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    Dealing with this as an outsider my observation has been meds make a big fucking difference. Especially to the people that love you when the know youíre getting better. Campral/naltrexone/bupropion combo saves lives IMO.

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    Put down the bat and stop beating yourself up. Maybe pray. Itís worked for me so far. Iíve not had a drink other than communion wine in over two years. Stay strong, friend.

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    I nearly had the surgery done BUT was finding that my upper back is causing maybe 50% of the problem..that upper back getting out of place or just tight was putting my neck in a bad angle or position and aggregating the nerve..So surgery won't resolve it all..

    I'm going thru the same thing both sides..I wake up my hands are ice cold..forarms hurt..numbness..
    Traction has really helped my hands and I'm looking at a some what cheap home device to use while watching TV or lying in bed..

    Pain Management(if you want to call them that)put me on Lyrica... poison...I hate pain meds..but there really isn't much Dr.s will do between epidurals and surgery..I hate the knife,crappy odds of Full recovery and that Halo...

    After 8 months of various treatment options by my PT family I'm doing So much better...PT does take time but less evasive,..
    Between...dry needles,tens with ultra sound,traction,NSAI creams,proper strengthening and REST..I am not in pain every hr of every day..So if you haven't tried some of these..Thats where I would point you to...I hope you get some relief..It truly sucks..and I know 1st hand..

    if I can help in any way..just pm me...More than happy to help a brother in pain...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zionoir626 View Post
    I nearly had the surgery done BUT was finding that my upper back is causing maybe 50% of the problem..that upper back getting out of place or just tight was putting my neck in a bad angle or position and aggregating the nerve..So surgery won't resolve it all..

    I'm going thru the same thing both sides..I wake up my hands are ice cold..forarms hurt..numbness..
    Traction has really helped my hands and I'm looking at a some what cheap home device to use while watching TV or lying in bed..

    Pain Management(if you want to call them that)put me on Lyrica... poison...I hate pain meds..but there really isn't much Dr.s will do between epidurals and surgery..I hate the knife,crappy odds of Full recovery and that Halo...

    After 8 months of various treatment options by my PT family I'm doing So much better...PT does take time but less evasive,..
    Between...dry needles,tens with ultra sound,traction,NSAI creams,proper strengthening and REST..I am not in pain every hr of every day..So if you haven't tried some of these..Thats where I would point you to...I hope you get some relief..It truly sucks..and I know 1st hand..

    if I can help in any way..just pm me...More than happy to help a brother in pain...
    This is a cheap way to do traction at home...give it a try.

    They also sell cheap units that you can do sitting in a chair using a weighted water bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zionoir626 View Post
    I nearly had the surgery done BUT was finding that my upper back is causing maybe 50% of the problem..that upper back getting out of place or just tight was putting my neck in a bad angle or position and aggregating the nerve..So surgery won't resolve it all..

    I'm going thru the same thing both sides..I wake up my hands are ice cold..forarms hurt..numbness..
    Traction has really helped my hands and I'm looking at a some what cheap home device to use while watching TV or lying in bed..

    Pain Management(if you want to call them that)put me on Lyrica... poison...I hate pain meds..but there really isn't much Dr.s will do between epidurals and surgery..I hate the knife,crappy odds of Full recovery and that Halo...

    After 8 months of various treatment options by my PT family I'm doing So much better...PT does take time but less evasive,..
    Between...dry needles,tens with ultra sound,traction,NSAI creams,proper strengthening and REST..I am not in pain every hr of every day..So if you haven't tried some of these..Thats where I would point you to...I hope you get some relief..It truly sucks..and I know 1st hand..

    if I can help in any way..just pm me...More than happy to help a brother in pain...
    Appreciate all the post and Information Zion!. You have been very helpful throughout this thread! I deal with Pain Management patients a lot, obviously. I am usually the last choice for a new patient; I get them after they have been through addiction, medical treatments, injections, surgery, physio. It has taught me so much about ďHow to Avoid PitfallsĒ if I get injured or have an accident. Also, seeing family members go down the rabbit hole! I spend a lot of money on my anti-inflammatory & joint diet, supps, PEDís; but I look at it as Preventative Care. My #1 tool is my Brain ! So I make sure to take care of it. I have not used any NSAIDS or Tylenol (besides the aspirin in ECA stack) for 2-4 weeks, a few times) since I was a child. My top 3 supps for overall pain: Black Seed Oil/Circumin-MSM-SAMe. I use a lot more stuff but if I could only pick 3 , it is them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironpaco View Post
    I was sober since Jan 20 and this month I relapsed hard. Like really hard . I embarrassed myself and everyone I loved . Now I know I canít drink alcohol . I was doing real good working out and then bang I just relapsed
    I dont understand you guys who beat yourself up over alcohol relapsing. Sure, any addiction is bad, but in my view you basically just had yourself a little too much of a fun time - and thats hardly anything worth making yourself feel bad about.. we all make mistakes.

    If this post were something like a heroin relapse, or any hard opiate/stimulant addict struggling to get clean, I would be much more concerned. Drugs like that are such a strain on your body and mind. Its nothing like alcohol where youll be fine a day later, or be willing to clear out your bank account just to feel "normal".

    So, in my mind I view you as a pretty decent guy who just made a small error. You didn't hurt anyone nor have you cause any substantial harm to yourself. Best of all, you're drug of choice is something that most likely is NOT going to easily destroy your life and ruin your relationships like the opiates i mentioned above. You're doing fine, keep getting stronger, and dont put yourself down over something like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by money2blow View Post
    I dont understand you guys who beat yourself up over alcohol relapsing. Sure, any addiction is bad, but in my view you basically just had yourself a little too much of a fun time - and thats hardly anything worth making yourself feel bad about.. we all make mistakes.

