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    Glad to see someone still does their own research..Nice

    Yes,It's 14 days..I mainly posted that to get people to actually look..I have always been very conservative with doses..With a new compound,start low and see what can be gained without tons of sides..Again I disagree with Monstro..When ever I topped 150mgs of Tren E or Hex,the sides just weren't worth it for me..Remember with Tren more doesn't=better..Plus 14 days is a long time to deal with un-wanted sides..and that ever elusive Sweet Spot of Test to Tren mix..

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    Iíve ran all 3 and hex did give me less sides personally, low mg tren is the way to go imo. You guys crack me up in here trolling lmao

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    Just my opinion and experience from using different esters of all sorts of compounds over the years. Id have to say the Ester difference is water weight held with different ways/times the hormones are released is what makes it "feel" different. Ive used long Ester cut blends before vs short Ester cut blends ive gotta say the short Ester made me feel leaner,harder,aggressive the long Ester made me feel bigger,fuller,more level but could be just the time it's built up/released in my system. Same with npp vs deca I hold way less bloat with npp I feel npp is superior since I take less mg,it hits quicker,less sides for me. Ive always been a short Ester guy preferably I like that "feel" same as with if you'd take tne 5x wk with some strong orals your gonna see/feel a difference vs just a reg ol testE,deca,dbol cycle just me tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGM View Post
    Iíve ran all 3 and hex did give me less sides personally, low mg tren is the way to go imo. You guys crack me up in here trolling lmao
    So I had to dig around a bit in my saved notes. Tren hex has a active tren ratio of .6578 soooo. If heís taking 100mg per week heís only getting 65mgs of tren per week.


    Thatís definitely a low dose tren cycle.

    Iím glad that the op is not getting any sides at that amount. If he was I would suggest Anavar @5mg/day or maybe 50mg a week of primo. If thatís to much maybe 10mg of proviron per day....

    Seriously tho, tren is a compound that doesnít have a clinical or therapeutic dose. So if the side are to much maybe stay away from it and pick a milder compound. Itís definitely not for everyone.

    IMHO

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    anything less than a gram of tren might as well be used as chain lube... pussies the lot of yah
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenixCon2.0 View Post
    So I had to dig around a bit in my saved notes. Tren hex has a active tren ratio of .6578 soooo. If heís taking 100mg per week heís only getting 65mgs of tren per week.


    Thatís definitely a low dose tren cycle.

    Iím glad that the op is not getting any sides at that amount. If he was I would suggest Anavar @5mg/day or maybe 50mg a week of primo. If thatís to much maybe 10mg of proviron per day....

    Seriously tho, tren is a compound that doesnít have a clinical or therapeutic dose. So if the side are to much maybe stay away from it and pick a milder compound. Itís definitely not for everyone.

    IMHO
    yea im on 500mg pw primo and 50mg of anavar pd with 300mg test, but its been 3 weeks now and I got the the restless sleep and a little bit of ibs the last two nights and one night at the start, that is it so far

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    For me if a low dose can yield good results..run with it..
    300 of Tren anything would just kill me..I have ran a gr of Test...Once..just to see..I only ran it for a couple of wks,then backed it back down..and all I really noticed was really oily skin..

    But I don't ever see myself running it again that high..too much risk at my age now..and doubting I'll ever pop that top on that bottle of Tren E...

    Thinking of giving it away actually...You should know who's it is..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MustardTiger View Post
    yea im on 500mg pw primo and 50mg of anavar pd with 300mg test, but its been 3 weeks now and I got the the restless sleep and a little bit of ibs the last two nights and one night at the start, that is it so far
    Thatís a solid cycle. Is this with the low dose hex?

    What are you taking as ancillaries and supplements? Supplementing cardarine and T3 while running tren does wonders for me when I run tren. I consider them staples on cycles of tren. I donít think they will help with ibs but I donít get a lot of the other tren sides when I run them concurrent. I also run low dose cialis but I do that for the prostrate and pumps.

    In all honesty and I donít think itís ibs but I havenít had a solid shit, you know like a brick, since I donít know when. Itís the consistency of baby poo lol, always. Doesnít bother me a bit. I almost prefer it that way.

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    That got dark...quick

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenixCon2.0 View Post
    Thatís a solid cycle. Is this with the low dose hex?

    What are you taking as ancillaries and supplements? Supplementing cardarine and T3 while running tren does wonders for me when I run tren. I consider them staples on cycles of tren. I donít think they will help with ibs but I donít get a lot of the other tren sides when I run them concurrent. I also run low dose cialis but I do that for the prostrate and pumps.

    In all honesty and I donít think itís ibs but I havenít had a solid shit, you know like a brick, since I donít know when. Itís the consistency of baby poo lol, always. Doesnít bother me a bit. I almost prefer it that way.
    Yes that is the cycle I am doing with tren hex. I am also taking caber 0.25mg twice a week cause I am prone to prolactin issues from deca/npp and even test sometimes. Yes I take cialus, that is all I am taking no AI or anything. I am not sure why I would take cardarine and t3, I am a powerlifter so what I am doing this for is strength purely, not to get lean (I am already very low bodyfat anyway), and not to really bulk cause I need to stay within my weight class but I do got a buffer to grow into right now.

