First cycle 44 male , crazy fatigue like lactic acid building rapidly?

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    This situation is exactly why you should never add more than one new compound at a time..when things go sideways on several compounds are at use..which one is causing it..???

    Not me Brother..you need to know what Test does before throwing in something else..that I want it now complex will bite you right in the balls..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    6'2 240lbs 20%bf
    600mg test e weekly
    50mg var daily
    140mg clen (have ran clen multiple times no issues ) 2 weeks on 2 off.
    5 weeks in on test 4 weeks in on var. I have noticeable fat loss and muscle gain. Added 40lbs to bench already.

    Here is problem last week-week an half I have had crazy muscles burn/fatigue come on rapidly. Lactic acid burn is best way I can describe it. I can hold my 20lbs 1 yr daughter in my arm and my bicep will start to burn in like the first 2mins or less.

    Take:
    Huge Nutrition Defend
    1g taurine
    2g magnesium glycinate
    DIM
    Zinc complex ZDC
    Liposomal D3-K2
    400mg potassium
    Calcium 333mg
    B complex
    Fish flax borage
    Cla
    Liquid green multi

    Diet
    Overnight oats with 2%milk and protein powder
    Boiled chicken Jasmine rice broc (lunch &dinner)
    3-4 protein shakes daily.

    Any idea what's going in with the muscle burn?
    I hate to be that guy, but I'll be that guy. You're 44years OLD.......why?
    Take some advise from a guy that almost died from later in life juicing. Really access what you are trying to accomplish. I'd ditch the clen, you no longer have a 20 year old heart and have a 1yr old daughter.
    Good diet, more cardio, 300mg/wk test MAX and NO Var, will get you the same results.

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    Tommy...I call Bull Shit
    You have always liked being that guy...so much..infact
    They should change it..from that guy

    To say..I don't want to be TG...but I think I have too..
    Nice to have you back in full swing Brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zionoir626 View Post
    Tommy...I call Bull Shit
    You have always liked being that guy...so much..infact
    They should change it..from that guy

    To say..I don't want to be TG...but I think I have too..
    Nice to have you back in full swing Brother.
    Itís a dirty job but someoneís gotta do it lol.

    I just want to see guys enjoy their experience but always have their safety on the front burner. For a first cycle 600mg of test is enough to manage. Iím gathering from the OP that heís trying to put on muscle and lose fat (20% bf) and thatís hard for even an experienced user to do. I know the test only cycle sounds boring but the best shape I ever got into was on 300mg test, a solid diet and more cardio than I cared for. You can always throw another compound in at week 8 to break the homeostasis plateau. Straight out of the gate with a stack for the first cycle isnít a good plan. Trust me, Iíve fucked up enough cycles doing too much myself and Iíve been doing this for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommygunz View Post
    Itís a dirty job but someoneís gotta do it lol.

    I just want to see guys enjoy their experience but always have their safety on the front burner. For a first cycle 600mg of test is enough to manage. Iím gathering from the OP that heís trying to put on muscle and lose fat (20% bf) and thatís hard for even an experienced user to do. I know the test only cycle sounds boring but the best shape I ever got into was on 300mg test, a solid diet and more cardio than I cared for. You can always throw another compound in at week 8 to break the homeostasis plateau. Straight out of the gate with a stack for the first cycle isnít a good plan. Trust me, Iíve fucked up enough cycles doing too much myself and Iíve been doing this for a long time.

    I agree, drop the clen and the Var
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    Quote Originally Posted by tommygunz View Post
    I hate to be that guy, but I'll be that guy. You're 44years OLD.......why?
    Take some advise from a guy that almost died from later in life juicing. Really access what you are trying to accomplish. I'd ditch the clen, you no longer have a 20 year old heart and have a 1yr old daughter.
    Good diet, more cardio, 300mg/wk test MAX and NO Var, will get you the same results.
    Tommygunz - 100mg a week here for months now and feel much better.

    How are you doing?

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    Got labs.
    Dropped clen
    Dropped var
    No improvement

    Pic/file won't load.
    Chol 127
    Tri 90
    Hdl 26
    Ldl 92
    Glucose 93
    Urea nitrogen 25
    Creatinine 1.11
    Sodium 137
    Potassium 4.2
    Chloride 103

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    Quote Originally Posted by malfeasance View Post
    Tommygunz - 100mg a week here for months now and feel much better.

    How are you doing?
    Good to hear from you again.
    I'm holding my own. Have some vein issues in my right leg, two vein ablations, might be another one soon.
    Lower dosing is all I can do anymore, but overall I feel ok. Thanks for asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    Got labs.
    Dropped clen
    Dropped var
    No improvement

    Pic/file won't load.
    Chol 127
    Tri 90
    Hdl 26
    Ldl 92
    Glucose 93
    Urea nitrogen 25
    Creatinine 1.11
    Sodium 137
    Potassium 4.2
    Chloride 103
    Forgot to ask brother. Is it in both arms?

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    Yes both arms.

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    You have this happening in any other muscle group or just bis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    Got labs.
    Dropped clen
    Dropped var
    No improvement

    Pic/file won't load.
    Chol 127
    Tri 90
    Hdl 26
    Ldl 92
    Glucose 93
    Urea nitrogen 25
    Creatinine 1.11
    Sodium 137
    Potassium 4.2
    Chloride 103
    All normal. The hdl could be higher (cardiac risk lowering). Do you have more??

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    All muscle groups

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    Sorry, I missed your reply.
    If you are having this systemically itís likely your problem is unrelated to gear use. Iíd talk to a doctor, they can test for conditions such as lactic acidosis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyPump77 View Post
    Go get bloods.... will help diag this issue. High/low potassium and Sodium can cause these issues. Remember your body holds more water when on the sizzle. Without proper salinity you can experience effects such as these. I get them as well.... Mine is due to high potassium/dehydration typically. Yes it is exactly as you describe. I also have liver function issues which does not help. Which is why you need bloods...
    I agree with this.

    Combo of the clen, dehydration potentionally magnesium/sodium/potassium imbalances

    Potentially creatinine levels (increased by dehydration)

    And potentially stressed Liver and Kidneys.

    OP if the basic labs come back normal, try adding in a teaspoon to a tablespoon of pink himalayan salt 2x a day with meals

    Jack up your water intake dramatically

    And for the first few days go buy some pedialytes and sip those during the day, or buy the Banana Bag Electrolyte bags and sip them during the day

    Don't chug electrolytes, that is not the idea

    Also do you have diarrhea or any Intestinal issues? That is another clue to get rolling on this issue

    Should be a relatively easy fix imo.

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