saw a deal on it- 10 bottles of 50- 25mg for 350.00) That's almost half price of my current deal and plenty for the Max exp.- very tempting. Then have to decide what goes w/it- decisions,decisions-lol (just saw ur question about pinning- def split like 150 mon/thurs imo)
 
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I'm liking it as well.
Would you advise spacing the deca pins out (150 twice per wk) or one single 300ml injection per week?
After two weeks, once is fine, yet I still split twice weekly if using more than 300. The deca will stays active for the week.
Preach is the perfect word bud- it's actually the one THING I buy the wifey doesn't bitch about too much(she's actually pretty fair about it all really)BUT- I still haven't done what I refer to as the Max experiment. Trying 100mgs ed of provi for about 4 weeks and really get the "perf enh." part of it- now that I would like to try- and will one day. (saw a deal on it- 10 bottles of 50- 25mg for 350.00) That's almost half price of my current deal and plenty for the Max exp.- very tempting. Then have to decide what goes w/it- decisions,decisions-lol (just saw ur question about pinning- def split like 150 mon/thurs imo)
You need to give it a go. You will get the results and outcome desired. Wait until you see the upcoming experiments. Very exciting . We shall find out how well some of these peptides work in conjunction with AAS/gh. It is well planned out for 24/7 growth/anabolism. I can say the peptides : cjc1295 , peg-mgf, igf1 lr3&DES, ghrp’s will be used in short bursts & combinations/long slin . All while using lower total mg aas, but higher testosterone to potentiate the gh & igf1 output exogenously & endogenously. Very excited

Max
 
I am a huge fan of low dose cycles man. I personally wouldn’t run the deca over 400mg. You might want to consider using some form of AI. Nandrolone in the presence of excess estrogen is what causes prolactin spikes. Even guys who normally don’t use AI can find themselves battling estrogen issues. It seems that nandrolone can make the body more sensitive to the presence of estrogen. This is prob due to it being derived from progesterone. If you find yourself having ED issues. I find that mast solves that wonderfully. Keep in mind that the 5a enzyme is whats responsible for converting androgens to even more potent androgens; except deca. It converts deca to an even less androgenic compound than before. Anything that needs to be converted is going to battling with nandrolone for the 5a enzyme. That’s why I recommend mast it’s already reduced.

Have fun and be safe brother.
 
For you I’d say 500 Test 300 Deca. I prefer Test higher, always helped my libido. Test/Deca/Anadrol has and will always be my favorite cycle to run. But Deca and Anadrol will cause water retention. T-bol would be a better choice for you if you wanted to add something.
 
What are the benefits with running deca at low dose with trt? Is it just for joint health? Or is it more to it then that? Do you ever see H&H increase with such a low dose? Deca dick scares me, not sure if that’s a problem with such a low dose with running trt..

I have my guys use deca at 100mgs E4d along side their HRT dose which is also usually 100mgs E4D.

The old school mentality was to always run test far higher. Now there is a new school idea that you run deca higher, or deca solo. I see that all the time.

I actually tried it back in 2001? Before that concept was even a thought and it def still worked.

What I will say is that contrary to popular opinion and studies, I have seen erection issues w many clients on deca. Many of them suffer partial impotence while on. We know it spikes E and P,so is that the issue? I don't know.

I think you run it any way you see fit sir. And just dial it in once you experience the effects to your needs?

But there is some new school idea that deca cannot possibly dare cause sexual issues and that is foolish at best. Any imbalance can. Test can cause erection issues for some.

There is no 10000% scientific protocol or explanation for how someone is going to respond to a drug or medication. We def can rely on "most people respond this way" but that is not the end all and be all of the process. So just consider that deca can cause oily skin, acne, potential sexual issues, prolactin and estrogen increases, etc. as potential sides.

Good luck sir and looking good, nice and thick base going.
 
What are the benefits with running deca at low dose with trt? Is it just for joint health? Or is it more to it then that? Do you ever see H&H increase with such a low dose? Deca dick scares me, not sure if that’s a problem with such a low dose with running trt..

It is prescribed to men on TRT to help lower pain in males with past pain issues ie. arthritis/joints issues, old injuries. It works too but it also is quite anabolic and if a person takes advantage; it helps further protein synthesis also. 50-100mg per wk (usually 100mg)

Max
 
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It is prescribed to men on TRT to help lower pain in males with past pain issues ie. arthritis/joints issues, old injuries. It works too but it also is quite anabolic and if a person takes advantage; it helps further protein synthesis also. 50-100mg per wk (usually 100mg)

Max

thank you for explaining!
 
Two years agoo I was running cycle TestE 500, Deca 500, TBol, Proviron, Caber, AI as support. Gained almost 20 lbs but also water, a bit of bloat and lost definition. No issues on libido, no sides except few acne, sometimes night sweats. Deca is great for mass but it aromatize as Test too, so two compounds that definetly can raise estrogen, AI shoud be included. Did blood test and e2 was in upper normal range.
Dont see the reason to get Deca lower or higher then Test, why not the same? 300/300, 400/400, 500/500, do blood work and adjust AI.
 
400 Test 300 deca for 12-16 weeks. You will get some quality gains and should feel good on this cycle.
And you are at a great starting point physically. I wish everyone started juicingwhen they look about how you look now.
If you keep your diet right but with enough calories, you should see significant changes in your size and look.

Don’t get wrapped up in this whole deca dick/prolactin thing. Not everyone gets hit by this. Do you bloods and stay on top of it. Correct only if necessary.
 
I like test/deca/mast. 200 - 400 each. Mast helps with libido and blocks some of the E2 receptors by binding to them.
 
Now don't forget the Dbol,if you're going for size..
The Test/Deca/Dbol combo is one of the best cycles out there..

Like I mentioned before..I use cardio and watch What I eat to keep bloat down..
But I would wait to start the Dbol until the Deca is in full swing..

Test around 500..Deca at 300 and 25mgs of Dbol in the AM is on the light end,But very effective..If all goes well and you wanted to bump anything..The Test for sure..maybe the Dbol..but I'd leave the Deca at 300..

Enjoy..and let us know how it works out for you..
 
I like test/deca/mast. 200 - 400 each. Mast helps with libido and blocks some of the E2 receptors by binding to them.

Do you like to keep the weekly dosages the same for all throughout the cycle for the test/deca/mast?
Or do you heavy front-load then taper into plateau? Or start low and scale up?
Looking for any last bit of granular details to help maximize the run. Thanks!
 
I like long ester cycles...but,however,adding some fast esters at mid cycle or any plateau,work's nicely..ie.NPP... Sustanon..or some orals..Dbol..SD..
 
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