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    Going to try Deca for first time. Cycle critiques/advice much appreciated

    Need some help guys on my first time trying deca. Going to run the cycle in a month/45 days after gathering up the gear.

    My goal is to put on some lean tissue steadily and not blow up. This is kind of a trial run. Perhaps deca isn't the best compound for said goals, but if it can be utilized, I would like to.

    I am sensitive to water weight retention when I run any test above 500/week and sometimes 500 can cause it. So, I want to avoid water retention or at least keep it minimal.

    I have ran cycles in the past of eq, mast, heavy test, etc, but never deca. Not sure why I never have, I just haven't.

    I almost never need AI's.

    There are many opinions I've read regarding low test/high deca, high test/low deca, high test/high deca, etc. Kinda looking for some guidance.

    I am also on trt.

    Any advice on what the weekly deca and test dosage should be, given the above? Assuming training and diet are dialed in as well? Also, any other compounds you would suggest I add to the cycle?

    And to reiterate.....I do not want to blow up like the state puff marshmallow man.....relatively lean gains is the goal.

    This is what I look like now.....going to drop several pounds before the cycle.... try to get rid of some of the pudge.


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    I have my guys use deca at 100mgs E4d along side their HRT dose which is also usually 100mgs E4D.

    The old school mentality was to always run test far higher. Now there is a new school idea that you run deca higher, or deca solo. I see that all the time.

    I actually tried it back in 2001? Before that concept was even a thought and it def still worked.

    What I will say is that contrary to popular opinion and studies, I have seen erection issues w many clients on deca. Many of them suffer partial impotence while on. We know it spikes E and P,so is that the issue? I don't know.

    I think you run it any way you see fit sir. And just dial it in once you experience the effects to your needs?

    But there is some new school idea that deca cannot possibly dare cause sexual issues and that is foolish at best. Any imbalance can. Test can cause erection issues for some.

    There is no 10000% scientific protocol or explanation for how someone is going to respond to a drug or medication. We def can rely on "most people respond this way" but that is not the end all and be all of the process. So just consider that deca can cause oily skin, acne, potential sexual issues, prolactin and estrogen increases, etc. as potential sides.

    Good luck sir and looking good, nice and thick base going.
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    Thank you buddy. Hanging around 214pds at 5'10......going to try to get down to 200-205 before the cycle.

    And yes, the dreaded deca dick is something I want to avoid very much. Wifey would not be pleased. Maybe start at 200/mg week deca with 250 test and run that for several weeks? Or maybe bump test to 300-350 with the 200 deca? I know that I won't know how it goes till I run it, but I am leaning towards a start low then build up if warranted as opposed to starting high and scaling down.

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    You mentioned hardly ever needing an ai but said that you get water retention. Do you ever just add an ai or bump it up when you start to hold water ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank zazz View Post
    You mentioned hardly ever needing an ai but said that you get water retention. Do you ever just add an ai or bump it up when you start to hold water ?
    Well, blood tests, even at peak of cycle, show my estrogen levels in the low to mid range consistently. And I don't get sensitive nipples, etc either....lumps, nothing really. But when I drop test from 500 to 200/week (cycling down) the water drops off.

    Should I consider taking an ai during the cycle, even if bloodwork shows estro within range? If it will help, I am 100% on board. I have anastrazole on hand. What daily/weekly amount would you suggest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiantt View Post
    Thank you buddy. Hanging around 214pds at 5'10......going to try to get down to 200-205 before the cycle.