    For me to call it IBS probably makes it sound worse than it is, basically its like I get a sick acidic feeling in my stomach sometimes at night, that is it.

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    You speak of ibs symptoms let me throw some ideas out there. My dad had gastric bypass surgery done a few yrs ago they went in repiped he's insides,sowed his stomach half the size,took his pancreas out, some other over the top stuff they quit doing today's world. So he lost 100pds+ in no time but was starving all the time fixed his diabetes etc... the downside he didn't know when he was gonna fart it just leaked out as a gas I guess, you'd be rolling down the road then just mustard gas from nowhere! He ended up figuring out mths later it was the sugar in the food causing it. He has to eat a semi clean diet now with no sugar and very low sodium to keep him from leaking the gas. I know another guy who can't have any sodium at all 0 zilch fuckn tasteless blan life now.

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    I'm battling some odd stomach problems..had more test but no proper diag yet...
    Have to think it's what we are eating,all the crap they are putting in the food and crops..my acid reflux is no joke..even with meds it still flares 2x a month..and it has to run it's course..I have gone to a respected specialists in Greenville..I am sure they will figure it out..but that stuff is scary..Two months age I was on the toilet for 3+ hrs.. totally covered in sweat and passed out 3 times..That ain't right..

    Part of the problem was me...just writing it off...the other was shitty Dr.s in the Asheville area..So if you're in a car driving and you feel sick.. don't stop in Asheville NC..drive to Greenville..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MustardTiger View Post
    Yes that is the cycle I am doing with tren hex. I am also taking caber 0.25mg twice a week cause I am prone to prolactin issues from deca/npp and even test sometimes. Yes I take cialus, that is all I am taking no AI or anything. I am not sure why I would take cardarine and t3, I am a powerlifter so what I am doing this for is strength purely, not to get lean (I am already very low bodyfat anyway), and not to really bulk cause I need to stay within my weight class but I do got a buffer to grow into right now.

    For me to call it IBS probably makes it sound worse than it is, basically its like I get a sick acidic feeling in my stomach sometimes at night, that is it.
    Yea my bad bro. I always assume people research the compounds they are using.

    Now that I know your a powerlifter Iíll try to keep it simple.

    So a relationship exist between tren, your TRH levels and prolactin. TRH stimulates, by way the hypothalamus, the production or synthesis of TSH by way of pituitary. TSH (thyrotropin) in turn stimulates the production or synthesis of thyroid hormone T4 which converts to T3 (Iím leaving out T1andT2). Also we have a negative feedback loop which exist between T4 and TRH. Meaning if the body has low levels of T4 it stimulates TRH.

    It already has been established that in humans TRH is also capable of stimulating the release of prolactin. In hypothyroid patients there is often an elevation of TRH and prolactin due to diminished levels of T4. Galactorrhea often presents as a symptom of hypothyroidism

    The following studies are with sheep.

    In sheep introduction of TrenA caused a 45% drop in T4 which as explained will cause a negative feed back loop. Which will cause a production ramp up of TRH causing a spike of prolactin. (This didnít happen in the sheep but thatís because unlike humans, sheep production of prolactin is independent of TRH)

    I can personally attest to a lowering of T4 levels and a increase of TRH in my bloodwork although I wouldnít say 45%. As with all this stuff itís user and dose dependent. Bloodwork is your crystal ball.

    So by deduction, if tren drops T4 levels, supplement so you avoid spikes in prolactin.

    If youíre worried about catabolism of T3 which I wouldnít be if your on Gear while using... take T4.

    Side note lack of overall T4/T3 levels cause side effects like hot flashes (think about night sweats) and fatigue and mood swings..... any of these sound familiar bro?!?

    Letís move on the Cardarine. Cardarine has a positive effect on cardio, blood pressure and liver function. Which I wonít go into but Iíll just let you know that all these attribute to the sides of tren.

    So I understand youíre a powerlifter, but diet not drugs decide if you loose muscle mass while on gear. Nutrient partitioning will only serve you better for your goals, not worse.

    Maybe with proper supplementation you can increase your dose, while lowering those dreaded tren sides.

    Or just keep doing it your way with low dose tren and caber....

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    Quote Originally Posted by weazel View Post
    You speak of ibs symptoms let me throw some ideas out there. My dad had gastric bypass surgery done a few yrs ago they went in repiped he's insides,sowed his stomach half the size,took his pancreas out, some other over the top stuff they quit doing today's world. So he lost 100pds+ in no time but was starving all the time fixed his diabetes etc... the downside he didn't know when he was gonna fart it just leaked out as a gas I guess, you'd be rolling down the road then just mustard gas from nowhere! He ended up figuring out mths later it was the sugar in the food causing it. He has to eat a semi clean diet now with no sugar and very low sodium to keep him from leaking the gas. I know another guy who can't have any sodium at all 0 zilch fuckn tasteless blan life now.


    well I mean the only thing I changed was adding tren so that tells me right there its probably the tren, also had this feeling before only once and it happened to be the only other time in my life that I also started taking tren, also its a common side effect from tren

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