    If this post were something like a heroin relapse, or any hard opiate/stimulant addict struggling to get clean, I would be much more concerned. Drugs like that are such a strain on your body and mind. Its nothing like alcohol where youll be fine a day later, or be willing to clear out your bank account just to feel "normal".

    So, in my mind I view you as a pretty decent guy who just made a small error. You didn't hurt anyone nor have you cause any substantial harm to yourself. Best of all, you're drug of choice is something that most likely is NOT going to easily destroy your life and ruin your relationships like the opiates i mentioned above. You're doing fine, keep getting stronger, and dont put yourself down over something like this.
    I think when you know alcohol is destructive in you life, and you try to abstain but find you canít... itís something you beat yourself up about.

    Lacking control or being a slave to a substance abuse ultimately hurts you and the ones you love.

    It doesnít bring out your best self. Even when you think your just having too much ďfun.Ē

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    2.5 years sober here.

    PS. Sobriety is AMAZING. If you truly are an alcoholic, breaking free is like escaping from a self imposed prison.

    I'm one of those guys that needs AA meetings and finds them helpful. Some folks don't, I do. Its easier to count the years than it is the days.

    Happy to talk on the side if you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by money2blow View Post
    I dont understand you guys who beat yourself up over alcohol relapsing. Sure, any addiction is bad, but in my view you basically just had yourself a little too much of a fun time - and thats hardly anything worth making yourself feel bad about.. we all make mistakes.

    If this post were something like a heroin relapse, or any hard opiate/stimulant addict struggling to get clean, I would be much more concerned. Drugs like that are such a strain on your body and mind. Its nothing like alcohol where youll be fine a day later, or be willing to clear out your bank account just to feel "normal".

    So, in my mind I view you as a pretty decent guy who just made a small error. You didn't hurt anyone nor have you cause any substantial harm to yourself. Best of all, you're drug of choice is something that most likely is NOT going to easily destroy your life and ruin your relationships like the opiates i mentioned above. You're doing fine, keep getting stronger, and dont put yourself down over something like this.
    Your obviously not an alcoholic lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Your obviously not an alcoholic lol.
    A drug is a drug is a drug...if you don't get that...GOOD...if you do
    You either have been directly affected or indirectly..

    I don't care if it's cigarettes,candy or meth...addiction is the inability to stop and a slave to something..by definition alone is understandable..I deal with people daily that just don't get it...My favorite..."just stop"

    Problem with alcohol is it's ability to really cause harm to others 1st...Drunk drivers kill..
    And alcohol tends to lead to more harsh compounds.. don't believe alcohol doesn't hurt you..
    Ever seen someone that drinks everyday for20+ yrs...??..their insides are toast..

    I don't agree with beating yourself up...other people will do that for you..
    However the worse the problem the more aggressive the treatment..and all to often it's beyond that person or their family to correct..

    This country has a real problem with addiction..its almost like an under-world..but what I've seen lately scares the Hell out of Me...
    People once using crack..now shooting meth And heroine...I can tell you this from being the one doing it...
    When you start banging,you're in deep..get help immediately..if someone in your family is doing it...do whatever it takes to get between them and that poison...Before it's too Late..

    BTW...thanks Max.. I am sure I've learned more from you in the last few yrs. that you/me....
    I've been to several rehabs..lost more than I wish to remember.. destroyed many great relationships..Burnt yrs I can never get back..did some time in a real shithole...but there ..in the dark..all alone..a voice I didn't recognize..called out..

    That day change me from inside out...was it God..??? Was it Me..??
    It no longer mattered who only why..whoever spoke had Enough...

    If you are fighting this Battle..get help somewhere..start living again instead of dying...Please

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    Relapse is part of the recovery process. You cannot change what occurred, just think about what triggers may have led to the relapse. Generally these triggers involve people, places, and things. Anyway, no judgement here, not labeling you or diagnosing you, I just wish the best for you. I've been through the wringer with addictions, trust me, if you need to talk, DM me.
    Oh, and one last thing, feeling guilty and ashamed is not the same as feeling remorseful and a little embarrassed. I fon't know your relationship with those who were around you, but if you beat down on yourself too hard, you're more likely to end up relapsing again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by money2blow View Post
    I dont understand you guys who beat yourself up over alcohol relapsing. Sure, any addiction is bad, but in my view you basically just had yourself a little too much of a fun time - and thats hardly anything worth making yourself feel bad about.. we all make mistakes.

    If this post were something like a heroin relapse, or any hard opiate/stimulant addict struggling to get clean, I would be much more concerned. Drugs like that are such a strain on your body and mind. Its nothing like alcohol where youll be fine a day later, or be willing to clear out your bank account just to feel "normal".

    So, in my mind I view you as a pretty decent guy who just made a small error. You didn't hurt anyone nor have you cause any substantial harm to yourself. Best of all, you're drug of choice is something that most likely is NOT going to easily destroy your life and ruin your relationships like the opiates i mentioned above. You're doing fine, keep getting stronger, and dont put yourself down over something like this.
    itís the inability to stop once you start thatís the real kicker. And alcohol absolutely ruins lives, relationships etc.... alcohol is a sneaky little bitch and eventually it bites you.

    then youíll get it man.

    either you live with it or you find a way to get it out of your way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lathe Crasher View Post
    Dealing with this as an outsider my observation has been meds make a big fucking difference. Especially to the people that love you when the know youíre getting better. Campral/naltrexone/bupropion combo saves lives IMO.
    I read an article about naltrexone... I think thatís the one that blocks the dopamine response so you arenít rewarded for each drink in your brain. Truly a life saver for the over the edge drinkers.

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