    And yes, the dreaded deca dick is something I want to avoid very much. Wifey would not be pleased. Maybe start at 200/mg week deca with 250 test and run that for several weeks? Or maybe bump test to 300-350 with the 200 deca? I know that I won't know how it goes till I run it, but I am leaning towards a start low then build up if warranted as opposed to starting high and scaling down.
    This right here bro- I run it from 2-400 and test @ 5-750. Since u want to keep ur test low, I would keep the deca just a little lower( 3-350 test, 200 deca?) and just go from there. BUT- even if u wanted to run them even, as long as u run some provi, this takes any chance of getting the dreaded DD away FOR ME. Even if I run deca @ 400, as long as I add 50 mgs provi- no problems @ all. And w\o it(provi) I have had problems even running it(deca) low. Just my exp. bro- but the provi is the kicker FOR ME. Good Luck! (Can't believe u've never run it b4- ur in for a treat my man)

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    provi will help w/ the bloat some too bro- or it does w/ me

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    Quote Originally Posted by hot rod View Post
    provi will help w/ the bloat some too bro- or it does w/ me
    For sure, I have listened to you preach proviron for some time and am a believer now myself. I have stocked up significantly so I can do 25mg/day when cruising/trt and bump it to 50mg/day during a blast and not worry about reloading for a while. I love the stuff and hearing that it can help keep deca dick at bay makes me feel far more comfortable.

    I'm not really sure what amount of lean muscle it would take for me to gain to sacrifice to not be able to get it up for a limited/extended period of time......don't think there is a number, lol...love wrestling with the wifey too much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hot rod View Post
    provi will help w/ the bloat some too bro- or it does w/ me
    Test E tends to make people bloat more than Test C, but everyone has differences. I do swear by proviron in helping control the bloat.
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    400 Test 300 deca for 12-16 weeks. You will get some quality gains and should feel good on this cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wardamn View Post
    400 Test 300 deca for 12-16 weeks. You will get some quality gains and should feel good on this cycle.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wardamn View Post
    400 Test 300 deca for 12-16 weeks. You will get some quality gains and should feel good on this cycle.
    I like this one maybe some Proviron and Caber on hand although you may not need it until later. Daily 5mg cialis for BPH prevention. Ghrp6 and cjc1295 help put on some major weight for peptides .

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiantt View Post
    Well, blood tests, even at peak of cycle, show my estrogen levels in the low to mid range consistently. And I don't get sensitive nipples, etc either....lumps, nothing really. But when I drop test from 500 to 200/week (cycling down) the water drops off.

    Should I consider taking an ai during the cycle, even if bloodwork shows estro within range? If it will help, I am 100% on board. I have anastrazole on hand. What daily/weekly amount would you suggest?
    I wasn’t sure if you had bloods before or not . If e2 is within range probably best to just keep it like it is . There are so many other things that could be doing it .
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    I'd recommend 300 of Deca wk..bump up the cardio to control water bloat..It comes on nice around wk 4 to 5 with a nice gain of strength and size..and the joint relief is great..

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxmuscle1 View Post
    I like this one maybe some Proviron and Caber on hand although you may not need it until later. Daily 5mg cialis for BPH prevention. Ghrp6 and cjc1295 help put on some major weight for peptides .

    Max
    I'm liking it as well.
    Would you advise spacing the deca pins out (150 twice per wk) or one single 300ml injection per week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiantt View Post
    For sure, I have listened to you preach proviron for some time and am a believer now myself. I have stocked up significantly so I can do 25mg/day when cruising/trt and bump it to 50mg/day during a blast and not worry about reloading for a while. I love the stuff and hearing that it can help keep deca dick at bay makes me feel far more comfortable.

    I'm not really sure what amount of lean muscle it would take for me to gain to sacrifice to not be able to get it up for a limited/extended period of time......don't think there is a number, lol...love wrestling with the wifey too much!
    Preach is the perfect word bud- it's actually the one THING I buy the wifey doesn't bitch about too much(she's actually pretty fair about it all really)BUT- I still haven't done what I refer to as the Max experiment. Trying 100mgs ed of provi for about 4 weeks and really get the "perf enh." part of it- now that I would like to try- and will one day. (saw a deal on it- 10 bottles of 50- 25mg for 350.00) That's almost half price of my current deal and plenty for the Max exp.- very tempting. Then have to decide what goes w/it- decisions,decisions-lol (just saw ur question about pinning- def split like 150 mon/thurs imo)
    Last edited by hot rod; 09-09-2021 at 10:56 AM.

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