First cycle 44 male , crazy fatigue like lactic acid building rapidly?

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    First cycle 44 male , crazy fatigue like lactic acid building rapidly?

    6'2 240lbs 20%bf
    600mg test e weekly
    50mg var daily
    140mg clen (have ran clen multiple times no issues ) 2 weeks on 2 off.
    5 weeks in on test 4 weeks in on var. I have noticeable fat loss and muscle gain. Added 40lbs to bench already.

    Here is problem last week-week an half I have had crazy muscles burn/fatigue come on rapidly. Lactic acid burn is best way I can describe it. I can hold my 20lbs 1 yr daughter in my arm and my bicep will start to burn in like the first 2mins or less.

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    Huge Nutrition Defend
    1g taurine
    2g magnesium glycinate
    DIM
    Zinc complex ZDC
    Liposomal D3-K2
    400mg potassium
    Calcium 333mg
    B complex
    Fish flax borage
    Cla
    Liquid green multi

    Diet
    Overnight oats with 2%milk and protein powder
    Boiled chicken Jasmine rice broc (lunch &dinner)
    3-4 protein shakes daily.

    Any idea what's going in with the muscle burn?

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    Start to burn or tighten up?

    Could be the taurine is not working???

    Maybe up the dose of taurine or reduce amount of anavar you are using.

    Maybe drop the var completely.

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    Definitely burn. Not tighting or cramping. Will try to double taurine and see. Will drop var to half if double taurine doesn't work and if halving var doesn't work Will sadly drop it completely.

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    Tristan, I have this burning feeling but I know for me its arthritis ris in the joints right now. Iím waiting on my gear and know that when I start to run Deca, it will go buy buy. For you I canít say whatís up other than after this first cycle and you figure out how gear works for you and what sides if any you have, then maybe cycle two or three Deca would be the choice. I would guess at your age youíll be on test for the rest of your days. There are great bunch of guys here and Iím sure youíll get the answers or more questions or both! Welcome!

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    Go get bloods.... will help diag this issue. High/low potassium and Sodium can cause these issues. Remember your body holds more water when on the sizzle. Without proper salinity you can experience effects such as these. I get them as well.... Mine is due to high potassium/dehydration typically. Yes it is exactly as you describe. I also have liver function issues which does not help. Which is why you need bloods...

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    If it's a hydration problem..I have to say that Wes sent me a care package with banana boat packets for dehydration..Best I've ever used,a very nice solution to a very common problem..Check it out..!

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    Appreciate the feedback. Will call VA in the morning for labs. And will increase hydration and add in hydration multiplier (banana bag, liquid iv, or similar)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    Appreciate the feedback. Will call VA in the morning for labs. And will increase hydration and add in hydration multiplier (banana bag, liquid iv, or similar)

    Good, but to be clear is not always dehydration, sometimes it is too much water stored in muscle and not enough ions for them... ions are controlled by salinity... basically the perfusion process of the body... not enough sodium/potassium and calcium or too much can be the issue. ions are basically positive charge/negative charge...

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    Clen causes cramping and your running a high dose. The highest recommended dose of clen is 120mcg
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    There he is REHH...
    Back in the mix..

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    20% body fat is pretty high to be starting a cycle. Should have lowered that first and had a good routine with diet and cardio. Your diet does not look right, Oatmeal, Chicken and Rice and 4 shakes? And wheres the cardio?

    And for a first cycle Test only. Didnít need to add any orals. Do you have an AI on hand?

    As Rehh said Clen does cause cramping so that could be your problem.

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    arimidex on hand
    Nova and clomid on hand
    Average calories is around 2300 with 40%protein 30-35%fat 30-35%carbs
    I throw in tuna and salmon packages throughout the day to help hit protein goal.

    Not the clen. I have had the clen muscle cramps before this is not cramps its burn.

    Cardio I run/walk/or ruck 3-4 times a week.
    Average 10k

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    I will take then clen down to 120

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    arimidex on hand
    Nova and clomid on hand
    Average calories is around 2300 with 40%protein 30-35%fat 30-35%carbs
    I throw in tuna and salmon packages throughout the day to help hit protein goal.

    Not the clen. I have had the clen muscle cramps before this is not cramps its burn.

    Cardio I run/walk/or ruck 3-4 times a week.
    Average 10k

    Like I said I know EXACTLY what you are describing. This is not something that happens to a lot of people. When I tried explaining it to anybody they were like "wtf?"... the muscle burns and stops and gets weak in a snap of the fingers. It is like lactic acid build up within a few seconds of exercise, which should not happen... I agree by what you are explaining it is not clen. I have ran clen and had those cramps, very different...but you are running a very high dose and agree with REHH and others drop it down... I was able to use 10mg to 20mg per day, but of course your biology may very
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    Rather than throwing something else in, I'd recommend identifying the exact culprit. Even if it means dropping the clen that you've used before. Just because you've never had problems before, doesn't mean you won't this time. The older you get, the more often that becomes true. I wouldn't even bother lowering the dose. Just drop it and see if things improve. Then you know what you're dealing with. If things still don't improve, drop the var.

    Are you doing a lot of high rep workouts?

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